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Jerome RobbinsIf you were up-grading from scratch which system would you go for?
by on Aug 9, 2006 at 7:36:07 am

I presently have Media 100 XR 8.2.2 running on OSX 10.3 Panther.

I want to upgrade my MAC. What would be the best Media 100 set-up to optimize and economize?



jerome


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FlohRe: If you were up-grading from scratch which system would you go for?
by on Aug 9, 2006 at 11:42:40 pm

The question is what you need and what you want to spend.

When thinking about a new Media 100 hardware the question is if you want to have the option to work in HD or not. For us luckily the tools always created opportunities. Quickly after we got our first HD system we got a request for a HD production. When we bought our first HD system we had not a real need for a HD solution, but the fact taht we had the possibility to work in HD gave us access to this job and some more that followed it. So I would vote for one of the HD solutions; probably for the HDe system if you don


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Jim CalahanRe: If you were up-grading from scratch which system would you go for?
by on Aug 10, 2006 at 1:32:35 pm

If you want one of the new MACs I would wait a little longer as AJA and Media100 probably saw the Mac Pros along with everybody else for the first time Monday.

Jim Calahan
KVIE, Sacramento


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Scott_FRe: If you were up-grading from scratch which system would you go for?
by on Aug 10, 2006 at 3:38:30 pm

Floh has a good point. What formats do you work in? What codecs do you typically work with or would like to work with? What type of clients do you typically have?

At the end of the day, these things are tools and you are the craftsman.

What computer you decide to run on is your choice too. The new thing is obviously the MAC Pro's. But remember the G-5 that was the only computer Apple offered a week ago is still as good and fast now as it was then.

You use the Media 100 now, if you like it and wany pretty much the same experience but faster, go with the SDE. If you'd like to move into the HD eventually but not today, then the HDE is the way to go.

Scott F


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GregRe: If you were up-grading from scratch which system would you go for?
by on Aug 10, 2006 at 9:52:41 pm

I believe they received these macs erlier. How else would AJA and Black Magic alreaady announce they they support the Intel Mac? Media 100 MUST be working on this.


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johnRe: If you were up-grading from scratch which system would you go for?
by on Aug 10, 2006 at 10:18:03 pm

greg

it is highly unlike the new Apple to let 3rd parties have machines pre-release. And with P.R. the devil is in the details!

altho AJA announced support it was actually UB not for the MacPro's. I believe that they, like M100, are working toward that

"New v3 software will be available by the end of the month adding Mac Pro support to this popular line.



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AjmetzRe: If you were up-grading from scratch which system would you go for?
by on Aug 10, 2006 at 10:50:10 pm

All software houses knew Apple was shifting to Intel, and Apple's laptops and iMacs have been on Intel for a while now, so everyone was working on a shift to universal binary.

I currently have G4s still on OS9, so I am looking to upgrade next year, when I have some cash.

I spoke to Boris at Broadcast Live earlier in the year, and although impressed with M100 v11, I said I would need to buy a new Mac to run it, since I had old OS9 machines, and I might as well wait until the new Mac Pro is announced, and a universal binary version of M100 has been produced.

The response I got, was pretty much, if you buy a PowerMac G5 today, and M100, it will work, and then you can upgrade later. I was told there would be an upgrade option for current M100 v11 users, when a universal binary version becomes available. However, I wasn't told whether this would be free, or cost.

Overall, I didn't get the impression that a M100 universal binary was already being worked on at all at that time. But if I could hazard a guess, I'm guessing if v11.5 is still PowerPC only, then we'll probably have to wait till Q1 or Q2 2007 for a universal binary option.

However, with this IBC show coming up in September, and the newly released Mac Pro, etc, I wouldn't be surprised if Boris make an official announcement about what their plans are, in the next week or so (but failing that, surely certainly by September).
And then we'll really know what's happening, and more importantly, when.

I must also admit to being a bit lazy of late. I come to this forum whenever I've a problem. But, er, perhaps a quick email off to Media100/Boris's Support Department would actually tell us what the situation is, instead of us just guessing.


P.S. To add a bit to this post however - I've always worked in SD. When moving to HD, are there any extra considerations to make hard drive and media storage wise? Atm, I just use Lacie D2 harddrives on firewire.


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johnRe: If you were up-grading from scratch which system would you go for?
by on Aug 11, 2006 at 8:35:10 am

ajmetz

the good news is that M100 software and hardware is HD savvy already,
the other good news is that if you are working in SD then there are many many cheap and reliable options for
hard drive storage.
the bad news is that HD chews thru hard drives and you will need to research all your options
if you go down that road.

not meaning to be a killjoy but HD is another ball-game

john


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Michael SloweRe: If you were up-grading from scratch which system would you go for?
by on Aug 11, 2006 at 10:57:48 am

I found the switch to HD with Media 100 fairly painless and not too expensive. I am shooting in HDV and upgrading via the Convergent Design box. The main problem for me is the SDI in and out with no other option which means mastering to a rented HDCAM deck. I can master to DVCAM but only via composite which is a waste of picture quality. Firewire for DV is hinted at later this year. The drive reqirements for HD are a consideration it is true. I have a total of over 5 TB's but I make documentaries which necessitates high cutting ratios and I am acqireing in 8bit uncompressed. The Mac G5 seems to handle all this effortlessly and Media 100 is as good as ever and as comfortable to use as it was with version 6!


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AjmetzRe: If you were up-grading from scratch which system would you go for?
by on Aug 12, 2006 at 9:44:21 pm

It sounds good.

I think my problem is, I hear the word "RAID" and "Array" a lot, and I don't really know what one is.

Atm, I just use Lacie D2 Tripple Interface Extremes @ 250GB and 300GB a drive, and I have about five of these now. I too have been doing a documentary. All of these are just external firewire drives, and I wonder if they'll suffice for HD, or whether firewire is too slow for HD data?
I'm still not likely to buy a system until next year, hopefully when a universal binary of M100 is available, and the Mac Pro has settled as a format ( and when I have spare cash, natch =P ). But being aware of any extra costs, such as hardware setups, and drives, etc is advantageous. Of course, I see on the M100 website they recommend specific drives and drive manufacturers.
( see http://www.media100.com/Products/peripherals.asp ) but I don't know if I would have to invest in those sorts of drives, or if standard firewire drives will continue to suffice. Obviously, I assume for SD work I could continue with my Lacies, but I assume things change when working with HD.
Again, these questions are premature, as I doubt I'll be upgrading for a year or so, but for the sake of extending this thread with discussion of hardware setups for using the new M100, it would be interesting to learn what Raids and disc arrays are, and what hard drive setup someone looking to work in HD with Media100 would need to invest in.


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Bobby MVRe: If you were up-grading from scratch which system would you go for?
by on Aug 13, 2006 at 5:16:54 pm

i would be curious to see what configuration possibilities there are for the mac pro with those 4 hard drive bays. maybe have a system drive and raid the other 3 internals. wonder what kind of performance you can get out those SATA 3.0gb drives.

Bobby Mosaedi
Multimedia Specialist, Magic Video, Inc.
Media 100HD system now online


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FlohRe: If you were up-grading from scratch which system would you go for?
by on Aug 14, 2006 at 10:04:09 am

[Ajmetz] "I think my problem is, I hear the word "RAID" and "Array" a lot, and I don't really know what one is."

A RAID or Array is a set of drives that are "joined" to give higher data rates. E.g. if you have 2 drives on individual SCSI/SATA/FibreChannel connections and you "stripe" them together as a single RAID 0 volume you get nearly twice the read and write speed you would get from those drives individually. Additionally you can stripe 3 or more drives in a RAID 5 array, which not only gives you quicker read and write speeds but also protection. If one drive in a RAID5 setup fails the data is not lost, since one drive contains "parity" data which allows reconstruction of the original data on the fly. You lose the space (and performance) of one drive, though. So if you


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