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Steve Cohen
Direct Network of 2 MACS?
on Dec 31, 2008 at 5:18:02 pm

If I take a regular network cable and run it directly from 1 Mac to the other should they be able to see each other.



If the answer is yes, then is there anything else I need to do to create a direct connect because I have them hooked up and I don’t see anything.



Steve Cohen

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O2 Media Inc.


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Zane Barker
Re: Direct Network of 2 MACS?
on Jan 1, 2009 at 7:18:29 am

What exactly are you trying to accomplish?

There are no "technical solutions" to your "artistic problems".
Don't let technology get in the way of your creativity!



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Steve Cohen
Re: Direct Network of 2 MACS?
on Jan 1, 2009 at 1:26:56 pm

I have 2 Macs that are not on a network (because my CTO thinks that it is unsafe to have our Final Cut editing systems online), but I constantly need to move files back and forth between 2 particular systems.

I now we can setup a separate Ethernet network for the MAC, but I don't want to have to set up a whole network for mainly 2 computers.

Is there a way to just run a network cable between the 2 systems and have them see each other?

Do I need to use a crossover cable?

Do I need to turn on anything, like Appleshare?

I do have access to a Ethernet Hub if that helps in anyway.

Thanks for the help.



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O2 Media Inc.


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Zane Barker
Re: Direct Network of 2 MACS?
on Jan 2, 2009 at 2:25:32 am

[Steve Cohen] "Do I need to use a crossover cable? "

No the computer itself can handle the cross over.

They should just see each other. But tell your boss that there is absolutely NO reason that a editing machine needs be be kept off of the internet. There is not a safety risk of viruses on Macs ac Macs do NOT get viruses.



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Curtis Thompson
Re: Direct Network of 2 MACS?
on Jan 2, 2009 at 4:42:19 am

hello...

[Zane Barker] "But tell your boss that there is absolutely NO reason that a editing machine needs be be kept off of the internet. There is not a safety risk of viruses on Macs ac Macs do NOT get viruses. "

ooh - i gotta disagree here...there are (albeit extremely rare) viruses for macs out there, and there is always more risk for a variety of things even outside of viruses when a box is connected to a public network...

i also suspect that the boss wants to keep the boxes off the internet to help keep productivity up...but outside that, a box off the internet (mac or not) is always more secure than a box that is connected...

i would just set up a small internal network - by far the easiest and then you're set up for the future as well...could even make it wireless if you wanted...

sitruc





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Zane Barker
Re: Direct Network of 2 MACS?
on Jan 2, 2009 at 4:56:08 am

[Curtis Thompson] "ooh - i gotta disagree here...there are (albeit extremely rare) viruses for macs out there, and there is always more risk for a variety of things even outside of viruses when a box is connected to a public network... "

The closest thing you will find to a virus on a mac is a DNS Changer, and to get that you have to go to some janky porn site and it will ask if you want to install a video codec. And even then you must type in your password to install it.

My good fried works as a genius in one of the Apple Stores and the DNS Changer is the closest thing they have ever seen to a virus.

As far as public networks go he NEVER said that it was public. Honestly you have a higher chance of someone accessing your files via the network then you do getting a virus on the mac, and they will only be able to access your files if they have your user name and password.

Your productivity point may be true, but in my opinion any boss that micromanages so much as to not allow internet in the place has got more issues then we want to go into.




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Curtis Thompson
Re: Direct Network of 2 MACS?
on Jan 2, 2009 at 5:00:28 am

hello...

[Zane Barker] "As far as public networks go he NEVER said that it was public. Honestly you have a higher chance of someone accessing your files via the network then you do getting a virus on the mac, and they will only be able to access your files if they have your user name and password. "

your devotion to the mothership is strong, my friend...it's appreciated but keep in mind that no computer system is 100% secure - granted that unix has far fewer viruses than other operating systems, but you simply cannot say that a mac (or any other computer) plugged into the internet is as secure as one that is not. his boss is right when he says that their security is better if the editing systems are not on the internet.

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Zane Barker
Re: Direct Network of 2 MACS?
on Jan 2, 2009 at 5:08:14 am

It will be FINE to put it on the internet, as long as you stay away from those porn sites, and all that the DNS changer will do is make your inter net go slow.

The way the OS is built you must enter your password to install things.

And one could easily make the argument that not being connected to the internet would actually hinder productivity. Having to go to move files from machine to machine when you need to email something to a client or when they send you something that you need to incorporate into a production.

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Steve Cohen
Re: Direct Network of 2 MACS?
on Jan 2, 2009 at 11:50:25 am

Thanks guys for the info, but I have already had the internet connectivity debate with them and have lost out several times.

They feel it is a security issue (mainly viruses, and it is true that there are few if no viruses for the Mac, but that is because the percentage of the population that owns Macs is far less then those that own PC's and the demented minds that create viruses want to affect the most people as possible. With the popularity of MAC's increasing it is only a matter of time before there are numerous viruses for them).

Productivity is not really the reason either because they placed PC's in the edit suites to access e-mail and get graphics from the network.

the internet connection issue is a dead horse for now, plus I don't have the strenght to battle it anymore.

So either a small network or a crossover cable will connect the 2 machines?

DO I need to turn on Apple Share?


Thanks

Steve Cohen

Senior Editor

O2 Media Inc.


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Curtis Thompson
Re: Direct Network of 2 MACS?
on Jan 2, 2009 at 3:11:23 pm

hello...

ya - your question sorta got hijacked here... :-/

here's a good place to start:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1433

sitruc






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Steve Cohen
Re: Direct Network of 2 MACS?
on Jan 2, 2009 at 4:44:27 pm

Thanks;

That is what I thought, but just trying to confirm it.

Thanks again.

Steve Cohen

Senior Editor

O2 Media Inc.


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Steve Cohen
Re: Direct Network of 2 MACS? RESOLVED
on Jan 6, 2009 at 1:14:57 pm

On 2 G5 Mac Power PC's all I needed to do was connect a standard Ethernet cable and turn on file sharing under the "Sharing" setting in Systems Preferences, then I was able to see each computer from the Connect to server area under Go.

I found a really good description on how to do it at Associated Content.

Steve Cohen

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Curtis Thompson
Re: Direct Network of 2 MACS?
on Jan 2, 2009 at 3:14:55 pm

[Zane Barker] "It will be FINE to put it on the internet, as long as you stay away from those porn sites, and all that the DNS changer will do is make your inter net go slow. "

i'll leave it at this - i'm not saying it's dangerous to put a mac on an internet connection, but that it is less safe than not doing so. period. you cannot argue with that.

in addition, anybody who has a box connected to the internet should always have a firewall between themselves and the world - anybody who doesn't is asking for it. and don't come back with the dns changer thing - let it go. these are plain facts.





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Zane Barker
Re: Direct Network of 2 MACS?
on Jan 2, 2009 at 3:37:13 pm

You are in more danger of geting hit by a car on your way to work then you are of getting a virus on your mac.

Yet you are still going to go to work.

There are no "technical solutions" to your "artistic problems".
Don't let technology get in the way of your creativity!



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Curtis Thompson
Re: Direct Network of 2 MACS?
on Jan 2, 2009 at 3:43:27 pm

let it go. please. just let it go.




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Michael Hancock
Re: Direct Network of 2 MACS?
on Jan 2, 2009 at 4:31:37 pm

One of the best reasons to isolate any edit system from the internet, PC or Mac, is to avoid unwanted updates to software. If you forget to uncheck even one Automatically Check for Updates box and your machine updates, it can break something critical.

Editing computers should be treated as specialized workstations, not general purpose computers. One rogue Quicktime update, OS security update, etc... can cripple a machine, and every minute the machine is down is money lost. That's likely a big reason your bosses want to keep the systems offline. It's better for business.

Networking the two systems together, though, is smart business. Hope you find an answer to that one.

Michael.





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Zane Barker
Re: Direct Network of 2 MACS?
on Jan 3, 2009 at 4:28:31 am

[Michael Hancock] "One of the best reasons to isolate any edit system from the internet, PC or Mac, is to avoid unwanted updates to software. If you forget to uncheck even one Automatically Check for Updates box and your machine updates, it can break something critical. "

Good point but a better way to do that is by having administrator accounts and standard accounts. The editors get standard accounts that do not have authority to run updates, and the person that maintains the machines has the access to the administrator account, he then updates all the machines at the same time when he deems that the update is good.

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Michael Hancock
Re: Direct Network of 2 MACS?
on Jan 3, 2009 at 5:49:04 am

[Zane Barker] "Good point but a better way to do that is by having administrator accounts and standard accounts. The editors get standard accounts that do not have authority to run updates, and the person that maintains the machines has the access to the administrator account, he then updates all the machines at the same time when he deems that the update is good."

Point taken, but that's assuming you're using an edit system that functions properly with standard accounts. I'm not 100% sure about Avid on a Mac, but on a PC you require at least a power user account for the software to run right. That means you can update the OS and Quicktime if you don't turn them off.

I just believe that you should keep your edit systems offline. The more variables you can remove the from equation the less likely you are to run into problems. When the machine is integral to your bread and butter, it's really best way to do it.

Michael.



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Zane Barker
Re: Direct Network of 2 MACS?
on Jan 3, 2009 at 5:51:42 am

[Michael Hancock] "I just believe that you should keep your edit systems offline."

Just your opinion, I will stick to mine that as long stick to mine.

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Don't let technology get in the way of your creativity!



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Curtis Thompson
Re: Direct Network of 2 MACS?
on Jan 3, 2009 at 5:53:17 am

michael, i suspect that most here agree with you (and i know i do), however you are fighting a battle that you cannot win...i spent several posts and gave up after trying to make the same logical argument...

he's determined to have his macs plugged into the internet no matter what...so let him....






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Christopher Wright
Re: Direct Network of 2 MACS?
on Jan 5, 2009 at 4:10:25 am

Yes sometimes MAC worship makes you blind to computer programming and hacking reality.

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Bob Cole
Internet connection
on Jan 25, 2009 at 1:41:05 pm

I see both sides of the issue. Just want to point out, though, that disconnecting will not save you from disaster, if you forget the one most important principal of earning your living with computers:

"It might break at the worst possible moment, so make sure you have a worst-case scenario in place."

The Internet is probably not the greatest source of potential disaster, and it is incredibly helpful to productivity. Even though I have other computers which I could use to access the Internet, I find it useful to have online access on the Mac to music libraries, Google (those lower-third name spell checks), software updates, etc. On both PCs and Macs, using firewalls, "safe Interneting," and common sense, I've had no debilitating Internet viruses in many years. On the other hand, I've had hard drives fail, and a virus has indeed brought a PC NLE to a halt (when I used a floppy disk from another editor, which had a virus).

If I had a life-or-death, mission-critical business, I'd probably disconnect. But I'd do a lot of other things first, like daily full backups, etc. And DON'T UPDATE your software until the guinea pigs have checked it out.

Bob C



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