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Borjis
HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 1, 2007 at 9:03:55 pm


Well, finally upgraded here today.

And much to my disappointment, The Pro-res codec does not work in HD on the G5 Quad machine for capture.

It drops frames and fails within 4 seconds on my setup here.

Thanks for the forewarning apple!

Just venting...I realize a new mac pro is in order but its a damned disappointemnt that the Quad Core couldn't at least handle it.



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Russell Lasson
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 1, 2007 at 9:12:59 pm

It sounds like the only way around this will be the AJA IO HD, which takes the load off of the CPU and puts it onto internal processors. Though it's possible that you still might need Intel processors. Anyone find a data sheet on that?

-Russ


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Lee Berger
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 1, 2007 at 9:31:56 pm

What type of media drives are you using?

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walter biscardi
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 1, 2007 at 9:45:17 pm

[Lee Berger] "
What type of media drives are you using?"


That actually doesn't play into the equation with ProRes, that's a CPU thing. Yes you want fast drives, but even Fibre Channel with the G5 Quad would most likely not work.

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Lee Berger
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 1, 2007 at 11:01:00 pm

Bummer.

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gary adcock
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 1, 2007 at 10:27:01 pm

[Lee Berger] "What type of media drives are you using? "


that has nothing to do with it ( for once it is not a drive issue)

You need an Intel machine running FCS2 to be able to encode HD files into ProRes
It is a CPU issue and not my normal mantra "if it's dropping frames it must be the storage " speech.

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Borjis
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 1, 2007 at 10:35:29 pm

[Lee Berger] "What type of media drives are you using?"

Ciprico 4210 disk array rated for up to HD 4:4:4 RGB HDCAM-SR or VIPER Filmstream.

More than adequate. :)




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David Roth Weiss
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 1, 2007 at 10:35:22 pm

[Borjis] "The Pro-res codec does not work in HD on the G5 Quad machine for capture.

It drops frames and fails within 4 seconds on my setup here."


Did you try the capture via SDI in or component in?

The reason I ask is that I'm currently reading the Apple white paper on ProRes 422, and it does seem to imply that video captured via an SDI input may require fewer and less complex computations. If that's true, then its possible going SDI might enable one to capture ProRes on the non-Intel lower-end MACs. In any case, its worth a shot...

David



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Borjis
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 1, 2007 at 10:37:02 pm


Interesting that David.

I was capturing over component from my JVC HDV Deck.

I don't have any SDI HD capable decks yet.





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David Roth Weiss
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 1, 2007 at 10:39:43 pm

Yep, we all need somebody to test that pronto. Wish I had an HD deck here. Anybody???

David Roth Weiss
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MTrubac
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 2, 2007 at 4:20:50 am

Why not capture native HDV, edit, and then render to ProRes. From what I understand you get the same benefit, and save some drive space in the process. I haven't been able to install Studio 2 yet (the shiny new box is sitting here on my desk), but this is the first thing I plan to try when I get things installed.

I currently have a Dual 2.7 G5 -- planning to add an Octo MacPro this fall -- or maybe by fall.. whatever comes after octo... it is getting high than I can count :-) 16 Cores anybody?


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gary adcock
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 1, 2007 at 11:15:27 pm

[David Roth Weiss] "Did you try the capture via SDI in or component in? "


David
just tested it with a Kona LHe on a 3Ghz dual and see no difference with the Prores encode.

Same source, component vs HDSDI. No difference on the my Leader scopes either.

My guess that is a error in the manual is written since technically there is no analog HD capture on Pro Decks. They say HDCAM is a 4:2:2 codec in the Color setup manual too.




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David Roth Weiss
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 1, 2007 at 11:24:19 pm

Oh, too bad... it sounded so very plausable.

Glad you tested it though Gary.

Now we can all go back to moping...



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Los Angeles


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JR-Links
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 2, 2007 at 12:06:03 am

Apple has posted this info today:

"Final Cut Pro 6: HD ProRes 422 capture requires Mac Pro"

more here:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=305582



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walter biscardi
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 2, 2007 at 12:28:52 am

[JR-Links] "
"Final Cut Pro 6: HD ProRes 422 capture requires Mac Pro""


should have been posted on day 1, but better late than never.

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Chi-Ho Lee
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 2, 2007 at 1:23:26 am

But you can still use a G5 to transcode to ProRes right? I know it's double the time of real time capture but for people on the cheap, that's a viable solution right?

CHL

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Borjis
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 2, 2007 at 3:46:48 am

[Chi-Ho Lee] "But you can still use a G5 to transcode to ProRes right? I know it's double the time of real time capture but for people on the cheap, that's a viable solution right?"

Yeah that sounds viable, it just can't do it on the fly.

Nice of apple to let us know AFTER the fact... GGGRRR.



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David Roth Weiss
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 2, 2007 at 4:09:19 am

[Borjis] "Nice of apple to let us know AFTER the fact... GGGRRR."

Yes, it occured to me that perhaps this should have been noted in bold letters somewhere in all the pre-ship documentation.

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Shane Ross
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 2, 2007 at 5:18:22 am

[David Roth Weiss] "[Borjis] "Nice of apple to let us know AFTER the fact... GGGRRR."

Yes, it occured to me that perhaps this should have been noted in bold letters somewhere in all the pre-ship documentation."


And this would have changed things....how? You'd still have bought Studio 2. You STILL not be able to capture ProRes with a non-intel.

OH...but you'd know instead of trying and trying with no success. I get ya.

Well, to tell you my thought...I didn't think Apple really thought about testing or mentioning that UNTIL everyone tried. Then they went..."oh, yeah. We'd better say something about that."

I myself, working with DVCPRO HD, would rather capture at DVCPRO HD resolution (much lower data rate) then transcode to the 10-bit proRes 422 for color grading...then output. I have no need to capture it on the fly.



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Shane Ross
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 2, 2007 at 5:18:57 am

[David Roth Weiss] "[Borjis] "Nice of apple to let us know AFTER the fact... GGGRRR."

Yes, it occured to me that perhaps this should have been noted in bold letters somewhere in all the pre-ship documentation."


And this would have changed things....how? You'd still have bought Studio 2. You STILL not be able to capture ProRes with a non-intel.

OH...but you'd know instead of trying and trying with no success. I get ya.

Well, to tell you my thought...I didn't think Apple really thought about testing or mentioning that UNTIL everyone tried. Then they went..."oh, yeah. We'd better say something about that."

I myself, working with DVCPRO HD, would rather capture at DVCPRO HD resolution (much lower data rate) then transcode to the 10-bit proRes 422 for color grading...then output. I have no need to capture it on the fly.



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mpe
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
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on Jun 2, 2007 at 3:01:28 pm

[Shane Ross] "
And this would have changed things....how? You'd still have bought Studio 2. You STILL not be able to capture ProRes with a non-intel."



It is a bait and switch. It is rather silly to go through a dog and pony show about the *technical* greatness of a codec and yet fail to mention that the *technical* requirements for it. There is also the fact that probably most people buying the product DO NOT have a Intel based G5 :/

Obviously it mattered to Apple that people knows ProRes is great but only useable with Intel Macs.

Oh well... time to get the Io HD.


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walter biscardi
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 2, 2007 at 4:10:29 pm

[Chi-Ho Lee] "
But you can still use a G5 to transcode to ProRes right? I know it's double the time of real time capture but for people on the cheap, that's a viable solution right?"


Sure and why not capture native but then edit in a ProRes timeline to make your graphics and filters cleaner on final render? Makes sense to me.

We're going to test the workflow I described above and see how it works and I'm fully expecting that our DVCPro HD projects will have cleaner graphics and color grading if we edit in a ProRes timeline on the G5's.

So you can't capture to ProRes on a G5, nothing that says you can't work with it on a G5.

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Michael Belanger
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 2, 2007 at 3:59:13 am

Can we assume that once footage has been successfully digitized with Pro Rez that there is no further requirement to used a Mac Pro? Is the strain on the CPU consistent throughout the usage of this codec or only during digitizing?>

Mike B


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David Roth Weiss
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 2, 2007 at 4:18:40 am

[Michael Belanger] "Is the strain on the CPU consistent throughout the usage of this codec or only during digitizing?>"

Only during digitzing. I've done all kinds of tinkering with conversions to ProRes including HD HQ, and its actually quite easily dealt with and rendered quickly on just a G5 dual 23.ghz machine.

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Sean ONeil
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 2, 2007 at 5:24:35 pm

[Michael Belanger] "
Can we assume that once footage has been successfully digitized with Pro Rez that there is no further requirement to used a Mac Pro? Is the strain on the CPU consistent throughout the usage of this codec or only during digitizing?"


No. Decoding is also pretty hard on the CPU. Not as bad as digitizing, but I wouldn't count on Edit To Tape with HD ProRes using a non-Intel Mac.

Sean


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Michael Belanger
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 3, 2007 at 3:05:26 pm

That is quite a remarkable turn of events. Essentially Apple is forcing people's hands to upgrade, in some cases just cross grade, to a new chip set. I find it quite hard to believe that a quad G5 doesn't have enough muscle to do a capture to Pro Rez and a Dual proc Mac Intel will be able to do this. Sounds like they have written something into the code.
Does this mean that the lowest end Mac Pro will achieve what the highest end G5 cannot.
That seems incredulous to me. Apple must resolve this somehow . No one is asking them to make a G4 single processor work miracles but when a quad G5 cannot do this capture something is wrong indeed.

Mike B
Dandelion Editing
Toronto Canada



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walter biscardi
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 3, 2007 at 3:16:35 pm

[Michael Belanger] "I find it quite hard to believe that a quad G5 doesn't have enough muscle to do a capture to Pro Rez and a Dual proc Mac Intel"

There's no such thing as a Dual Mac Pro. They're all Quad processor machines minimum.



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Gregory Dillard
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 3, 2007 at 4:08:20 pm

Walter,
thank you for your response to me on a previous post regarding my KONA LHe and XL H1, but i must say (for whatever it's worth), that this is really not fair (APPLE) that a Quad Core G5 can't handle ProRes and correct me if i am wrong, but the requirement information was recently given to us after so many of us have made these purchases assuming (never assume) that we would be okay with our Quad Core G5's and the new Final Cut Studio 2. After already plunking down$600.98 for the AJA KL Box for the LH and the KONA LH Box cable kit plus $1644 for the KONA LHe, which totals out to $2,244.98 i basically have to spend another possible $4,000 on a 8 core machine to use PRO RES when my Quad Core G5 can't handle it?
Where is the protection from APPLE in this in regards to saying that their LOYAL customers have invested A TON of money into our products.....oh hell, let's just bend them over again and add sand for texture!
This isn't right, and this is my opinion only, but being a business owner i do understand that APPLE is in the business of making money so i guess that we have to keep up or hit the road. Does anyone else out there feel the same way? By the way, my $4,000 figure was incorrect as i have to add another $3,495 in there for the AJA i/O HD when it comes out.


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walter biscardi
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 3, 2007 at 5:07:09 pm

[Gregory Dillard] "By the way, my $4,000 figure was incorrect as i have to add another $3,495 in there for the AJA i/O HD when it comes out."

Or you can purchase a Mac Pro and let it do the conversion.

The thing about ProRes is that it is NOT a must to do production. It's just another option. Everyone on these forums are making it sound like ProRes was the ONLY reason for the upgrade. If it was, then ask Apple for a refund.

I'm just glad to have multiformat playback in a single timeline. THAT was a basic function that should have already been in Final Cut Pro which I used to be able to do with a CineWave 4 years ago.

Personally I'm not concerned about the ProRes issue. We have two G5's and one Mac Pro so the Mac Pro will have the option of ProRes and the G5's won't. We haven't used ProRes for the past 5 years and I don't really see the need to jump right to that codec just because it's the latest thing. We've delivered over 50 HD Broadcast masters using DVCPro HD on G5's and the Mac Pro so that codec is very clean.

ProRes is just another option. But it's not the only reason to purchase FCS 2.

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Sean ONeil
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 3, 2007 at 5:33:30 pm

I have to relate to the people who are upset. When I was at NAB, I specifically asked two people at the Apple booth if a G5 was good enough for ProRes and mixed formats. The answer I got was "I'm sure it will be fine". I looked on the hardware requirements page and as everyone knows there were no specific requirements for ProRes.

ProRes is a big deal to me. For almost 2 years we used PhotoJPEG for everything. ProRes is a significant upgrade in quality. It's YUV, it's 10-bit, and it's closer to being lossless. And I don't have to hack Final Cut in order to get RT effects with it.

Nobody's stopping me from asking for a refund. And of course I'm not. But it was a sleazy thing to do IMO. And I can't help but wonder if ProRes could have been optimized to work well on a PowerPC chip. Its certainly possible they could have made this a non-issue.

Sean


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walter biscardi
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 3, 2007 at 5:49:38 pm

[Sean ONeil] "Nobody's stopping me from asking for a refund. And of course I'm not. But it was a sleazy thing to do IMO."

I wouldn't call it sleazy but it certainly was a huge mistake by Apple not to be upfront about the G5 limitation of the ProRes codec. Just goes back to what we've been saying all along, Apple is a hardware company first, the software is there to sell new hardware.

But I do agree with you Sean, this should have been on the specs page since day one.

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Tim Wilson
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 3, 2007 at 6:04:58 pm

[Sean ONeil] "I specifically asked two people at the Apple booth if a G5 was good enough for ProRes and mixed formats. The answer I got was "I'm sure it will be fine"."

No disrespect to Apple intended -- quite the contrary. And no disrespect to you for doing what you SHOULD do, which is to NOT make assumptions, but ASK. Way to go.

But my experience from booths as a developer is that not everybody is qualified to answer every question. I don't want to make it sound like folks from tech support or even engineers (there's often a TON of them in booths -- but they're usually there to ASK questions of customers, more than answer them) don't know what they're talking about...but there can be a pretty big gap between a well-intended, heartfelt educated guess and what happens when the product ships.

[Sean ONeil] "I can't help but wonder if ProRes could have been optimized to work well on a PowerPC chip."

I'm going to guess that the answer is "no." Or maybe some combination of "not without pulling lots of people from other critical projects" and "not and ship this year" and similar concerns.

But I suspect probably "no." If Apple could have done everything they wanted to on PowerPC chips, they'd likely still be there.

Here's the thing. Every development effort aims to bring as many people as possible into the tent. More potential customers means more potential money.

Anybody here think Apple's into leaving money on the table?

But they have to be realistic about what's possible. They have to in fact be willing to leave money on the table to do the right thing for the product's long term growth.

BTW, we've seen Apple do this again and again, including killing off the MUCH higher-selling Apple II, to enrich Mac's future. Killing off clones to ensure quality development. Cutting qual on OS support for older but otherwise capable hardware. So on. In the scheme of things, this one's pretty minor.

Still sux though.


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Gregory Dillard
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 3, 2007 at 5:34:07 pm

Thank you Walter. I know that the Canon XL H1 doesn't embed the audio through it's HD-SDI, but i know that the solution is the Convergent Design piece. We will purchase that as well, but if i am only looking for video can't i just use an uncompressed codec besides the PRO RES and still capture it via the KONA LHe without worrying about dropped frames? We have the XSERVE RAID and it's connected via a fibre channel card. Not to sound redundant, but i will have a better image capturing via the HD- SDI into one of the HD formats as opposed to firewire which is HDV correct?


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walter biscardi
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 3, 2007 at 5:45:58 pm

[Gregory Dillard] "Thank you Walter. I know that the Canon XL H1 doesn't embed the audio through it's HD-SDI, but i know that the solution is the Convergent Design piece."

Does your camera have Component output? You can go Component right into your LHe.

[Gregory Dillard] "We will purchase that as well, but if i am only looking for video can't i just use an uncompressed codec besides the PRO RES and still capture it via the KONA LHe without worrying about dropped frames? We have the XSERVE RAID and it's connected via a fibre channel card."

With that setup, Uncompressed should be just fine. We actually capture all our HDV material to the DVCPro HD codec and edit that way. Have delivered three broadcast documentary episodes posted that way.

[Gregory Dillard] "Not to sound redundant, but i will have a better image capturing via the HD- SDI into one of the HD formats as opposed to firewire which is HDV correct?"

Technically, the image quality will be identical since you can't "add" any quality to the original HDV image. Uncompressed just gives you better quality when you color correct and add graphics. Like I said, we just convert to DVCPro HD which has worked brilliantly on our end.

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Tim Wilson
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 3, 2007 at 5:44:32 pm

Developers are always trying to push subsystems to the absolute limit. As processors, drives, graphics cards etc all get beefier, so do the things you can do with them.

FWIW, Avid created a $10,000 daughtercard 3 years ago, because that was the only way you could capture DNxHD in real time. Now you can capture ProRes in RT....awesome. But you have to have a computer that can count fast enough.

[walter biscardi] "ProRes is just another option. But it's not the only reason to purchase FCS 2."

We're going to have muuuuuuch more on all this in this week's COW newsletter. (I hope you saw Part 1 of our ProRes coverage this past week.) As a sneak preview, I'll point you to one of the best system specs pages I've ever seen.

I LOVE that it gives the basic spec to run the Studio, which actually goes down to a G4.

MacBook, no problem. Don't even need a Pro.

But for ProRes? No way. Gotta have an Intel Xeon, which means a multiprocessor. Period.

So yeah, it's easy to say Apple just wants to sell computers, but I think having to buy a new computer is just a side effect. It comes from scientists who always want to do more today than they could yesterday.

Which is exactly what we WANT them do. :-)

The hottest features are always going to need the heaviest iron.



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gary adcock
Re: HD Pro Res
on Jun 3, 2007 at 9:31:15 pm

[Tim Wilson] "The hottest features are always going to need the heaviest iron. "

here, here tim,

if you are a pro it should not be an issue to step up with the latest hardware, like Walter, my main 2 machines are replaced yearly, the older models are moved down to lesser tasks.

When you make your living with it, it needs to be of high quality and well maintained, we are not talking about $60K lenses or $120K tape decks, we are talking about a $4000.00 computer.

Not quite as much as my office phone bill last year.

it is all about perspective.

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Gregory Dillard
Re: HD Pro Res
on Jun 3, 2007 at 9:52:36 pm

Gary,
point well taken and i please don't take this in a derogatory matter. Paying the price for a new machine and an AJA i/O HD isn't the problem, it's just i should have been better prepared to know all of this upfront especially when this is your occupation and you allocate a certain amount of your budget for the purchase of new equipment. I just have to purchase an 8 Core Mac that's all.


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walter biscardi
Re: HD Pro Res
on Jun 3, 2007 at 10:54:23 pm

[Gregory Dillard] "Paying the price for a new machine and an AJA i/O HD isn't the problem,"

You don't have to. I already explained that your Kona LHe will work with a Mac Pro which will handle the ProRes conversion. You need the Mac Pro with the Kona OR the Io HD. Not both.

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Gregory Dillard
Re: HD Pro Res
on Jun 3, 2007 at 11:27:11 pm

Thank you Walter. The reason i mentioned an 8 core is that i will use the i/O HD in the field to shoot and capture with our Canon XL H1 and bring in the footage via the i/O HD and a firewire 800 drive. Once i get it into post i would transfer the footage from my firewire drive to our XSERVE RAID and edit using the PRO RES HQ codec on the 8 core Mac Pro as i cannot do this on the Quad core G5 correct? Thank you again for all of your knowledge.


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David Roth Weiss
Re: HD Pro Res
on Jun 3, 2007 at 11:38:33 pm

[Gregory Dillard] "i cannot do this on the Quad core G5 correct?"

You most certainly can edit ProRes 422, you just can't capture it on a non-Intel...

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Chi-Ho Lee
Re: HD Pro Res *NM*
on Jun 3, 2007 at 11:40:42 pm



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gary adcock
Re: HD Pro Res
on Jun 4, 2007 at 1:38:29 pm

[Gregory Dillard] "oint well taken and i please don't take this in a derogatory matter."

hey greg, since you did not take my snotty comment about the phone bill that way I think were are Ok.


[Gregory Dillard] "t's just i should have been better prepared to know all of this upfront especially when this is your occupation and you allocate a certain amount of your budget for the purchase of new equipment."

I do not disagree, but everyone should have been prepared for a hardware upgrade since it has been 2 years since the last real .0 upgrade came out, and we had to have new hardware to get the most out of 5.1 ALL of the people that had to get intel machines for 5.1 are safe with V6,

Apple was cautious on the release about what would work, but they make money on the hardware.
iTunes is free but the player costs money, and if you want the coolest new feature you have to buy a new toy. Why should they treat any of us differently than they treat their new customer base.



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Michael Belanger
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 4, 2007 at 1:14:42 am

Obviously I have not kept track of the Mac Pros configs of late . However, the point is that a Quad G5 should not be considered to be underpowered by a Quad Intel . It is the fact that Apple has written the code to better utilize the Intel chip over the PPC chip. Quite clearly alot of us do upgrade yearly but a quad G5 in many instances can perform as admirably or better in some respects, check barefeats, than some of the MacPros. While you may try to down play the improtance of Pro Rez it was clearly used as a marketing tool at NAB, those of us there saw them tout the greatness of Pro Rez having gone down 10 generations and be clearly as good the first generation (although it was not clearly explained how they defined 10 generatons) The advantage of Pro Rez is that you won't need superfast drives to do high quality HD capture and edit. The part they neglected to mention was that you needed new chipsets to do this. It is on the edge of misleading the public. This should have been clearly pointed out. I guess there will be alot of G5 trade ins over the next few months. Curious if my MacBook Pro if used in conjuction with the new AJA portable unit unveiled at NAB would capture PRO Rez. That would make be a treat.

As for the mutli codecs on the same timeline, that certainly is a help , but also may be best utilized by the purchase of a Mac Pro. I guess I will find out this week upon installation.
From my experience with the Cinewave though I never did find this a flawless function .
I often had issues with this function on the cinewave systems I used. Dissolves were often clunky, colour shifts and the like. Also issues with the qt and os and drivers needing to be in the correct alignment, not alot of room for error on that system, and that was only standard def, can't imagine what it was like with HD.
Nonetheless at least Apple has released the new software at a great price and threw in Color, that to me is the biggest thing they did to make the software a killer app.

Mike B


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Gregory Dillard
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 4, 2007 at 1:28:25 am

guess what this is called....marketing and advertising! Think about it. For example, several wines that are all in the $15 category post up point of sale material that says "This chardonnay is the #1 wine under $15." True, but they didn't tell you that it the statisitics for one were on women under a certain height, weight, etc.,.... you get the picture.


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walter biscardi
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 4, 2007 at 1:30:42 am

[Gregory Dillard] "For example, several wines that are all in the $15 category post up point of sale material that says "This chardonnay is the #1 wine under $15." True, but they didn't tell you that it the statisitics for one were on women under a certain height, weight, etc.,.... you get the picture."

In Vegas the Flamingo advertises George Wallace as the "Best 10pm Show!" and has been doing so for all four years I've been out there. Makes you wonder just how many shows actually start at 10pm............

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John Heagy
Re: HD Pro Res doesn't work on G5 Quad.
on Jun 4, 2007 at 5:52:38 pm

Hey Walter, can you give us the link to MacPro requirements you found. I can't find it on Apple's site.

Thanks
John Heagy


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