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Bobby MVgoodbye final cut, hello m100... (again)
by on Jul 26, 2006 at 4:14:04 pm

ok i know im not at all a final cut pro guru, i know how to capture, i know how to edit, and do multicam, and use all the programs that come with it. I currently work with a dual dual g5 with a blackmagic design multibridge extreme card. its not so bad.

Here's my problem. We shot over 8 hours of footage on a JVC HDV camera, and in a rush to get the tapes ingested, we had an intern stay up late one night and capture all the tapes from start to end. hoping to follow my years of media100 experience, we would digitize entire tapes from analog component signal into the blackmagic with timecode/RS422, create a sequence, and then redigitize our selects. what an awful experience this has been trying to uprez a few cuts for a TV spot. I think final cut pro is just awful when it comes to input and output. reading through numerous cow threads and a user named "bryce" the general consensus is that way final cut pro communicates and handles files is funamentally different than m100, premiere, and avid, and little has changed in its core archtecture since v1.0.

final cut will not let me redigitze subclips from a big clip, it has to redigitize the entire original clip. how awful. thats what batch capture does. you can use the media manager to make your clips offline, then create a new project, and then instruct it to create master clips based only on your in and outs you created. i dont know why this is necessary. then once its all in you have to match your sequence settings to match what you just redigged or else you get the render bar.

we've decided to sell the blackmagic card and buy an HDe. Thanks to the AJA card, we will be able to have media100 and final cut on the same computer. i'll be happy to eventually adapt to the final cut process of offline to online, but right now i gotta be able to have the simplicity of media100's scalable codec quality for HD. its just too easy and i shouldnt be caught up with 1 million and one settings to avoid a "render bar" .

i'm so glad media100 has bounced back... thank you boris


Bobby Mosaedi
Multimedia Specialist, Magic Video, Inc.
Media 100HD system now online


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FlohRe: goodbye final cut, hello m100... (again)
by on Jul 26, 2006 at 5:15:36 pm

Hi Bobby,

yes, FCP simply was not designed to do an offline-online workflow, and redigitizing is a really tricky process. And the fact that you cannot mix different codecs in a timeline in realtime (like an offline and online clip) is stupid. So good to see that you are back in the Media 100 camp!

Floh


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Bobby MVRe: goodbye final cut, hello m100... (again)
by on Jul 26, 2006 at 6:14:07 pm

hehe, floh said "stupid".

thanks for the welcome. soo glad we didn't sell the HDX system.

bobby

Bobby Mosaedi
Multimedia Specialist, Magic Video, Inc.
Media 100HD system now online


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Michael SloweRe: goodbye final cut, hello m100... (again)
by on Jul 26, 2006 at 7:06:39 pm

Bobby, glad you have seen the light - of course it's the best! Bryce was (I think) one of the front men at Media 100 who had to keep the punters happy when all was chaos and gloom.

Can I ask you whether you are certain that version 11.5 (or even 11) will allow real time viewing of dissolves and opacity when editing in un compressed HD because my re seller in London was not as certain as you appeared to be in one of your recent posts.


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FlohRe: goodbye final cut, hello m100... (again)
by on Jul 26, 2006 at 8:56:53 pm

[Michael Slowe] "Can I ask you whether you are certain that version 11.5 (or even 11) will allow real time viewing of dissolves and opacity when editing in un compressed HD because my re seller in London was not as certain as you appeared to be in one of your recent posts."

Dissolves definitely play in realtime on a Dual2.5/HDx system with uncompressed HD on V11. Opacity breakpoints also I think, but I


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Bobby MVRe: goodbye final cut, hello m100... (again)
by on Jul 26, 2006 at 10:37:44 pm

in response to michael, i am getting real-time dissolves and any fast-fx transitions, colorfx, and time fx with HD.

I did a few tests. we do not currently own any sdi hd decks that i could capture and test footage, so i used some a legacy 10bit HD project to test real-time effects. i gota dialog box to save a new project as because of backward compatibility issues.

Everything real-time played great except an occasional glitch on a dissolve. i think this was because the two clips were acutally part of the same master clip, so maybe m100 had trouble dissolving one media file onto itself.

It also worked flawlessly with DVCPROHD footage captured in final cut pro and zipped over to the HDX system. but the only thing i havent done is capture uncompressed HD footage with v11. i imagine media encoded with v11 software and v10 software have some difference, because v10 media from HDX will not work on AJA media 100 hardware.


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FlohRe: goodbye final cut, hello m100... (again)
by on Jul 26, 2006 at 10:42:04 pm

[Bobby MV] "i imagine media encoded with v11 software and v10 software have some difference, because v10 media from HDX will not work on AJA media 100 hardware."

It is the other way round. Media captured in Aja will not play on V10/HDx. Everything you capture in V10 will play in V11 on both hardware platforms.


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Michael SloweRe: goodbye final cut, hello m100... (again)
by on Jul 27, 2006 at 9:42:44 am

Bobby and Floh, are we talking at cross purposes here? In upgrading to a version 11 I hope to be keeping the card and hardware that I currently have with my version 10. Are you answering the question about unrendered realtime dissolves etc. thinking that the new card will be in place? Sorry I can't quote the names and initials of the cards but you will know what I mean.


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FlohRe: goodbye final cut, hello m100... (again)
by on Jul 27, 2006 at 10:20:23 am

[Michael Slowe] "Bobby and Floh, are we talking at cross purposes here? In upgrading to a version 11 I hope to be keeping the card and hardware that I currently have with my version 10. Are you answering the question about unrendered realtime dissolves etc. thinking that the new card will be in place?"

Michael,

we


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FlohRe: goodbye final cut, hello m100... (again)
by on Jul 27, 2006 at 5:51:26 pm

[Michael Slowe] "Can I ask you whether you are certain that version 11.5 (or even 11) will allow real time viewing of dissolves and opacity when editing in un compressed HD because my re seller in London was not as certain as you appeared to be in one of your recent posts."

Update: As I thought, HD Clips on the V1-V99 tracks with opacity breakpoints also play back in realtime over the backg video on V11 on the old hardware.


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Michael SloweRe: goodbye final cut, hello m100... (again)
by on Jul 28, 2006 at 9:32:02 am

Floh, thanks a lot, on the ball as always, seems like 11 will be a worthwhile up date. 11.5 will have firewire capability also I believe so I might wait for that.


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