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paul colin
fcp 8 - when can we expect it to be released?
on Jul 29, 2010 at 8:49:04 pm

I'm currently using fcp 6.06 and would like to update to fcp 7. However if fcp 8 will be released soon me thinks I probably should wait until 8 is released, unless it takes apple many months for this to happen.
Thanks!



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Shane Ross
Re: fcp 8 - when can we expect it to be released?
on Jul 29, 2010 at 8:59:20 pm

No one knows. Those who know, cannot tell.
When Apple is good and ready to release it.

Shane



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Matt Callac
Re: fcp 8 - when can we expect it to be released?
on Jul 29, 2010 at 9:04:26 pm

[Shane Ross] "No one knows. Those who know, cannot tell."

Isn't this one of shane's stock answers?
-mattyc


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Steve Cohen
Re: fcp 8 - when can we expect it to be released?
on Jul 29, 2010 at 9:06:12 pm

Yes it is, but it's true too.

Steve Cohen



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Jason Myres
Re: fcp 8 - when can we expect it to be released?
on Jul 29, 2010 at 9:34:57 pm

There was a lot of talk about Final Cut earlier this year. Based on a few key hirings recently (Randy Ubillos, more UI designers, etc.) it might be the middle of next year until we see something. They might have enough time to announce something by NAB, though.

Final Cut Studio is based on a huge amount of dated, Carbon code, and there is the hope that a full re-write to Cocoa in Xcode will make it a more efficient, modern software package, with features like 64-Bit addressing, multi-processor support through Grand Central, real media management, and 4K frame sizes.

Where they take the user interface is anyone's guess though. My thought is they will move to a unified, single-window interface that will look very similar to Logic Studio and Soundtrack Pro.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/05/18/apple_scaling_final_cut_studi...

There's also the whole Quicktime transition to deal with, and that is going to take some time as well.

http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2009/08/mac-os-x-10-6.ars/6

JM


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Tom Wolsky
Re: fcp 8 - when can we expect it to be released?
on Jul 29, 2010 at 9:45:47 pm

Nice thing about this forum is its rampant speculation.

I would say a single unified window is unlikely. Too many editors work in too many window arrangements including multiple monitors. If you can tear the windows apart then there doesn't seem to be much point in a unified window arrangement. So I'd say it's not likely to happen, and I for one would vote against, if I had a vote and Apple were a democracy, which we all know it isn't.

All the best,

Tom

Class on Demand DVDs "Complete Training for FCP7," "Basic Training for FCS" and "Final Cut Express Made Easy"
Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop"


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Jason Myres
Re: fcp 8 - when can we expect it to be released?
on Jul 29, 2010 at 11:46:22 pm

A unified interface doesn't mean you can't customize your window arrangements. Usually you can break out any tabs you want, but initially the basis of your organization is one large panel.

Either way, it seems to be a pattern at Apple...

Logic

Aperture

Soundtrack Pro

Motion

JM


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Tom Wolsky
Re: fcp 8 - when can we expect it to be released?
on Jul 30, 2010 at 12:34:54 am

I know it's ben done with the other applications. I believe it would be a mistake in FCP. Tearing apart the tabs sounds grand, but to doesn't really provide the needed flexibility I don't believe.

All the best,

Tom

Class on Demand DVDs "Complete Training for FCP7," "Basic Training for FCS" and "Final Cut Express Made Easy"
Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop"


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paul colin
Re: fcp 8 - when can we expect it to be released?
on Jul 31, 2010 at 2:14:52 pm

Thanks guys!
Well you ask a simple question and you get many answers.



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Ben Munro
Re: fcp 8 - when can we expect it to be released?
on Feb 24, 2011 at 1:13:18 pm

I totally agree I would hate a unified screen and after being so used to final cut's set up as so many editors are I think it would be stupid to change it. I'm really looking forward to finding out more about it though!


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Tom Wolsky
Re: fcp 8 - when can we expect it to be released?
on Jul 29, 2010 at 9:21:31 pm

Shortly before it's ready.

All the best,

Tom

Class on Demand DVDs "Complete Training for FCP7," "Basic Training for FCS" and "Final Cut Express Made Easy"
Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop"


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John Heagy
Re: fcp 8 - when can we expect it to be released?
on Aug 1, 2010 at 2:46:43 am

Not before Quicktime X is fleshed out. I hope Apple has a bunch of 64bit Quicktime APIs up their sleeve. Right now it's not even close to where it needs to be. I'd hate to be a developer who relies on QT right now.


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Joe Severino
Re: fcp 8 - when can we expect it to be released?
on Dec 17, 2010 at 7:50:57 pm

I think that FCS 3 (are we only on FCS 2 or are we on FCS 3 in which case it would be FCS4.... any who) I feel like its going to be a lot like the release of OS 10.6 The GUI stays relatively unchanged but what does change is under the hood (so to speak) I am thinking it will be powered by a fully flushed out version of QT X with at least the native support that FCP 7 offers now (with probable native support for DSLR and other tapeless codecs) Hyper threading and full scaleable Multi-core support (like some adobe products like AE, doesn't matter what you have AE will find a way to use it all) True 64-bit processing. I think motion is going to get some upgrades. I really hope that apple uses this release to take motion to the next level. I am hoping to see motion replace shake since apple discontinued shake and has yet to provide a decent substitute for it. I also would like to see, much better round tripping support from FCP to Logic. Having said all that, I don't see much in the way of GUI based changes. I swear if they make it look like iMovie.... well I wont say because then it would be pre meditated. :)

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Andree Franks
Re: fcp 8 - when can we expect it to be released?
on Dec 30, 2010 at 9:45:42 am

OH MY GOD Apple implements Shake TOOLS in Motion!
That would make my day and keep me buying CS5 that I am eyeing right now! Morphing, better tracking tool, node editor, so on and on!
They can keep there Real Time Preview crap! :)

Final Cut Pro yeah needs a real update! I have not seen a real update since version 5! 64 Bit support, better ProRes support, fast Rendering, 3D Titles oh yeah!!!

I just hope Apple does bring out a kick ass update or it will be new App for iOS lol! Pray Pray to the editor Gods!
Apple needs to start to announce there Pro Product! But again Adobe CS5 is not as bad any who!



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Tim Franklin
Re: fcp 8 - when can we expect it to be released?
on Feb 15, 2011 at 3:53:37 am

It would be nice to see something that would be worth the upgrade price, so far third party plugs are better than the Apple products, which is sort of dissatisfying. Perhaps Apple can get something done while on vacay,


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Thomas Morter-Laing
Re: fcp 8 - when can we expect it to be released?
on Mar 2, 2011 at 11:44:04 am

Every day, I hope it's tomorrow. (There is an event tomorrow actually, you never know...)

:D
Tom Morter-Laing
Freelance Editor
Certified Apple Product Proffessional, 2010
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Sean Sullivan
Re: fcp 8 - when can we expect it to be released?
on Mar 22, 2011 at 5:27:30 am

If apple is watching I want to chime in on the wish list:

The most important improvement FC could make is to improve speed and efficiency and thus reduce the amount of productive/billable time lost through inefficiencies (such as render times), the number of visits to other software applications and workarounds, even in run-of-the-mill workflows. In my fantasy Final Cut would enable me to do a basic job, in a quality HD format, exclusively in FC in real-time.

In general, ending or reducing the need to render and/or minimize the time rendering takes would go a long way to improving the next version of FC. Since Final Cut is a professional tool, then the filters and features inside FC as well as the Studio should maintain that standard across the board. When more than one application is necessary why not have greater integration of the components of the studio, so common elements functioned the same way and there was greater consistency to the g.u.i., menus, and function (including round-tripping) of the studio components.

My specific wish list for FC improvements include:
1. SPEED - 64bit processing and optimization with the latest apple hardware.
2. H.264 mov file native compatibility (several streams in real-time...premier already does it); In general I wish Apple could find a easier/better way to work with footage in multiple formats, including reducing or eliminating render times and accepting a wider range of formats.
3. On the fly file/timeline compatibility conversion integrated into Final Cut's interface (automatic prompts, simple, easy-to-use conversion window [i.e. Mpeg StreamClip], integration of essential compressor features);
4. Serious (professional quality) green screen capability (i.e. better/finer edge and masking tools, with pen tool addition of unlimited anchor points which can be easily/manually moved without prior activation for garbage matts and masks);
5. Better native color corrector (yes I know they got Color but why bounce back and forth if I don't need to);
6. How about a serious face lift to DVD Studio Pro for good measure? (a specific but basic matter: the timeline in DVD Studio Pro should work exactly like final cut)


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Chaz Wren
Re: fcp 8 - when can we expect it to be released?
on Mar 26, 2011 at 10:04:04 am

tbh FCP and all NLEs include keying filters as an added bonus, they'll never specialise in it, that's what compositing packages are built for. Check out Nuke, nodes give you unlimited control over your comp that you just can't get from a layer based NLE. You have instant access to Ultimatte, Primatte, KeyLight and the IBK.

That said, I'm dying to see some official details for FCP 8. Fingers firmly crossed for a full 64 bit rewrite with multithreaded processing and unlimited RAM utilisation :)


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Sean Sullivan
Re: fcp 8 - when can we expect it to be released?
on Mar 27, 2011 at 9:13:06 pm

Thanks Chaz for your response.

I am aware that I can go to other programs (Nuke and others), but as I wrote my point was if you offer compositing as a feature in Final Cut Pro it should work at a professional level (it doesn't) and I gave some suggestions on how that could be achieved. Not sure I understand the rationale of offering something sub par, which you have characterized as an "added bonus", even if offered in another program. What is the purpose of a deficient added bonus? I have not suggested Final Cut "specialize" in compositing, merely that it achieve basic compositing at a professional level. I disagree with any rationale that suggests you can't do something professional in more than one application. If you work for Apple I hope you will pass on my other suggestions if you find this offends you. My concerns regarding compositing were but a smaller point in a larger perspective.
I apologize in advance if this sounds heavy-handed, but I hope that Apple will not be defensive. I think the key to making something better is listening to the consumer base (and at least entertaining the possibility that they might have something valid to contribute) rather than explaining the current thought process driving development. The later creates a continuous loop.


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paul colin
Re: fcp 8 - when can we expect it to be released?
on Mar 28, 2011 at 12:43:11 pm

Yes a better way to perform compositing tasks would be nice. . . BUT the main thing is to improve performance. I really don't enjoy waiting on endless rendering times for example.
Professional level media management would also be quite welcome.
Just my two cents.
Thanks!
Paul Colin, Cezanne Studio
New York City



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Sean Sullivan
Re: fcp 8 - when can we expect it to be released?
on Mar 29, 2011 at 2:07:14 am

Agreed. Thanks Paul.


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Matthew Green
Re: fcp 8 - when can we expect it to be released?
on Apr 3, 2011 at 9:18:52 pm

I’m very disappointed in the crazy delay to bring an update to the market. By default Apple owes us a 64-bit program with better support with other formats such as MXF, AVC-Intra, DSLR's and so on.

The place where apple keeps me using Final cut pro in the future will be GPU acceleration (either with Nvidia Cuda software but best guess would be using ATI's stream technology).

I don’t want to move over to Premiere CS5, but the idea of not having to work with render times and having speed is a Big thing for me. I mean, if I’m going to get back 20%-35% of my time back with because of the performance boost to focus on other elements of the production line, that just sings with me.

I'm crossing my fingers that FCP 8 will push ahead of Premiere CS5 & CS6 this year, but that sure does sound like alot of work to accomplish for apple in a next update.

Well just have to wait and see.


Well just have to wait and see.


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Jay Carr
Re: fcp 8 - when can we expect it to be released?
on Apr 5, 2011 at 8:49:35 pm

There's some pretty good rumors going around that the release will coincide with the NAB conference next week. So...fingers crossed.


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