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Oliver Peters
Some FCP X Qs
on Nov 6, 2011 at 3:08:40 pm

Some questions and some observations from an FCP X job yesterday. A few of these are subjective and I haven't had a chance to thoroughly test them, but I'm curious if others have seen these issues or have some answers.

1. Any way to set rendering to uncompressed? Or to export via Share as uncompressed?

2. Any thoughts on why render files are lost?

3. I placed DV (480) clips into a 486 timeline. Spatial Conform Fit or Fill softens, so I set it to None. In FCP 7 as I recall, it would add a shift for proper vertical resolution. FCP X doesn't, so I manually shifted the image. Any rhyme or reason to the X/Y numbering? It says PX (pixels) but this clearly isn't true. From completely off screen top to bottom, the Y range is from -100 to +100, so a 1px shift is really something like 10 pixels. I used .2 and that seemed to look about right.

4. Tight audio edits within a VO track (48K AIFF) seem to induce pops. Not actually clicks or pops, but just not a seamless-sounding edit. I still had to add 2-frame crossfades to make it sound clean. The same edit in STP would have sounded fine without crossfades.

5. Audio mixing, especially when you apply compression, sounds a bit harsh to me. The same values in STP would have resulted in a better sounded mix. Bear in mind this is just an impression at this point. Further testing is needed.

6. ProRes exports passed through Squeeze or Compressor to generate H264 review files seem to be darker than the same process when files are exported from FCP7. Again, I need to do more testing, but I wonder if the Colorsync profile is messing things up.

7. Any way to enter In and Out points by timecode in an event clip?

Thoughts?

- Oliver

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Tom Wolsky
Re: Some FCP X Qs
on Nov 6, 2011 at 3:42:09 pm

1. Yes, in project properties Cmd-J. Yes, in export media. Change current settings.

7. Click in the Dashboard or press Control-P.

All the best,

Tom

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Oliver Peters
Re: Some FCP X Qs
on Nov 6, 2011 at 3:51:17 pm

"Yes, in project properties Cmd-J. Yes, in export media. Change current settings"

Thanks. Yes, I see, but the render option is only 10-bit. No 8-bit option. Oh well. On export, though, I only see ProRes, H264 or IMX. No uncompressed options.

"Click in the Dashboard or press Control-P."

Aah, got it. Wish you didn't have to do Ctrl-P for each entry, though.

Thanks,
Oliver

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Tom Wolsky
Re: Some FCP X Qs
on Nov 6, 2011 at 4:00:39 pm

1. You're right. I thought there was an uncompressed out.

2. Or click in the Dashboard and type the number.

All the best,

Tom

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Jeremy Garchow
Re: Some FCP X Qs
on Nov 6, 2011 at 8:03:33 pm

[Oliver Peters] "Aah, got it. Wish you didn't have to do Ctrl-P for each entry, though."

I've remapped control-p to the keypad enter key. Much faster and less awkward.

When do your render files go missing?

Yes, the pixel value thing is nothing short of odd.

Great point about dv, does motion have a publishable shift fields filter? I'm away from an FCPX machine.


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Oliver Peters
Re: Some FCP X Qs
on Nov 7, 2011 at 12:47:44 am

"When do your render files go missing?"

When I exit the app and later relaunch to come back to it. Things that were renders aren't.

"does motion have a publishable shift fields filter?"

Don't know. Haven't checked.

- Oliver

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David Lawrence
Re: Some FCP X Qs
on Nov 6, 2011 at 7:21:34 pm

[Oliver Peters] "4. Tight audio edits within a VO track (48K AIFF) seem to induce pops. Not actually clicks or pops, but just not a seamless-sounding edit. I still had to add 2-frame crossfades to make it sound clean. The same edit in STP would have sounded fine without crossfades.

5. Audio mixing, especially when you apply compression, sounds a bit harsh to me. The same values in STP would have resulted in a better sounded mix. Bear in mind this is just an impression at this point. Further testing is needed."


I've noticed the same thing. Harsher sounding mixes and pops at cut points -- especially with dialogue cutting. Quite a few people have said FCPX is superior to FCP7/STP for audio. That has not been my experience so far.

BTW, I'm curious -- you said you were using 2-frame crossfades to smooth the pops. How did you get that to work? When I try to make a 2-frame crossfade, FCPX won't let me. It changes it to 3-frames. Not the same thing.

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Steve Connor
Re: Some FCP X Qs
on Nov 6, 2011 at 11:28:23 pm

The "drag handles" on the audio tracks go to 1 frame.

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David Lawrence
Re: Some FCP X Qs
on Nov 6, 2011 at 11:53:02 pm

[Steve Connor] "The "drag handles" on the audio tracks go to 1 frame."

Yes but that's not what I'm talking about. It's a huge PITA to stack, overlap, adjust, etc.

I just want a 2-frame cross-dissolve between clips. Is it possible?

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Oliver Peters
Re: Some FCP X Qs
on Nov 7, 2011 at 12:44:08 am

"BTW, I'm curious -- you said you were using 2-frame crossfades to smooth the pops. How did you get that to work? When I try to make a 2-frame crossfade, FCPX won't let me. It changes it to 3-frames. Not the same thing."

Shoot! You're right. I typed in a duration of 2 and didn't actually check. Now I see that you can't make the crossfade (dissolve) shorter than 3 frames. That's what the result is even if you typed 2.

- Oliver

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Oliver Peters
Re: Some FCP X Qs
on Nov 7, 2011 at 1:25:43 am

I was incorrect about video levels. ProRes exports from both FCP 7 and FCP X result in darker H264 encodes via Squeeze. Note the the top two sections of the attached file. The darkest chips are crushed. The usual Apple gamma crap. The uncompressed section (bottom third) is clean and not crushed. Also look carefully and note the thin horizontal lines in the ProRes sources. Yuk!



- Oliver

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Jeremy Garchow
Re: Some FCP X Qs
on Nov 7, 2011 at 1:37:09 am

So, squeeze seems to be an issue here?


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Oliver Peters
Re: Some FCP X Qs
on Nov 7, 2011 at 1:53:37 am

"So, squeeze seems to be an issue here?"

Yes and no. I think it's a matter of how ProRes gamma is interpreted by programs other than Apple's own. Clearly uncompressed is fine. I did another set of tests and ProRes to H264 through Compressor and as a Media Export is fine.

- Oliver

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Jeremy Garchow
Re: Some FCP X Qs
on Nov 7, 2011 at 2:25:41 am

What OS are you using?

I wonder if this has anything to do with those new codecs ?

Have you downloaded these? http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1396


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Oliver Peters
Re: Some FCP X Qs
on Nov 7, 2011 at 12:34:57 pm

What OS are you using?I wonder if this has anything to do with those new codecs ?

10.6.8. And yes on the codecs.

Oliver

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David Lawrence
Re: Some FCP X Qs
on Nov 7, 2011 at 3:08:28 am

[Oliver Peters] "Shoot! You're right. I typed in a duration of 2 and didn't actually check. Now I see that you can't make the crossfade (dissolve) shorter than 3 frames. That's what the result is even if you typed 2."

Yep, that's what I get.

2-frame dissolves are important! If you use them as much as I do, please make a feature request so I'm not the only one asking them to fix this.

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Tony Silanskas
Re: Some FCP X Qs
on Nov 7, 2011 at 6:34:49 am

For your first question, have you tried the "send to compressor" route and delete your render files before hand so it re-renders with whatever settings you choose in compressor? Not a fan of "send to compressor" as it crashes on me all the time and it's slow but may get you uncompressed. Haven't tested this though.

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Oliver Peters
Re: Some FCP X Qs
on Nov 7, 2011 at 12:37:28 pm

[Tony Silanskas] "For your first question, have you tried the "send to compressor" route and delete your render files before hand so it re-renders with whatever settings you choose in compressor? Not a fan of "send to compressor" as it crashes on me all the time and it's slow but may get you uncompressed. "

I haven't tried that but it should work. Kind of defeats the purpose though. ;-)

Oliver

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Oliver Peters
Re: Some FCP X Qs
on Nov 10, 2011 at 1:17:56 am

One "duh!" answer is to the "uncompressed" question. Set the project's render format to "uncompressed 10-bit" and then export using "current settings". The resulting exported file will be 10-bit uncompressed. No 8-bit option without going through Compressor.

- Oliver

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