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Michael Lansdell
Best SD to HD upscale solution? Trying to make 4:3 footage fit into a 16:9 film, seamlessly!
on Mar 6, 2009 at 9:12:48 am

I have some old interview shot in 4:3, that needs to seamlessly into a 16:9 project. I figure the best way to do this on most of the shots is upscale into HD, and then I can pull the image out to fill the frame (or shrink it back, as the case may be with HD footage!).
But, there do seem to be a lot of upscaling plugins out there, so I'd like peoples opinions on what they've used. It's only for about 6 shots in an hour long programme, so I don't want to go to a big expense if possible.

Alternatively, is there another option? Are there plugins that can draw in the missing data of a 4:3 shot to make it 16:9?

I've included an example of the IV footage, so you can see, I've done a little to the 16:9 one to try and clean it up, but it's not good enough for me!

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Michael Lansdell

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Available Light Productions Ltd

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Rafael Amador
Re: Best SD to HD upscale solution? Trying to make 4:3 footage fit into a 16:9 film, seamlessly!
on Mar 6, 2009 at 9:42:33 am

Hi Michael,
Probably the best option in FCS is Compressor.
Frame Control ON.
Shane Ross have a tutorial about here in the COW.
You my try too in FC setting him to "High Precission YUV Rendering" and "Render Motion Effects:BEST".
This together with setting your sequence to a 10b codec my work.
rafael

http://www.nagavideo.com

(and here some clips for the friends: http://www.vimeo.com/2694745 )


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Michael Lansdell
Re: Best SD to HD upscale solution? Trying to make 4:3 footage fit into a 16:9 film, seamlessly!
on Mar 6, 2009 at 11:19:08 am

Hi,

I'm confused, how would I use compressor for upscaling?
I've tried the Red Giant Instant HD plugin and wasn't impressed, also it gives a lot of colour artefacts in the image:



Boris' UpRez filter is even worse, though:



!!!

Michael Lansdell

Online Editor,
Available Light Productions Ltd

My system:

2 x 3 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
5GB DDR2 RAM
512MB ATI Radeon X1900 XT
OS X 10.4.11
Final Cut Pro 6.0.4
Blackmagic Design DeckLink HD Extreme (6.6.2)


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walter biscardi
Re: Best SD to HD upscale solution? Trying to make 4:3 footage fit into a 16:9 film, seamlessly!
on Mar 6, 2009 at 11:32:51 am

I would use my Kona 3 to upscale it during ingest as that's the cleanest way to do it. But then you're blowing it up another 50% which is not going to be "seamless" by any means because you're really going to degrade the image even further. SD generally does not scale up that well at all when you try to fill the 16:9 space.

We never try to fill 16:9 with a 4:3 image. We do one of two things.

Put a blown up / blurred version of the same image behind the 4:3 image and knock down the brightness by 50%. This gives the same motion and colors as the primary video in the 16:9 space.

We do nothing at all to the pillar box around the 4:3. It's not as distracting as you might think. PBS requires that we leave that space blank and we've delivered 5 episodes to them doing just that. Now that same client wants us to do the same for everything else as it's really clean.

If I were you, I would use my hardware upconvert to convert it to HD on the way in and then manipulate it from there. Hardware conversion is always better than software conversion.

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Rafael Amador
Re: Best SD to HD upscale solution? Trying to make 4:3 footage fit into a 16:9 film, seamlessly!
on Mar 6, 2009 at 11:45:46 am

Hi Michael,
Sure if you have a Kona or so is the best way to go, as Walter points out.
In Compressor you may apply one of the presets in Other Worflows> Advanced Format Cnversion> High definition. Use the one according with your HD sequence.
You need to set the Frame Control: ON.
Resize Filter: Better or Best.
Deinterlacing the footage in case is not Progressive will improve the results up to Shane's experience.
rafael

http://www.nagavideo.com

(and here some clips for the friends: http://www.vimeo.com/2694745 )


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Shane Ross
Re: Best SD to HD upscale solution? Trying to make 4:3 footage fit into a 16:9 film, seamlessly!
on Mar 6, 2009 at 3:55:01 pm

Michael...that is the Instant HD DEMO, isn't it? Because those little dots are the way they "watermark" the demo so you can't use it. VERY DUMB...I know. How can you tell if you want to buy it if you can't tell what it looks like. Their other products have an ACTUAL watermark with their logo. Instant HD does this.

You want GOOD upscaling, use a Kona card, or send the tape out to a dub house with a Terranex. Want OK scaling, then use Instant HD or Compressor.

Compressor workflow...sorta dated:
http://pistolerapost2.com/shaneross/DV_to_DVCPRO_HD.mov


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Michael Lansdell
Re: Best SD to HD upscale solution? Trying to make 4:3 footage fit into a 16:9 film, seamlessly!
on Mar 6, 2009 at 3:58:57 pm

Heh, I realised after posting that it was the limitation of the demo. Even so, I don't think there is any jump in image quality, and certainly not one you notice when the video is playing. Will try that compressor workflow, thank you!

Michael Lansdell

Online Editor,
Available Light Productions Ltd

My system:

2 x 3 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
5GB DDR2 RAM
512MB ATI Radeon X1900 XT
OS X 10.4.11
Final Cut Pro 6.0.4
Blackmagic Design DeckLink HD Extreme (6.6.2)


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Michael Lansdell
Re: Best SD to HD upscale solution? Trying to make 4:3 footage fit into a 16:9 film, seamlessly!
on Mar 6, 2009 at 4:32:44 pm

Compressor wins:



But if any of you visit Bristol I'll get you a drink :o)

Thanks again, guys!

Michael Lansdell

Online Editor,
Available Light Productions Ltd

My system:

2 x 3 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
5GB DDR2 RAM
512MB ATI Radeon X1900 XT
OS X 10.4.11
Final Cut Pro 6.0.4
Blackmagic Design DeckLink HD Extreme (6.6.2)


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Rafael Amador
OT: Video Purifier
on Mar 7, 2009 at 6:04:55 am

I just made a test with Video Purifier from Innobits (BitVice).
Basically is a cleaning/denoising tool. They claim to have a very good filter for re-scaling.
I've just tried it and I think that the result is really, really good and works very fast.
I'll make a test upscaling some DV footage to 1920x1080 with Compressor, FC and Video purifier.
i'll post the results.
rafael

http://www.nagavideo.com

(and here some clips for the friends: http://www.vimeo.com/2694745 )


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Sachin Desai
Video Purifier
on Mar 7, 2009 at 10:38:09 am

I've gone through the post!

some nice solutions! i use Black Magic multibridge to upscale any footage, sometimes i use MPEG Streamclip to do this for me! its a free solution and give reasonable upscaling for FREE thing! you must try it..



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Tom Brooks
Re: Best SD to HD upscale solution? Trying to make 4:3 footage fit into a 16:9 film, seamlessly!
on Mar 7, 2009 at 12:09:13 pm

Isn't the widening of the image a problem?


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Patrick Grossien
Re: Best SD to HD upscale solution? Trying to make 4:3 footage fit into a 16:9 film, seamlessly!
on Mar 18, 2015 at 5:24:47 pm

Ok this was ages ago, but I'd need a hint on how to do the best possible software upres.
You used compressor. Do you remember how you used it? Which settings....

Thanks a ton!


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Tom Brooks
Re: Best SD to HD upscale solution? Trying to make 4:3 footage fit into a 16:9 film, seamlessly!
on Mar 18, 2015 at 7:13:36 pm

Settings depend on your input and output aspect ratio. If you want 4:3 to pillarbox to 1080, set your padding to 4:3. If both are 16:9, leave padding alone. Set resize to Best and Retime to Better. Adaptive details can enhance a bit for up rez. Try without and with 100% and then fine tune to taste.


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