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Aindreas Gallagher
And I fold.
on Aug 30, 2014 at 1:40:04 pm

I fold. transferred job from lappie to client machine - went from AE CS6 to AE CC 2014 - client machine suddenly had to go away. There followed a variety of mad glitches installing previous AE CC version to get back to CS6...

twas magical delivery day with revisions a go go. out came credit card, bought the year in one whack with the discount. To be fair, two days overtime on the job covered it. so there's that. And I am getting a mild kick out of the total software orgy. so that's what muse looks like.
Also sign in prefs for PPro has a real ring to it.

Fight on you crazy diamonds, but I think they might get us all in the end.

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Gary Huff
Re: And I fold.
on Aug 30, 2014 at 2:43:27 pm

[Aindreas Gallagher] "I think they might get us all in the end."

Yup.


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Steve Connor
Re: And I fold.
on Aug 30, 2014 at 11:24:47 pm

So in answer to my other post, Yes, Adobe have won!

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David Lawrence
Re: And I fold.
on Aug 30, 2014 at 5:13:31 pm

[Aindreas Gallagher] "Fight on you crazy diamonds, but I think they might get us all in the end."







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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: And I fold.
on Aug 30, 2014 at 6:00:28 pm

join us david. the waters lovely. i just put 45 adobe icons on my dock. or however many I now have.

join us.







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Steve Connor
Re: And I fold.
on Aug 30, 2014 at 11:26:34 pm

Tim, you can close this one down now

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Tim Wilson
Re: And I fold.
on Aug 30, 2014 at 11:46:18 pm

[Steve Connor] "Tim, you can close this one down now"

You mean the forum?


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Andrew Kimery
Re: And I fold.
on Aug 31, 2014 at 12:32:56 am

[Tim Wilson] "You mean the forum?"

Didn't you hear? As goes Aindreas, so goes the CC or Not forum. ;)


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David Mathis
Re: And I fold.
on Aug 31, 2014 at 2:28:21 am

I find this forum rather informative and entertaining. Perhaps call it "Subscription Or Not" forum or something like that. :-)

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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: And I fold.
on Aug 31, 2014 at 1:11:03 am
Last Edited By Aindreas Gallagher on Aug 31, 2014 at 1:18:42 am

surely isn't the point that I got nabbed? I walked in with CS6 - thought I had a secure return from AECC - turns out out that they two stepped the CS file return from AE CC14 for surely utterly valid reasons and in an extremely time compressed scenario with technical glitches on the local CC install I ended up handing them the guts of half a thousand dollars for 87 applications I do not need in order to read the CC 2014 AE file back on my lappie.

I'd love if there were more heads arguing this here, although lets say - in chandos he said - Walter Soyka made the point that adobe are fighting a price ceiling of nuke in the annual thousands and a floor of five dollars for deadly serious image adjustment on iOS.

As long as adobe aren't looking to go US Comcast NFL cable sports cellular subscriptions base madness customer financially dismembering then its basically fine.

Have you checked the US subscription scenarios tho? american media and communications corporations tend to view these kinds of subscriber bases as a small mop bucket that they surround with sixty five loaded pump action shotguns. and they never stop shooting.

you should see american cellular subscribers bills. and they nominally have options. CC has a variety of monopolies written all over it two times.
there is an american culture of corporate open season on subscriber bases. they tend to leverage them in all directions.

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Gary Huff
Re: And I fold.
on Aug 31, 2014 at 3:28:48 am

[Aindreas Gallagher] "you should see american cellular subscribers bills. and they nominally have options."

Not necessarily. In my need for mobile connectivity, there are only two options: AT&T and Verizon. Everything else runs a significant risk of not providing signal when I need it in areas that are not metropolitan.


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Brian Charles
Re: And I fold.
on Aug 31, 2014 at 2:24:54 am
Last Edited By Brian Charles on Aug 31, 2014 at 5:12:03 am

[Aindreas Gallagher] "Fight on you crazy diamonds"

The poignant nod to Syd Barrett (arguably the maddest of the Floyd's) notwithstanding – I'm sorry they got ya Aindreas. I'll miss your articulate Irish gaelic ranting.



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Paul Neumann
Re: And I fold.
on Aug 31, 2014 at 2:43:48 am

And Satan sharpens his skates...


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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: And I fold.
on Sep 1, 2014 at 10:09:59 pm

yes, tad tricky to rant now that I've bent the knee.

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Dave LaRonde
Re: And I fold.
on Sep 3, 2014 at 6:32:57 pm

[Aindreas Gallagher]: “yes, tad tacky to rant now that I’ve bent the knee.”

Time for a Star Wars metaphor -- remember that even Vader became Annakin again.

Okay, it killed the guy, but still....

Dave LaRonde
Promotion Producer
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Andrew Kimery
Re: And I fold.
on Sep 3, 2014 at 10:18:01 pm

[Dave LaRonde] "Okay, it killed the guy, but still...."

The devil's in the details. haha


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Chris Pettit
Re: And I fold.
on Aug 31, 2014 at 4:15:42 am

Hmmm:







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Herbert van der wegen
Re: And I fold.
on Aug 31, 2014 at 6:55:11 am

Me, I am very happy working with alternatives now - my work situation allows it. Some are an improvement over Adobe, others are on par, and some are not as good.

As for Muse: software from the Dark Side. Avoid, unless it is used for high fidelity prototyping. I would not even touch it for (semi) professional web production work. Although I do understand the lure, especially for designers with no clue about web development.

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Rich Rubasch
Re: On Muse...
on Sep 1, 2014 at 3:03:09 am

I used Muse to build our site and it turned out great. I needed a simple interface to build our fairly simple site. Get rave reviews on the site and it has great SEO for us. I can modify it easily enough and it looks great. It is the only site I built in Muse and probably the only one I ever will.

But I enjoyed the Muse experience for this particular task. Wish there was a better blog implementation but I have a hard enough time keeping up with posts!

Onward Muse!

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Herbert van der wegen
Re: On Muse...
on Sep 2, 2014 at 4:17:20 am
Last Edited By Herbert van der wegen on Sep 2, 2014 at 4:25:05 am

Muse does make it easy for anyone to create a very visual and creative website.

But oh...! That code that Muse generates. Breaks my heart. It's truly abysmal.

Btw, I checked out your website, and if I may suggest a couple of things: avoid opening new windows for the projects, staff, etc. links. Users generally dislike that. Also, the width of 1500px will not fit on many devices and screens. And it is unclear that every photo is click-able.

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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: And I fold.
on Sep 1, 2014 at 10:07:40 pm

I was kidding - muse is unknown to me - i have one CC AE application on my dock. ok two - let's be serious; PPro is there.

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Paul Neumann
Re: And I fold.
on Sep 2, 2014 at 1:40:30 am

Take some time to discover the goodness of Prelude. It's not terribly deep, but it is extremely handy without showing off. It solves a lot of problems you run into as opposed to solving problems you don't really have.


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David Lawrence
Re: And I fold.
on Sep 2, 2014 at 7:02:06 am

[Paul Neumann] "...as opposed to solving problems you don't really have."

You mean like clip collisions? ;)

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Paul Neumann
Re: And I fold.
on Sep 2, 2014 at 1:56:47 pm

Yeah, that comes to mind.


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Chris Pettit
Re: And I fold.
on Sep 2, 2014 at 2:52:21 am

[Aindreas Gallagher] And I am getting a mild kick out of the total software orgy. so that's what muse looks like.

[Aindreas Gallagher] "I was kidding - muse is unknown to me - i have one CC AE application on my dock. ok two - let's be serious; PPro is there."

Having just had a moment to think about this....

Aindreas: I'm a true fan, really, have enjoyed your posts for quite some time. But what the hell are you saying???

Am I the only one confused?


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Rainer Schubert
Re: And I fold.
on Sep 2, 2014 at 11:56:10 am

No.


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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: And I fold.
on Sep 2, 2014 at 7:39:54 pm

that I only downloaded AE after I paid for CC - that's the one I needed on the spot.

I was joking about muse - my understanding is that its a staggeringly unsuccessful product, hence little seen.

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Gabe Strong
Re: And I fold.
on Sep 1, 2014 at 4:39:44 am

[Aindreas Gallagher] "Fight on you crazy diamonds, but I think they might get us all in the end."

Maybe a lot of us. Not all of us. Have fun with 'your' new software.

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Lance Bachelder
Re: And I fold.
on Sep 2, 2014 at 10:40:50 pm

Haha - I just unfolded. After 2 years on CC monthly I just reduced to Photoshop only and have no plans of returning to Premiere (unless it's a well paid gig where I have no say in the NLE of course).

After 3 years of love/hate it's actually FCPX that won me - it's just so much more fun to cut on and the picture and sound finishing capabilities blow away Adobe.

We'll see a year from now...

It was at a Vegas premiere that I resolved to become an avid FCPX user.

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David Mathis
Re: And I fold.
on Sep 3, 2014 at 2:33:39 am

I must say FCP X has won me over as well. So has Motion. Have mixed feelings with Photoshop, though.

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Bill Davis
Re: And I fold.
on Sep 3, 2014 at 9:13:38 am

X is SUCH a seductive little wench.

As indicated, someone might choose to leave her, but it's hard not to look back over your shoulder thinking - wow - could this have been a mistake? If I'd stuck with her, would things have actually developed into that hoped for dream of BOTH the stability of a fulfilling long term relationship - PLUS all that breathless magnetic heat?

(just teasing, of course)

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Chris Pettit
Re: And I fold.
on Sep 3, 2014 at 2:11:49 pm

I've heard nothing but good things about the latest version of X, and I've always liked motion (a least for some things). My problem is I cant go back to the Mac platform to get at them, just wish there was a PC version...


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Robert d'Alexis
Re: And I fold.
on Sep 3, 2014 at 3:54:27 pm

[Chris Pettit] "My problem is I cant go back to the Mac platform"

Just out of curiosity, what's stopping you?


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Chris Pettit
Re: And I fold.
on Sep 3, 2014 at 3:57:00 pm

[Robert d'Alexis] "
Just out of curiosity, what's stopping you?"


A lot of things, but the biggest is hardware. I do a lot of 3D and 3D rendering, the Mac machines are no where near the power of PC's. I was excited when I heard they were coming out with a new Pro machine, but it's quite a bit behind where PC processing is


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Robert d'Alexis
Re: And I fold.
on Sep 3, 2014 at 6:35:19 pm

Ok, got it.
I guess you are looking forward to the forthcoming Dell and probably HP workstations with dual-18 core CPUs, 1TB of DDR4 RAM, new multiple GPUs from AMD and Nvidia among other goodies. :-)


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Chris Pettit
Re: And I fold.
on Sep 3, 2014 at 7:24:22 pm

[Robert d'Alexis] "Ok, got it.
I guess you are looking forward to the forthcoming Dell and probably HP workstations with dual-18 core CPUs, 1TB of DDR4 RAM, new multiple GPUs from AMD and Nvidia among other goodies. :-)"


Yes, running 16 core now, will be investing in cutting my render times down by 1/2 sometime this year. Plus the inflexibility with GPU with Mac Pros makes them even less attractive.


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Gary Huff
Re: And I fold.
on Sep 3, 2014 at 10:15:00 pm

[Chris Pettit] "Plus the inflexibility with GPU with Mac Pros makes them even less attractive."

And the fact that the D500-D700s are not FirePros, but simply re-badged Radeon 7000s with extra memory.

I would assume FirePros and Quadros are more in line with what you need for that type of work.


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Chris Pettit
Re: And I fold.
on Sep 3, 2014 at 11:03:35 pm

Not familiar with FirePros, but yes on the Quadros, particularly for Enhanced Open GL in C4D


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JP Pelc
Re: And I fold.
on Sep 5, 2014 at 3:01:10 pm

:O

links??


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Tim Wilson
Re: And I fold.
on Sep 9, 2014 at 2:29:15 am

If I may say, Creative COW's coverage of the new HP beasts is better. :-)


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Lance Bachelder
Re: And I fold.
on Sep 4, 2014 at 5:26:29 am

I concur - if I was really sold on Premiere and CC I'd much rather be 10% PC with all the awesome tech on the horizon and being stuck in the AMD world vs. nVidia kinda sucks.

BUT - was cutting today in both CC and FCPX and it was eons better to work in FCPX than Premiere - literally everything was better, more-refined et cetera ad nauseum in X...

It was at a Vegas premiere that I resolved to become an avid FCPX user.

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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: And I fold.
on Sep 5, 2014 at 8:42:27 pm

minor spiel: the thing is I don't believe X can work in all use cases.

I think X is like an incredibly well tailored environment that no editor has ever been offered to now, down to storyline vernacular and sharp modalities in terms of available keyboard driven edit targets that would be a nightmare in any other edit system.

I think anyone can buy the power of the footage organisation (lawrence has), but I find it incredibly hard to live in the timeline - and I think they are twinned pair.
VA lozenges are a prerequisite for the overall structure, and I think it is an overall limited structure - say taking in a cartoon with a bunch of separate voice and M&E channels, I don't think the whole thing can work in the X paradigm if you're cutting in all over the place and shifting audio stuff for short form pacing and timing.

they can't all be in an X lozenge, but neither can you explode all the audio into unrelated unsynced items. You need the shared upstairs downstairs track relationship that can come and go.

I think there are use cases where X plays like gang busters, and maybe if everyone agreed, a ton of arcane processes in X could become short hand - but that's not realistically going to happen. because there is premiere - and it kicks ass.
ITV studios just spent an evening playing Bach really loudly to all their avid editors with forcibly open eyeballs while showing flash frame shots of the premiere pro interface.

Premiere seems immensely powerful, can shine look up tables with effects down off adjustment layers onto an edit in realtime, has top hole keyframing, plays literally anything with realtime JKL, and also has a really interesting structure that allows custom client panels to access and modify the GUI at will.

I rather hate that I'm on the subscription if only that I can't run a rant on it - but anyone who doesn't think that adobe are murderously serious about gaining critical centre ground on media generation is having a laugh.

that said, X is a total madman and everyone should wish it the absolute best of health.

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Tim Wilson
Re: And I fold.
on Sep 6, 2014 at 5:12:00 am

[Aindreas Gallagher] "ITV studios just spent an evening playing Bach really loudly to all their avid editors with forcibly open eyeballs while showing flash frame shots of the premiere pro interface. "

You've referred to that a couple of times, but I don't know the story. Can you fill me in?



[Aindreas Gallagher] "I rather hate that I'm on the subscription if only that I can't run a rant on it"

You are seriously not telling me that customers can't also rant. Insert a pithy observation here about the existence of Creative COW, along with a witty suggestion for a new name for this forum.]


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Andrew Kimery
Re: And I fold.
on Sep 6, 2014 at 6:12:53 am

[Tim Wilson] "You've referred to that a couple of times, but I don't know the story. Can you fill me in?
"


"A Clockwork Orange"?


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Tim Wilson
Re: And I fold.
on Sep 6, 2014 at 7:14:12 am

[Andrew Kimery] ""A Clockwork Orange"?"

Yes, I remember the movie...but just NOW remembered the event that Aindreas was referring to. It had its own thread six weeks ago or so.


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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: And I fold.
on Sep 6, 2014 at 7:37:37 pm

Yep yep. That's the fellah. Caused a fair stir at the time. More premiere everywhere please.

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Steve Connor
Re: And I fold.
on Sep 6, 2014 at 7:53:19 pm

Now you've folded Aindreas it must be nice to finally let rip with your enthusiasm for PPro!


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Dave LaRonde
Re: And I fold.
on Sep 16, 2014 at 5:18:33 pm

...and it's wasn't Bach. It was Beethoven Symphony #9, the fourth movement, to be precise.

Dave LaRonde
Promotion Producer
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David Mathis
Re: And I fold.
on Sep 7, 2014 at 3:22:05 am

Witty name: Adobe Creative Cloud: Why Not?

Only thing I could think of at the moment. :-)


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Chris Harlan
Re: And I fold.
on Sep 10, 2014 at 6:35:40 pm

At last! Here's a loving cup:







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