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Morten Marthinsen
Converted 5D footage flickers in FCP
on Dec 30, 2011 at 4:34:25 am

Hey all-
I really need some help on this. I bought the Canon 5D Mark II and filmed some stuff. Then converted the footage to Apple XDcam EX 1080i60 (35MB/s), 1980x1080, 29.97 fps and put it on a Apple Prores 422 HQ, Square Pixel Aspect Ratio, Field Dominance Upper, 29.97 fps sequence in FCP. The RAW or converted footage looks great in quicktime, but in Final Cut it becomes choppy and it flickers. Especially when i pan (the footage pans). Its not like its crazy bad, but your eye struggles to look at it for a long time, and the footage (the quality, crispiness) looks far from how it should be. Any suggestions or tips on this is greatly appreciated.


Thanks
Morten


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Shane Ross
Re: Converted 5D footage flickers in FCP
on Dec 30, 2011 at 5:56:10 am

You did the wrong thing. Don't convert to XDCAM...convert to ProRes.

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Colin McQuillan
Re: Converted 5D footage flickers in FCP
on Dec 30, 2011 at 6:31:14 am

[Morten Marthinsen] "converted the footage to Apple XDcam EX 1080i60 (35MB/s)"

convert straight to prores - no reason for xdcam. If you are using FCP7 download the eos plugin from Canon and use the Log and Transfer function to capture the footage from the cards or wherever you stored the files from the cards. Within the L&T interface window you can select which flavour of ProRes you want the footage converted to.

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Morten Marthinsen
Re: Converted 5D footage flickers in FCP
on Dec 30, 2011 at 2:54:38 pm

Hey
Thanks for the reply.
I convert it to xdcam because Apple Prores are usually much larger in size and xdcam basically gives you the same quality but less size.
I have been working on a show for Animal planet the last year where we did exactly the same thing and it worked fine. It should work fine, there is no reason why it should flicker.. Any other suggestions?
I will try and log and transfer the footage since i do have that plugin..

Thanks :)


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David Roth Weiss
Re: Converted 5D footage flickers in FCP
on Dec 30, 2011 at 4:51:41 pm

[Morten Marthinsen] "I convert it to xdcam because Apple Prores are usually much larger in size and xdcam basically gives you the same quality but less size."

They are two completely different critters Morten. XDCam may appear to your naked eyeballs to be of similar quality, but you would not say that if compared the two codecs scientifically. ProRes is a superior "hi-performance" codec. Among other things, it retains vastly more color information, and holds up much better through successive generations than XDCam, which is really a highly compressed acquisition format.

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Morten Marthinsen
Re: Converted 5D footage flickers in FCP
on Dec 30, 2011 at 4:57:41 pm

That is probably true, you seem to know much more than me on this, but it doesnt answer why the footage is flickering (stuttering) in FCP.
Do you have any idea why this happens?

Thanks


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David Roth Weiss
Re: Converted 5D footage flickers in FCP
on Dec 30, 2011 at 5:18:26 pm

[Morten Marthinsen] "you seem to know much more than me on this, but it doesnt answer why the footage is flickering (stuttering) in FCP.
Do you have any idea why this happens?"


Sure! Sorry I didn't see the original question and answer earlier. Your camera shoots progressive frames, yet you have transcoded the files to various interlaced formats.

You wrote: I bought the Canon 5D Mark II and filmed some stuff. Then converted the footage to Apple XDcam EX 1080i60 (35MB/s), 1980x1080, 29.97 fps and put it on a Apple Prores 422 HQ, Square Pixel Aspect Ratio, Field Dominance Upper, 29.97 fps sequence in FCP.

David Roth Weiss
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David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
http://www.drwfilms.com

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Morten Marthinsen
Re: Converted 5D footage flickers in FCP
on Dec 30, 2011 at 5:37:15 pm

Ok. So how should i go by fixing this problem? Obviously my footage cant be changed, so what settings should I convert it to so it will look better?

Thank you so much for your help


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Morten Marthinsen
Re: Converted 5D footage flickers in FCP
on Dec 30, 2011 at 5:42:41 pm

Ok. So how should i go by fixing this problem? Obviously my footage cant be changed, so what settings should I convert it to so it will look better?


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David Roth Weiss
Re: Converted 5D footage flickers in FCP
on Dec 30, 2011 at 5:57:35 pm

You need to transcode the original fmo your 5D to ProRes with "none" selected as the field dominance.

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David Weiss Productions, Inc.
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Morten Marthinsen
Re: Converted 5D footage flickers in FCP
on Dec 30, 2011 at 6:13:55 pm

I did do this and it still looks bad. In the FCP sequence i change from upper (odd) or none in the field dominance and it looks bad either way.
I have tried it on 2 different macbook pro┬┤s and both looks the same.


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Chris Tompkins
Re: Converted 5D footage flickers in FCP
on Dec 30, 2011 at 6:17:43 pm

Use the Canon plugin as suggested.
Return to the original card media, L&T the material in. Use Prores.
It will come in AS SHOT. Progressive.

Drop a clip onto a new, blank Sequence and let FCP match it for you.

Chris Tompkins
Video Atlanta LLC


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Morten Marthinsen
Re: Converted 5D footage flickers in FCP
on Dec 30, 2011 at 6:21:41 pm

I have done it like this but still looks the same.
Starting to wonder if its my canon that messes up the footage but hard to believe.
I shoot in 29.97 fps


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Chris Tompkins
Re: Converted 5D footage flickers in FCP
on Dec 30, 2011 at 6:26:54 pm

Have you watched Shane's "Tapeless Workflow" tutorial here on the cow?

Chris Tompkins
Video Atlanta LLC


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Morten Marthinsen
Re: Converted 5D footage flickers in FCP
on Dec 30, 2011 at 6:27:42 pm

No i havent. you have a link for it?
Thanks


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Shane Ross
Re: Converted 5D footage flickers in FCP
on Dec 30, 2011 at 7:03:23 pm

Tapeless Workflow for FCP 7 Tutorial

The converted footage you have now is a problem. Don't use it. Toss it. RE-TRANSFER to ProRes, or if you insist on XDCAM (still horrid idea), then use a non-interlaced option.

Shane
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Colin McQuillan
Re: Converted 5D footage flickers in FCP
on Dec 30, 2011 at 6:41:27 pm

Where is your media stored/playing back from?

Colin McQuillan
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Morten Marthinsen
Re: Converted 5D footage flickers in FCP
on Dec 30, 2011 at 6:42:46 pm

Either locally or on a 500GB drive..


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Colin McQuillan
Re: Converted 5D footage flickers in FCP
on Dec 30, 2011 at 7:21:15 pm

Internal laptop drive? could be your issue there.. You should have your ProRes footage on an external FW800 or eSata drive.

Colin McQuillan
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Morten Marthinsen
Re: Converted 5D footage flickers in FCP
on Dec 30, 2011 at 7:47:17 pm

It might be a problem, but i have seen the issue with flickering footage when having footage on an external drive and this is not like that.
You mainly see it when you pan..Your eye tires watching it..


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