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Randall MCan't boot no matter what!
by on Jun 18, 2007 at 4:59:56 am

Hi. Hope this is okay to post here because I don't know if this is software of hardware.

My old faithful dual 800 G4 original Quicksilver running 10.3.8 started acting funny the other day playing a DVD-rom. Then it froze, then a bunch of unix text came on screen. See below. I tried booting from OS CD, also tried option, tried with target drive - nada.
When the machine has come up it works for a while and them wham-o, dead in the water with all this text on screen. Here it is.

System Failure: cpu=0; code=00000008 (Unknown failure code)
Latest crash info for cpu 0:
Exception state (sv=0x25597A00)
PC=0x00094050; MSR=0x00001030; DAR=0x00000009; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x00093F2C; R1=0x11E73680; XCP=00000098 (System Failure)
Backtrace:
0x000861B0 0x00085274 0x000590F4 0x00000000 0x2AAFD4FC 0x2AAFD4FC 0x2AAFD690 0x2AAFD794
0x24C77308 0x24C95B90 0x24C8EC8C 0x24C8E884 0x24C701F0 0x2ABCD870 0x2AC1A218 0x2AA847CC
0x000355AC 0x0003548C
Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.apple.nvidia.nv10hal(3.4.2)@0x24c2c000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(1.4)@0x220bf000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.NVDAResman(3.4.2)@0x2aa6a000
com.apple.NVDAResman(3.4.2)@0x2aa6a000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(1.4)@0x220bf000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily(1.3.4)@0x2202d000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IONDRVSupport(1.3.1)@0x2204c000
Proceeding back via exception chain:
Exception state (sv=0x25597A00)
PC=0x2AAFD9E4; MSR=0x00009030; DAR=0x00000009; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x2AAFD490; R1=0x11E73760; XCP=-0x0000000C (0x300 - Data access) Backtrace:
0x000590F4 0x00000000 0x2AAFD4FC 0x2AAFD4FC 0x2AAFD690 0x2AAFD794 0x24C77308 0x24C95B90
0x24C8EC8C 0x24C8E884 0x24C701F0 0x2ABCD870 0x2AC1A218 0x2AA847CC 0x000355AC 0x0003548C
Kernel loadable modules in backtrace (with dependencies):
com.apple.nvidia.nv10hal(3.4.2)@0x24c2c000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(1.4)@0x220bf000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.NVDAResman(3.4.2)@0x2aa6a000
com.apple.NVDAResman(3.4.2)@0x2aa6a000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(1.4)@0x220bf000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily(1.3.4)@0x2202d000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IONDRVSupport(1.3.1)@0x2204c000
Exception state (sv=0x24F35000)
PC=0x00000000; MSR=0x0000D030; DAR=0x00000000; DSISR=0x00000000; LR=0x00000000; R1=0x00000000; XCP=0x00000000 (Unknown)

Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version7.8.0:
Wed Dec 22 14:26:17 PST 2004; root:xnu/xnu-517.11.1.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC

Memory access exception (1,0,0)
ethernet MAC address: 00:00:00:00:00:00
ip address: 0.0.0.0

Waiting for remote debugger connection.
kdp_poll: no debugger device

Can anyone tell me what this means? Bad power supply? Logic Board? Or is it time to move on to the G5?
Thanks,
Randall


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zrb123Re: Can't boot no matter what!
by on Jun 18, 2007 at 5:17:19 am

[Randall M] "Can anyone tell me what this means? Bad power supply? Logic Board? Or is it time to move on to the G5?"

it sound like it is probably the logic board, will it let you boot from your install disk?

As far as moving to a G5, even they are old now. Apple has not made a G5 for quite some time, Apple is now using Intel processors. Look into the Mac Pro.


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Randall MRe: Can't boot no matter what!
by on Jun 18, 2007 at 12:17:38 pm

Thanks for replying. I haven't gone back yet to the original G4 install disk but will try that today. I've tried Panther 10.3 and Diskwarrior for osx, as well as tech tool platinum cds but they get about 15 seconds into their process and simply kill the machine.

I did remember the last thing I installed about a week ago was a new 3.6V motherboard battery- which by the way I was having to replace about every 6 months.

I have priced a new mac pro and will go that route if needed, but I'd just like to solve this head scratcher first.

Thanks again for your suggestion.

Randall


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zrb123Re: Can't boot no matter what!
by on Jun 18, 2007 at 3:39:07 pm

Because it will not boot from any of those other disks it sounds like it is most likely the logic board. To be sure you will need to have it looked at by a genius at the apple store.


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Chuck RetiRe: Can't boot no matter what!
by on Jun 18, 2007 at 7:21:02 pm

[Randall M] "I did remember the last thing I installed about a week ago was a new 3.6V motherboard battery- which by the way I was having to replace about every 6 months."

It's pretty easy to put the battery in the wrong way. Have you checked that as well?
Your battery should not have faililng that frequently. Two to three years is a typical span. Were you unplugging the computer or switching off its AC supply after shutting down? This will cause the life to be sucked out of the logic board batteries.
Have you tried resetting the PMU after the battery replacement - there's a sequence to doing it right; some other learned person here will have to chime in.


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Randall MRe: Can't boot no matter what!
by on Jun 19, 2007 at 6:18:05 am

Thanks Chuck for your feedback as well. Yeah I checked the battery position, and it's correct. I have had the mac plugged in to a surge protector that does have consistent power throughput- even after turned off- on a couple of outlets. The motherboard battery life very well could have been affected by these outlets.

This evening I tried booting up while holding down apple/option and the O & F keys to reset the firmware, but after accepting the command to reset all, the machine simply gave up powering the ADC connected apple cinema display, as well as the USB keyboard/mouse.

I'm becoming more convinced this is a logic board failure. What a mess.

Debating on buying a duplicate machine to rob parts from or just taking the plunge on a Mac Pro.


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Rich RubaschRe: Can't boot no matter what!
by on Jul 11, 2007 at 3:30:07 am

If budget is your concern there are a few decent G5s out there and they can run the latest. I just bought a Dual 2.7 gig G5 and we are editing HD on it just fine....Final Cut Studio 2 and Adobe CS3. I had a dual 800 do a similar thing last year....really hurt because it was a workhorse for so long. I still run a Dual 1 gig G4 as a print station for making DVD labels etc, and a G4 400 that is souped up with a 1.4 gigahertz processor upgrade that I use at home...I also have a MacBookPro, so I do have some new hardware!

I don't think I would go the parts route however...if you have some experience with ebay, I would try to sell some of your parts, like RAM, and the power supply if you can verify it is working well. Even the case, if it is in good condition will fetch some money.

Good luck.

Rich Rubasch
Tilt Media


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