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Blase Theodore
feature length cut from nested sequences
on May 9, 2009 at 5:23:09 pm

I'm trying to media manage a feature which was edited entirely from nested sequences. Which means it won't trim down the unused media. I know I can use the command-drag to create a trimmed clip, but that's not a practical solution for 1000 clips. Are there any other methods that would work? Anything added to V6 that I might not know about?

I've tried MM offlining, exporting/importing edl's, xml's, creating master clips in new projects.

Thanks!


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Arnie Schlissel
Re: feature length cut from nested sequences
on May 9, 2009 at 8:22:58 pm

Have you un-nested the sequences?

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Blase Theodore
Re: feature length cut from nested sequences
on May 9, 2009 at 8:21:01 pm

Unnesting 1000 sequences one by one is not a practical solution. I'm looking for a way to unnest/trim all of them at the same time.



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Tal Rom
Re: feature length cut from nested sequences
on May 10, 2009 at 10:19:39 pm

Hi

I don't know tool that does it automatically,
but an editor assistant can do it in two or three days from a copy of the original sequence, or better from the copy of the project.

In one of the the films I consult , the editor assistants work for 3 days and create cut list from the EDL, they convert and check every In and Out points from 25 fps EDL to 24 Cut list.

so unnesting is easy.


Tal Rom

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Nick Meyers
Re: feature length cut from nested sequences
on May 11, 2009 at 8:29:10 am

im (a little) surprised MM doesn't work.
i have had it successfully trim clips in nests.
i wonder if there is some other problem.
do the clips have reel #s?

it seems as if you or someone has been NESTING clips to sync audio & viedo rather than MERGING or LINKING.
that's nuts, but unfortunately still a common mistake.

and the bad news is, there is no way to see inside the nest that i know of,
and no universal de-nest.
but you can make the de-nesting process a little easier

here's my how-to:

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NESTS: How to De-Nest


Q:
I've been editing from Sequences I've loaded into the viewer,
and now my timeline is all NESTS, not CLIPS!
How do i get back to having clips in the timeline?


OVERVIEW

• Open the nest from the timeline into the viewer.
• From there, make a subclip.
• A new "Sub Sequence" appears in the browser TRIMMED TO JUST THE SECTION USED.
• You then Apple-drag that back to the timeline.


PROCESS

Once you get in the swing of this, it can all happen relatively quickly, assuming you have simple sequences.
Complex sequences involve more, work, and in particular split edits require more detailed approach.

• Make a copy of the sequence,
• Make a new bin in the browser and put the copied sequence in it. (Add some asterisks to it so it's name sits at the top). Open the bin in it's own tab, (option double click on it).

• Open the first nest into the viewer.
In a simple timeline, that's just a matter of parking on the nest, and hitting return. Otherwise, select the nest and hit return, or OPTION Double-clcik on it, or even just drag it into the viewer
• Apple U to make a sequence subclip or "Sub-Sequnce"
the new trimmed sequence subclip appears in the browser in the new bin.

• Apple 1 to go back to the viewer.
• Down arrow to take you to the next clip,
• Apple U again.

Each new "Sub-Sequnce" gets labelled "Sequence Name - subclip" then "Sequence Name - subclip1" etc.
They're sequentially numbered, so they sort in the original order.

If that is not the case you'll need to number each "Sub-Sequnce" as it's made.
Don't worry about detailed names, simple 1, 2, 3 is all you need to keep them in order

• When you have a few, you can drag them back to the timeline.
Hold APPLE before you release the "Sub Sequences" into the timeline, and you will get the CONTENTS of the Sub Sequence, not a Nest

• Delete the "Sub Sequences" from the browser, and continue.



TIPS:

Don't do too many at once.
Do three for starters, then build up to twenty or so. Take it further if you feel you can.
NB: you'd have to stop a series when you come to a gap in the timeline

Apple dragging
The trick to Apple dragging multiple Sequences:
Select,
Drag from browser,
Line them up on a track above the nested versions.
You should be able to see clearly if they are lined up correctly. Having snapping turned on is essential for this.
NOW hold Apple.
If the nests contain multiple edits, you will see the "ghost image" of the nests you're holding change from single nests to multiple clips.
NOW let go.

After you've dropped them there, double check close up before you do the next group.

Check your Work
Before saying the job is done, verify that everything has landed where it should have.

Drag the entire track of original nests up to new track above everything else.
Re-size them, or reduce their opacity.
check the original nest against the de-nested clips.

When satisfied, DELETE the nests and SAVE your project.
You may well see a significant reduction in you project file size, as lots of nests made from long sequences can really bloat a project.



SPLIT AUDIO

There's a bit of a gotcha if you have split edits on your nested sequences:
The new "Sub Sequnce" only takes the duration of the picture.

A couple of things you could do include:

1. Do picture in one pass, then sound in another
DRAWBACK: Audio and Video will no longer be linked
2. Re-create the split, using the edits in the Nested Sequnce as a guide.
DRAWBACK: Given that the nest contains many cuts, you may well lose important edits

A more thorough workaround:

Go thru your timeline finding any audio splits and blade them off
Also be on the lookout for any NON SYNC nested audio.
Move those sections to a clean set of tracks.

Go through the de-nesting process for your picture.

When done, go through the timeline again and individually attack the nested audio splits.
You cant do them in batches as most likely there will be gaps between them
At most you could do 2.



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