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Todd Beabout
XRaid will NOT work with a Quad G5???
on Nov 22, 2005 at 9:00:31 pm

We were just about to buy a new Quad 2.5 G5 to update our Dual 2.0, when I was informed by my reseller that the XRaid that I am currently using will not be able to be connected to the Quad at this time due to a PCI-X vs. PCI-Express slot issue. Do any of you out there have an XRaid hooked up to a Quad? It seems bizarre to me that this would be an issue, but it seems Apple is not shipping a fibre card to connect these 2 devices yet...

Anyone know anything?

-Todd Beabout
Vazda Studios


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Walter Biscardi
Re: XRaid will NOT work with a Quad G5???
on Nov 22, 2005 at 9:05:32 pm

That's the really big issue with the new Dual Core machines, everything that's out there now, at least from a hardware standpoint, doesn't work with them. You need to get all new cards for the machines.

I haven't heard of a Fibre Channel card yet for the newer machines. I've actually recommended to several clients they purchase the PCI-X Dual 2.7 now and wait on Dual Core until next year when the Intels come out.

There's no guarantee that the PCIe products you purchase today for the Dual Cores will work in next year's Intel machines. I'd just as soon wait these machines out and stick with something that is very reliable right now and jump on the Intel machines next year.

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Walter Biscardi
Re: XRaid will NOT work with a Quad G5???
on Nov 22, 2005 at 9:16:24 pm

[Walter Biscardi] "I haven't heard of a Fibre Channel card yet for the newer machines."


Actually, I just went to Apple's online store, selected the Quad Dual Core machine and they do offer a PCI Express Fibre Channel card for $599. So the card is out there, your reseller may not know about it.

Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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Todd Beabout
Re: XRaid will NOT work with a Quad G5???
on Nov 22, 2005 at 9:44:05 pm

Yeah, I saw that too and told him. The website says that they ship in "about 2 weeks", but he said that they aren't actualy shipping any of them. Unfortunately it seems that the dual 2.7 is not available either, at least from their website. Also, ALL the G5's listed on the apple website now only have the PCIe slots, so anyone buying a new G5 will have the same problem.

I can't really believe this. Very wierd.

-Todd Beabout
Vazda Studios


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Walter Biscardi
Re: XRaid will NOT work with a Quad G5???
on Nov 22, 2005 at 9:49:39 pm

[Todd Beabout] "Also, ALL the G5's listed on the apple website now only have the PCIe slots, so anyone buying a new G5 will have the same problem."


All the Dual Core machines, yes. This topic was widely discussed on this forum when the machines were first announced.

The Dual 2.7 is still a PCI-X machine.

Walter Biscardi, Jr.
http://www.biscardicreative.com

"The Rough Cut," an original short film premiering December 7th in full High Definition in Atlanta.
rsvp@biscardicreative.com to reserve seats.
http://www.theroughcutmovie.com

Now editing "Good Eats" in HD for the Food Network

"I reject your reality and substitute my own!" - Adam Savage, Mythbusters


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gary adcock
Re: XRaid will NOT work with a Quad G5???
on Nov 23, 2005 at 1:02:41 am


The apple PCIe fibre card is at least 2 weeks out to the general public, I was told the atto PCIe card should start shipping on monday

Gary Adcock
Studio37
HD and Film Consultation
Chicago, IL USA


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Walter Biscardi
Re: XRaid will NOT work with a Quad G5???
on Nov 23, 2005 at 1:06:43 am

[gary adcock] "The apple PCIe fibre card is at least 2 weeks out to the general public,"


Only Apple could release a new computer and not even have the hardware ready to run their own products.

Walter Biscardi, Jr.
http://www.biscardicreative.com

"The Rough Cut," an original short film premiering December 7th in full High Definition in Atlanta.
rsvp@biscardicreative.com to reserve seats.
http://www.theroughcutmovie.com

Now editing "Good Eats" in HD for the Food Network

"I reject your reality and substitute my own!" - Adam Savage, Mythbusters


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frankpledge
Re: XRaid will NOT work with a Quad G5???
on Nov 23, 2005 at 2:53:05 pm

i would guess this may be a foreshadow of things to come with the intel machines and 'legacy' issues. i totally 'get' the switch to pci-exress, but a legacy slot would have been useful. the thing is - the quads are made for us. for the editors, compositors, graphics people, etc - not the web surfers. we have the fibre cards, the capture cards etc - what we need is the speed. what a strange relationship Apple maintains with pro users: if you make money off the machine, you should always spend money at every turn for the machine.

i bought a decklink card that i use pretty much for monitoring only as i do 'offline' in SD. when i bought it i figured...hey i could use this thing forever...
fp


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Todd Beabout
Re: XRaid will NOT work with a Quad G5???
on Nov 23, 2005 at 3:34:42 pm

Where could I find one of these Dual 2.7 G5's? I guess I could check e-bay, but it doesn't seem that apple is selling them anymore. Also... I've been a bit confused regarding "Dual" and "Dual Core". According to the apple website:

http://www.apple.com/powermac/specs.html

It would appear that we have 2 "Dual" systems and one "Quad". Is the "Quad" the same as "Dual Core"? It also appears if you scroll down that all these new models have the PCIe slots.

Where could one purchase an "older" Dual 2.7?

Thanks for your help too!

-Todd Beabout
Vazda Studios


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Walter Biscardi
Re: XRaid will NOT work with a Quad G5???
on Nov 23, 2005 at 3:59:30 pm

[Todd Beabout] "Where could I find one of these Dual 2.7 G5's? I guess I could check e-bay, but it doesn't seem that apple is selling them anymore"


Yes, Apple is selling them. Go to the G5 page on the store, then look in the upper right of the page. There a link with "Need a PCI-X machine?" that's where the Dual 2.7 is hiding.

Walter Biscardi, Jr.
http://www.biscardicreative.com

"The Rough Cut," an original short film premiering December 7th in full High Definition in Atlanta.
rsvp@biscardicreative.com to reserve seats.
http://www.theroughcutmovie.com

Now editing "Good Eats" in HD for the Food Network

"I reject your reality and substitute my own!" - Adam Savage, Mythbusters


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Todd Beabout
Re: XRaid will NOT work with a Quad G5???
on Nov 23, 2005 at 4:02:48 pm

Awesome! Thanks Walter! I'll pass that along to my boss, although I may take your advice and just wait for the Intel chip... Wonder if they'll offer Quad Intel versions...

-Todd Beabout
Vazda Studios


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Walter Biscardi
Re: XRaid will NOT work with a Quad G5???
on Nov 23, 2005 at 4:02:08 pm

[Todd Beabout] "It would appear that we have 2 "Dual" systems and one "Quad". Is the "Quad" the same as "Dual Core"?"


They're all "Dual Core." that is what the processors are, Dual Core, that is, two processors on one chip if you will. So a "Dual" machine has one of these chips. The Quad has two of these chips.

Walter Biscardi, Jr.
http://www.biscardicreative.com

"The Rough Cut," an original short film premiering December 7th in full High Definition in Atlanta.
rsvp@biscardicreative.com to reserve seats.
http://www.theroughcutmovie.com

Now editing "Good Eats" in HD for the Food Network

"I reject your reality and substitute my own!" - Adam Savage, Mythbusters


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Neil Sadwelkar
PCI-X to PCI-E bridge and Old G5/2.7 dual NA
on Nov 23, 2005 at 5:22:20 pm

Although Apple is offering PCI-X machines at the store, I've just been told that is one were to really select this option all one gets is a regret letter. Since I'm not in an area that one can buy from the online store, I can't check for sure.

Also of interest to PCI-X card owners is a device to convert PCI-E to PCI-X so one can effectively use a PCI-X card in a PCI-E slot.

Look here ...
http://www.hardmac.com/news/2005-11-04/

Neil


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gregg brent
Re: PCI-X to PCI-E bridge and Old G5/2.7 dual NA
on Nov 28, 2005 at 8:03:06 pm

We just ordered the Quad here at work. We were working off 1.6 gig G5s and nobody wanted to wait for intel. We still have to wait 3-4 weeks to get it. We figured (and of course it's a guess) but by the time the same processing power from intel chips actually hits the shelves, at least a year will have gone by. And if we're spending 2500 bucks for a dual core just to keep us till intel, why not spend the 3500 and have it last probably a few years.

of course if it was my own money i'd wait :)


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