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Oliver Peters
Working from home
on Mar 17, 2020 at 12:32:18 pm

FCPco offers some pointers

https://www.fcp.co/final-cut-pro/articles/2248-remote-working-learning-a-li...

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Oliver Peters
Re: Working from home
on Mar 17, 2020 at 1:12:23 pm

And this:

https://www.provideocoalition.com/talking-remote-editing-with-the-expert-mi...

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Oliver Peters
Re: Working from home
on Mar 17, 2020 at 1:13:55 pm

Another link:

https://blog.frame.io/2020/03/09/hpa-cloud-workflows/

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Oliver Peters
Re: Working from home
on Mar 17, 2020 at 2:29:51 pm
Last Edited By Oliver Peters on Mar 17, 2020 at 2:47:13 pm

Links to some actual, working remote/cloud/collaboration solutions:

Avid
https://www.avid.com/products/media-composer-cloud-remote

Blackbird
https://www.blackbird.video/

BeBop
https://beboptechnology.com/

Aframe
https://aframe.com/

Postlab
https://hedge.video/postlab
https://digitalfilms.wordpress.com/2020/03/07/a-first-look-at-postlab-cloud...

Adobe Anywhere / Team Projects
https://www.adobe.com/mt/products/adobeanywhere/faq.html
https://www.adobe.com/creativecloud/team-projects.html

Zync Render
https://www.zyncrender.com/

The Foundry (Nuke)
https://www.foundry.com/insights/cloud/working-remote-foundry-tools

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Oliver Peters
Re: Working from home
on Mar 17, 2020 at 7:51:01 pm
Last Edited By Oliver Peters on Mar 17, 2020 at 7:59:16 pm

From a link in the PVC article.

https://blog.frame.io/2020/03/16/best-practices-remote-post-production-work...

And make sure to listen to the podcast linked at the bottom of the PVC article. Michael answers must of the questions.

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Morten Carlsen
Re: Working from home
on Mar 18, 2020 at 11:24:23 am

In times like those which we're facing now it is nice to see how people, businesses and forums come together the way they do !

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Jim Curtis
Re: Working from home
on Mar 18, 2020 at 3:37:42 pm

I haven't looked at all your links, yet. I've been working from home for 25 years. I've been using email and Vimeo for client review. I have several clients in BIG companies whose firewalls won't let them use Google Drive, Hightail, DropBox, etc., but Vimeo is OK. I even have to use Vimeo to deliver masters - not my choice, since the possibility they'll download one of the lower res transcodes is a possibility.

That said, Vimeo's customer service is lacking. I feel forced into using them, and felt forced into upgrading my tier of service because Notifications are unreliable in their Plus tier. But, I looked at some other review and delivery services, and Vimeo is very competitive, price and feature-wise. It allows you to embed your videos on your web site. That's nice, too.

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Oliver Peters
Re: Working from home
on Mar 18, 2020 at 4:05:56 pm

[Jim Curtis] "That said, Vimeo's customer service is lacking. I feel forced into using them, and felt forced into upgrading my tier of service because Notifications are unreliable in their Plus tier. But, I looked at some other review and delivery services, and Vimeo is very competitive, price and feature-wise. It allows you to embed your videos on your web site. That's nice, too."

You should look at Frame.io. It's a much more professional approach.

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Oliver Peters
Re: Working from home
on Mar 18, 2020 at 4:07:30 pm

Any no sooner did I type that, than a Frame promo e-mail hit my inbox.

https://blog.frame.io/2020/03/18/frameio-covid-19-response/

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Oliver Peters
Re: Working from home
on Mar 18, 2020 at 4:17:00 pm

Another thing to look at is the Axle integration with your storage. If you have a NAS at the facility and you have Axle installed as asset management software, you can designate which files are managed by Axle. It generates its own viewing proxies.

If that system has internet access, then you can remote directly into your NAS over the internet from home or elsewhere. From there you can view and manage files, depending on permissions. This wouldn't be for remote editing, but could be useful if you want to get to your files from home.

I believe QNAP also offer similar functions through one of their own apps. That's a Bob Zelin question.

http://axle.ai/

https://www.qnap.com/en-us/

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Jim Curtis
Re: Working from home
on Mar 18, 2020 at 4:22:11 pm

[Oliver Peters] "You should look at Frame.io. It's a much more professional approach."

I agree. I researched them and Kollaborate and a few others. But, again, some choices are eliminated for me because of stringent corporate firewalls. Vimeo Pro is working fine so far.

Ironically, one of my clients, who is the biggest name in telecommunications on the planet (Is that enough of a hint?) doesn't have gigabit internet internally at their corporate HQ. You can imagine that their IT department is gargantuan, and the dungeon-masters in IT say what goes in and out and what doesn't.

Funny off-topic story. To me, anyway. I was grilled for over an hour by a security guy at this company about what I do to protect their IP. I had to keep telling him that I work only with marketing, and we WANT people to know what we're doing. The more people that know, and the more they know the better.

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Oliver Peters
Re: Working from home
on Mar 20, 2020 at 8:29:10 pm

Boiling everything down

https://www.creativeplanetnetwork.com/news/news-features/howto/workflows-fr...

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Oliver Peters
Re: Working from home
on Mar 21, 2020 at 1:45:30 am

For the Avid editors in the crowd

https://www.avid.com/remote-work

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Mark Raudonis
Re: Working from home
on Mar 21, 2020 at 11:46:37 pm

Oliver,

Great summary. Very helpful for everyone at this time.

I noticed you didn't mention: Hewlett Packard's buit in "RGS". It's getting a lot of attention here in Los Angeles, with multiple facilities deploying them in the hundreds! We just did a test drive this morning, and to quote Larry David, "It's pretty, pretty... good!"

Here's the link: https://www8.hp.com/us/en/workstations/zcentral-remote-boost.html

I'm gonna start a separate thread called, "Cupertino, we've got a problem!". It seems to me that PC based systems are way ahead of Mac's when it comes to "remote control" over a WAN.

Stay isolated. Stay healthy.

Mark



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Oliver Peters
Re: Working from home
on Mar 22, 2020 at 1:19:40 am

[Mark Raudonis] "I noticed you didn't mention: Hewlett Packard's buit in "RGS". "

I didn't really know enough about it and it's not a solution if you haven't already made that investment and have it ready. But I'm not 100% clear from the link what it does. I get how it would work within a shop, but how responsive through internet connections?

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Mark Raudonis
Re: Working from home
on Mar 22, 2020 at 3:55:36 am

[Oliver Peters] "how responsive through internet connections?"

Good enough to edit with! Might be the holy grail everyone is looking for right now.

Testing now.


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Oliver Peters
Re: Working from home
on Mar 22, 2020 at 2:58:01 pm

[Mark Raudonis] "Good enough to edit with! Might be the holy grail everyone is looking for right now."

So what are you editing? Proxy files? If you send a multicam stream to the editor, I imagine the GPU is crunching that together on the remote machine and sending a single stream back to the editor. How is that stream compressed/throttled in order to see it in realtime at full frame rate at home?

As I understand it - and again their website is very vague - you're running a virtual machine to drive the actual machine located in the plant. Honestly, I'm out of my depth, so that could be completely wrong. If you are doing this from home and not the other side of the building, what is your connection from home into the machine?

Don't you still have to have assistant editors on-prem in order to ingest files and do other media management?

How is this different than Avid's remote editing solution through Media Central or the defunct Adobe Anywhere?

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Neil Goodman
Re: Working from home
on Mar 23, 2020 at 10:18:35 pm

[Oliver Peters] "[Mark Raudonis] "I noticed you didn't mention: Hewlett Packard's buit in "RGS". "

I didn't really know enough about it and it's not a solution if you haven't already made that investment and have it ready. But I'm not 100% clear from the link what it does. I get how it would work within a shop, but how responsive through internet connections?

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im trying to use this now. my mouse keeps dissapearing - no way to use dual monitors or sound interfaces/ video put boxes. Its not a workable solution IMO.

if anyone has any tips or tricks, id love to thear them. we only have to do this becuae we finish out of house and the finishing house is requesting it.


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Morten Carlsen
Re: Working from home
on Mar 22, 2020 at 4:58:49 pm

[Mark Raudonis] "I'm gonna start a separate thread called, "Cupertino, we've got a problem!". It seems to me that PC based systems are way ahead of Mac's when it comes to "remote control" over a WAN."

Cupertino has a LOT of problems in the Pro Sector - Speed would be one where Windows blow macOS out the water. Since Apple began doing their iOS must be included in macOS-Thing... Things started to go bad for Pro Users on Mac.

With Catalina and its obvious slowness compared with even macOS Sierra I am looking more and more to the windows side of things. And I have been using Macs since 1994. I would hate to switch but if Apple doesn't do something I will !

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Santanu Bhattacharjee
Re: Working from home
on Mar 31, 2020 at 8:20:00 pm

I work with Big Banks and run into similar problems. Their systems and laptops are horribly firewalled that literally nothing works. No Drive, No Cloud, Not even Pen Drives. I feel like gifting them a PC to watch the contents I create for them. Fortunately, I could convince their IT guys to keep a spare test PC in their server room where they could walk up to see the content!

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greg janza
Re: Working from home
on Mar 23, 2020 at 10:33:49 pm
Last Edited By greg janza on Mar 23, 2020 at 10:53:28 pm

[Oliver Peters] "You should look at Frame.io. It's a much more professional approach.
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I've used both Frame.io and Vimeo extensively. While I agree Frame.io is a robust solution for client review, it's worth noting that one area where Frame.io is lacking is in total storage. Both Vimeo and Frame.io offer $20/month basic plans. Vimeo offers 1 terabyte of storage while Frame.io offers only 250 gigs. And even if you upgrade to the next level of frame.io for $50/month you will still only get 250 gigs of storage. For those that collaborate with colorists, motion graphics artists and others on projects, it's possible to use up 250 gigs very quickly.

Vimeo also has very robust analytics. So it's important to weigh whichever option serves your individual needs the best.

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Oliver Peters
Re: Working from home
on Mar 23, 2020 at 11:23:41 pm

[greg janza] "For those that collaborate with colorists, motion graphics artists and others on projects, it's possible to use up 250 gigs very quickly."

None of these services is currently at a place where the workplace or price makes any sense if you want to move a large amount of native, full-res media through them. They are R&A sites that can also function to move proxy files. Or a short ProRes, DNx master, submaster, etc. That's the biggest stumbling block right now. Someone still has to go into the office and it's easier/faster/cheaper to ship drives.

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greg janza
Re: Working from home
on Mar 23, 2020 at 11:34:06 pm

In general Oliver, I agree. I do still think people need to weigh the pros and cons of each. Both Vimeo and Frame.io are viable options and both offer very robust feature sets.

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Jim Curtis
Re: Working from home
on Mar 23, 2020 at 11:37:54 pm

HighTail has a review function. Their 1 TB storage plan is reasonably priced, IMO. They have a 25GB per transfer limit, which is higher than all the file transfer services I looked at. That's helped me work from home. I can send a link to shooters and producers, and it's a simple drag and drop to the link from their end.

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Oliver Peters
Re: Working from home
on Mar 24, 2020 at 5:27:58 pm

Frame IO is ramping up their marketing blitz on this with a series of informational tutorials. I’m not sure this applies much to the way many of us currently work; however, it’s definitely something to be aware of. His described workflow is more applicable to film studio productions. But, these and other scenarios will get increasingly bigger pushes in the foreseeable future in our business.

Here are the first two videos in a series. Intro and Ep 1.













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Mark Raudonis
Re: Working from home
on Mar 25, 2020 at 1:27:26 am

Frame iO is definitely on it!

Kudos to Michael Cioni and his team. This is very helpful information.



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Oliver Peters
Re: Working from home
on Mar 25, 2020 at 2:31:35 pm

And now Postlab for Premiere Pro users.

https://medium.hedgeformac.com/postlab-adds-premiere-pro-and-more-2f7c4aa03...

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Oliver Peters
Re: Working from home
on Mar 27, 2020 at 4:49:24 pm

This video was posted yesterday.







It's recap discussion of the HPA proof-of-concept workflow. However, I've cued it to the point where they are talking about Eclipse Technology. It's a very interesting Resolve / Frame integration.

https://www.eclipsetech.co/

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Oliver Peters
Re: Working from home
on Mar 27, 2020 at 5:17:39 pm

This process won't help everyone. If you haven't already taken these steps, it probably won't help now. But it will help you in the future.

Our media is all on a NAS for day-to-day work. However we routinely follow these steps:

1. New dailies media from a shoot is stored on the NAS.
2. The same dailies (after being organized for the project) are archived on raw drives.
3. Ongoing Premiere project files are backed up daily to DropBox (just for extra protection).
4. When done/locked/delivered the remaining elements (project file, music, grfx, etc) are added to the raw archive drive.
5. That project folder is also moved to a "backed up" folder on the NAS after the archive copy is complete. Oldest backed up folders are deleted when space is needed on the NAS.

At any given time, if needed, we can fully restore the project to the NAS from the drive. We currently have 205 drives ranging from 2TB to 8TB in capacity. Yesterday I took 14 drives home (about 78TB) with the media that we could potentially need in the near term. Although we never envisioned the archive drives to be used in a situation like this, it is totally appropriate. Hope this helps someone in the future.

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Glenn Sakatch
Re: Working from home
on Mar 27, 2020 at 10:05:18 pm

"HighTail has a review function. Their 1 TB storage plan is reasonably priced, IMO. They have a 25GB per transfer limit, which is higher than all the file transfer services I looked at."


I pay for smash instead of hightail. No transfer restriction.

Even their free version is pretty good size wise compared to others.

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Oliver Peters
Re: Working from home
on Mar 31, 2020 at 7:28:46 pm

Part 2







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Michael Hoefler
Re: Working from home
on Apr 2, 2020 at 12:44:48 pm

Hello
I am reading/watching all the links with a lot of interest. But I want to mention a solution we are using for more than five years successfully for sharing our projects and footage.

I am the only internal editor and I am working with 3 Freelancers. In our studio, we have an old Macpro (2009) acting as a server to provide 24h access to our projects through Resilio Sync.

https://www.resilio.com/sync-business/

It is fast, reliable, and P2P (no cloud server) is needed. We never had an issue, we never lost data, we never had a corrupted project. And it is not expensive.
I wonder, based on our very positive experience, why this is not mentioned as an option here for a remote workflow.

Take care.

Michael


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Bob Zelin
Re: Working from home
on Apr 2, 2020 at 5:16:43 pm

Hi Michael -

so you are transferring 1TB of data over Resilio sync every evening ?

When your editors need 500 - 600 Gigs for that latest shoot, they just go to Resilio, and download
that 500 - 600 Gigs, and they are ready to edit the next morning ?

Are you working with 4K media ? ProRes, or MXF ?

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Michael Hoefler
Re: Working from home
on Apr 3, 2020 at 12:55:25 pm

Hello Bob

Ok. We are working on Corporate video. It may be different from your needs.
Our project data volume is between 50GB and 800GB. We are working with HD, UHD, and 6k BRAW.

First, I do create proxies. The editors sync the proxies and start editing. Then, after they synced the proxies, they start syncing the raw video data. So, over 2 or 3 days, they have even the 800GB of raw data synced to their workstations. There is no need to sync all raw data within some hours. And, we are using Adobe Teams. If we have projects over one or 2TB, they just work with the proxies and me on my workstation open the team project (which has the raw data connected) and export the final videos.

Don't forget; I don't have to upload first to a server. It is P2P for over 95% of the time. Sometimes the connection switches to a Relay server. Then the speed is dropping down.
But like with all solutions, the bandwidth has to be fast.

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Darren Roark
Re: Working from home
on Apr 2, 2020 at 10:15:37 pm

It is fast, reliable, and P2P (no cloud server) is needed. We never had an issue, we never lost data, we never had a corrupted project. And it is not expensive.

I have AT&T fiber 1gig as of November, 950Mbp/s up and down. Some of the file transfer solutions mentioned cap out around 100Mbp/s which is why I was looking for P2P solutions with end to end encryption.

That and I don't like the idea of a 3rd party having access to my files. (Zoom was recently called out on this)

If this does fall within the guidelines of MPAA compliance this could be a great solve.

I'm assuming you don't need to upload files before another user downloads them correct? That alone would be a huge time savings.


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Michael Hoefler
Re: Working from home
on Apr 3, 2020 at 1:07:25 pm

Hello Darren

95% of the time, it is a P2P solution. Sometimes, depending on the connection, firewall settings it uses a relay server. But this doesn't mean you have to upload. It is just slower because a third server handles the connection.

MPAA compliance. I am not sure about this. We are here in Switzerland and doing only corporate video.
If we have to edit a confidential project we are editing it inhouse.

I don't know if this solution fits needs outside our small corporate world but I was surprised that a P2P solution is not discussed here at CC.

Michael


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Bob Zelin
Re: Working from home
on Apr 3, 2020 at 8:41:58 pm

Hi Michael -
thank you for your reply. From my experience, the bandwidth here in the United States is incredibly poor for most users, compared to other parts of the world. A typical "fast" connection of 100 Mb/sec is only 12.5 MB/sec. And even a "fancy" 300 Mb/sec upload speed here is only 37.5 MB/sec - so for most of us here in the US - it's slow. I don't care if it's Resilio or another solution. We are at the mercy of the Internet Service Provider speeds, and they are not good. I have seen true 1G connections from Google Fiber which is not available in most major cities in the United States, and it's incredible that professionals cannot even purchase this here. This is the "weak link in the chain".

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greg janza
Re: Working from home
on Apr 3, 2020 at 10:55:04 pm

[Michael Hoefler] "I don't know if this solution fits needs outside our small corporate world but I was surprised that a P2P solution is not discussed here at CC."

I use Resilio to keep two raids mirrored and it works extremely well. I would imagine it would also work very well for remote editors to stay in sync.

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Tim Wilson
Re: Working from home
on Apr 4, 2020 at 2:59:05 am

[Michael Hoefler] "If we have to edit a confidential project we are editing it inhouse."

This is one of the things that American producers will need to wrap their heads around in the future. Or they may decide not to, because the current status is working well enough....

...but the reality is that many VFX and post houses are contractually forbidden from connecting their project machines to the internet. Access to working suites are by keycard, and only a few people have access. ALL of them need to be onsite, even if only one at a time. There's no getting around this.

Maybe that will work out well enough, but it seems unnecessary to me. It's only a movie. The world won't end if somebody sees a superhero's new leotard a couple of months ahead of schedule, but business as a usual may well be a threat the stability of the republic going forward. We're not there now, which makes this the perfect time to think about it. Why is secure VPN not secure enough? What's the new, more secure protocol that we need?

Or is the problem that these guys just need to get their heads out of their own butts and decide that remote editing is something that they can conceptually live with. The only problems MIGHT be in their heads, but I'd need some of you folks to weigh in.

I'm especially interested in your thoughts on this, Mark. I know that Bunim/Murray isn't Marvel, but you're still working with material that's worth a lot of dough to a lot of people, and you're doing it all remotely. Can you comment on the IP security management issues that you've been talking about in-house without revealing any trade secrets?


[greg janza] "I use Resilio to keep two raids mirrored and it works extremely well."

Greg, I noticed that Bob specifically mentioned Resilio as a solution that won't work for a lot of people who don't live in a good internet market. That's pretty much the only kind I've ever lived in. LOL

Can you tell us a little more about where you are, what kinds of speeds you get, and the kinds of things that you're doing with Resilio? I think we all have a lot more to learn about the difference between what's on a company's website, and how it's working for customers in the world.

And Bob, if you have examples of folks who've tried Resilio and found it wanting in their specific applications, I'd sure love to hear about that too. Details, people! We need details! 🤣


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greg janza
Re: Working from home
on Apr 4, 2020 at 8:36:12 pm

[Tim Wilson] "Can you tell us a little more about where you are, what kinds of speeds you get, and the kinds of things that you're doing with Resilio? I think we all have a lot more to learn about the difference between what's on a company's website, and how it's working for customers in the world.
"


I'm no expert on Resilio but I have used it quite a bit. In my home studio I have two 12 terabyte raids in a raid 0 configuration so the second raid is simply a mirror. I researched a fair number of utility programs that would keep both raids in perfect sync and I found that Resilio was the best solution for me. It's also very reasonably priced. And for those who haven't heard of it, Resilio is the legitimate business application of what was previously BitTorrent sync.

The best way to think about it is a continually running backup program that operates as a background process. For awhile I had two edit systems and so the two raids were being mirrored through a private ethernet network. I would guess I was getting around 100 MBPS transfer speed. I've added a laptop edit system which I sometimes use one of the raids with and so Resilio then works wifi only and I would estimate around 10MBPS transfer speed.

The key here isn't speed obviously. It's not impressively fast but it's strength is in syncing with local hosts and more importantly remote hosts. Cloud applications like Frame.io have gotten the lion share of attention with all of the features that are offered and the simplicity of a web based client management platform. Resilio's strength is that it has no data usage limitations. I would think the only limitation would be if your ISP has monthly data caps.

There's also Resilio Connect which is their scalable remote data access app. This is enterprise level and I haven't tried it out personally but it looks to be tailored for remote media work with a centralized media server.

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