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Jeff Feaz
Why does transition on connected clip affect primary storyline clip too?
on Sep 1, 2017 at 11:06:57 pm

Hey Friends!

I'm trying to use a push transition on a still image that's in the timeline as a connected clip. This is just a single item that I want to push in and out as a PIP element.

The problem is that the push acts as a transition between the connected still image and the main clip it's connected to on the primary storyline. So instead of getting an image that flies into the frame and back out, I see the entire main frame push itself out twice. The push transition at least appears to only be applied to the connected clip.

Also, I'm not sure if this would have been the solution, but the option to create a secondary storyline is grayed out.

Does anyone know how you make a transition only apply to the connected clip it's applied to and not it's host clip?

Thanks!


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Andreas Kiel
Re: Why does transition on connected clip affect primary storyline clip too?
on Sep 2, 2017 at 12:42:01 am

Depending on the kind of clip it's normal behavior.
try to put those clips into a secondary storyline.

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John Rofrano
Re: Why does transition on connected clip affect primary storyline clip too?
on Sep 2, 2017 at 2:31:13 am

[Jeff Feaz] "I'm trying to use a push transition on a still image that's in the timeline as a connected clip. This is just a single item that I want to push in and out as a PIP element. "
By definition, a Push moves both videos because one "pushes" the other on/off of the screen. That is why the primary storyline is affected.

I believe you want to use a Slide transition which will slide one over as the other stays in place.

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Jeff Feaz
Re: Why does transition on connected clip affect primary storyline clip too?
on Sep 2, 2017 at 5:33:01 pm

Very helpful responses - thank you.

Any idea why the "Create Storyline" option is grayed out?


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John Rofrano
Re: Why does transition on connected clip affect primary storyline clip too?
on Sep 3, 2017 at 3:51:42 pm
Last Edited By John Rofrano on Sep 3, 2017 at 3:52:38 pm

[Jeff Feaz] "Any idea why the "Create Storyline" option is grayed out?"
Yea, I believe it's because it is already a Secondary Storyline. Connected clips cannot have transitions all by themselves. When you drop a transition on a connected clip, FCP X creates a secondary storyline and adds the transition to that. So you already created a secondary storyline by adding the transition which is why creating secondary storyline is greyed out.



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Jeff Feaz
Re: Why does transition on connected clip affect primary storyline clip too?
on Sep 5, 2017 at 3:48:58 pm

Thanks!

In my case, I used John's suggestion above and changed it to a slide transition, which met my needs.

The connected clip indeed was already converted to a secondary storyline like you said, but that didn't resolve the issue of the push transition also affecting the primary storyline. I guess it's a question for another day.

Thanks everyone for your help!


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John Rofrano
Re: Why does transition on connected clip affect primary storyline clip too?
on Sep 6, 2017 at 4:55:08 am

[Jeff Feaz] "In my case, I used John's suggestion above and changed it to a slide transition, which met my needs."
Glad that worked for you.

~jr

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Robin S. Kurz
Re: Why does transition on connected clip affect primary storyline clip too?
on Sep 12, 2017 at 10:54:01 am
Last Edited By Robin S. Kurz on Sep 12, 2017 at 11:07:51 am

[Jeff Feaz] "that didn't resolve the issue of the push transition also affecting the primary storyline."

I'm not seeing that with the "Push" transition here, nor should anyone for that matter. What am I missing? Or are you applying it to a title?


EDIT:
oh wait… a push of just ONE clip/image on the secondary, not between two? Okay. Yeah, the only way to avoid that would be to compound… OR, which I think will usually be more preferable to a compound, push between another clip/image whose opacity is set to 0 as a somewhat silly workaround. Oddly it doesn't work with gap clips, which it should.

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Bill Davis
Re: Why does transition on connected clip affect primary storyline clip too?
on Sep 3, 2017 at 8:20:50 pm

Jeff,

One of the subtle indicators that it's important to learn to notice in X is "the shelf" - the gray bar that indicates a secondary storyline.

Quite a few actions ( such as adding a transition) results in that clip becoming a secondary storyline automatically.

The Shelf is practical as well, since selecting and dragging it moves the entire secondary assembly as a unit.

Lots to learn in X. Keep going!

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Tony West
Re: Why does transition on connected clip affect primary storyline clip too?
on Sep 7, 2017 at 12:50:56 pm

I have had others ask me about this and I actually made a little video about it.

What I do is select the transition and the clip that I want to move and turn that into a compound clip. Then it will not effect the clip under it.

It's a way I use all the time to avoid using keyframes.

If I want to say..........push a picture onto the screen without key framing it.


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Jeff Feaz
Re: Why does transition on connected clip affect primary storyline clip too?
on Sep 12, 2017 at 10:01:23 pm

Sounds like Robin and Tony use the same strategy (compounding). Makes sense. Tony, yeah, the nice thing about the built-in transitions is that they let you avoid keyframing. I do understand that manually animating the transition would be another way around this issue.

Bill - good point about the gray bar. I remember learning about that in a YouTube video. Also good to know that we're talking about "a" secondary storyline, not "the" secondary storyline. It's a nice way to avoid having to compound to affect subsequences as a single unit like you would have to do in Premiere (nesting). Too bad it doesn't protect the primary storyline from transitions though.

Summary: if you're having the exact same problem as me, use a slide transition instead. But lots of good info in this thread about the workings of X, especially if you're used to track-based NLEs.

Thanks everyone!

Jeff


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Robin S. Kurz
Re: Why does transition on connected clip affect primary storyline clip too?
on Sep 13, 2017 at 8:08:18 am

[Jeff Feaz] "Sounds like Robin and Tony use the same strategy (compounding)."

Actually, no. If you saw the edited version of my post, then you'd see I much prefer the second solution I suggested. I avoid compounding if at all possible, so as not to have to jump INTO anything to do even just simple changes.

Cheers,
RK

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John Rofrano
Re: Why does transition on connected clip affect primary storyline clip too?
on Sep 13, 2017 at 1:01:01 pm

[Jeff Feaz] "Too bad it doesn't protect the primary storyline from transitions though."
You have to realize that what every NLE does is composite multiple layers of video. Whatever can be seen in the video buffer will be composited with whatever else is covering it. This is absolutely what you want to happen because it allows multiple "tracks" of video to be composited and interact as one. I would absolutely expect a Push transition to push whatever can be seen (in this case the primary storyline) off of the screen. Thats what a Push transition does (but you already know that).

Another simple solution to your problem would be to open your favorite photo editor (that would be Affinity Photo for me) and create a transparent PNG that is the same dimension as your project (e.g., 1920x1080). Then drop the transparent PNG in front of your connected clip and drop the Push transition between them. This will create a secondary storyline where the transparent image is pushing the connected clip but all you will see is the video from the main storyline sitting still just like you want because the outgoing clip is transparent and reveals what's under it.

~jr

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Robin S. Kurz
Re: Why does transition on connected clip affect primary storyline clip too?
on Sep 13, 2017 at 1:23:44 pm
Last Edited By Robin S. Kurz on Sep 13, 2017 at 1:25:09 pm

[John Rofrano] "to open your favorite photo editor (that would be Affinity Photo for me) and create a transparent PNG"

Which essentially works out to what I suggested… just without the step outside of FCP. 😉

And btw… the size of the element would be irrelevant.

- RK

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John Rofrano
Re: Why does transition on connected clip affect primary storyline clip too?
on Sep 14, 2017 at 12:42:45 pm

[Robin S. Kurz] "Which essentially works out to what I suggested… just without the step outside of FCP. 😉 "
Oh yea... I missed the part where you said to set the opacity to zero on another clip. I just caught that now when I re-read it. Yes, exactly the same result. (sorry)

~jr

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