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Michael Angelo
FCPX 10.3 Woes Including Losing Metadata When Editing Between Libraries
on Feb 16, 2017 at 2:33:48 am

Not very happy with the upgrade to 10.3 for many reasons despite improvements to Roles and Audio Lanes.

Probably the biggest challenge we are experiencing is that now we are unable to edit between libraries otherwise all the meta data is often lost when matching back to the source clip. We used to make a selection on a clip from a source library then edit to a project in a destination library no problem. Now if we do this and match the edited clip in the destination library project to the event area in the destination library, the source clip won't have any metadata. FCPX is creating a duplicate with no markers or keywords etc. It was not this way until 10.3.

We've found that you have to move the clip manually to a destination library event, then source from that clip while in the destination library. This is not ideal especially if you are editing from a source library sequence and want to simply copy and paste pre-edited material to a destination library sequence like we often do.

The bigger rub is we use XMLs a lot for remote collaboration, they are light, easy to email and have always worked fine for simple cuts only edits. Now when we import an XML sequence and match to a source clip it has no metadata. We've tried many different settings and workflows, and have yet to find a consistent way to get around this issue, this is a major challenge to our workflow.

Finally, even moving sequences between libraries without XMLs, simply copying or moving them between libraries, we are having similar match back issues where the source clips are stripped of their metadata. This is not consistently happening so perhaps a simple tweak in workflow will work but we've tried many techniques and settings.

We have upward of 2000 hours of footage with four years of imbedded metadata, anyone else seeing this type of behavior where matching back reveals a clip devoid of metadata yet the clip in the project your matching from HAS metadata, you can see it in the timeline?


Bizarre

Mangelo

PS Some other 10.3 challenges and yes submitted Apple feedback:
- New tiny keyword editor window painful to use not scalable, we have hundreds of keywords
- Removal of color coding makes it hell to scan thru events with years of dense meta data
- Q attaching to storyline in timeline cues timeline GUI to the end of the sequence


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: FCPX 10.3 Woes Including Losing Metadata When Editing Between Libraries
on Feb 17, 2017 at 12:43:42 pm

If I understand you correctly, you match frame from a Project to a library, FCPX then duplicates the clip in the browser and it has no metadata? That clips sits beside the original clip with metadata?


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Michael Angelo
Re: FCPX 10.3 Woes Including Losing Metadata When Editing Between Libraries
on Feb 17, 2017 at 3:16:06 pm

Hi Jeremy,

Yes or worse case now with 10.3, there won't be a clip with metadata next to clip that we match to that has no metadata. It's very strange.

Thanks for the reply

MA

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Jeremy Garchow
Re: FCPX 10.3 Woes Including Losing Metadata When Editing Between Libraries
on Feb 17, 2017 at 4:18:44 pm

[Michael Angelo] "Yes or worse case now with 10.3, there won't be a clip with metadata next to clip that we match to that has no metadata. It's very strange."

Was the clip with metadata ever in the library to begin with?

Or does match framing some how delete the metadata? I am trying to envision the chain of events.

Also, what metadata is stripped, exactly?


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Bill Davis
Re: FCPX 10.3 Woes Including Losing Metadata When Editing Between Libraries
on Feb 18, 2017 at 2:25:27 am

Wait.

Libraries are self contained entities.

When a clip is imported into a library - it brings whatever Camera origination metadata might be attached - but if you ADD metadata after it's IN the library - there's no facility I've ever heard about that will transfer library level metadata into a new downstream library.

The entire POINT of the library structure, is to be a self contained "bucket" largely walled off from external influence so that when moved from drive to drive or volume to volume - everything INSIDE the library package gets transferred .

If it dragged along user generated metadata from downstream operations, wouldn't it be a total NIGHTMARE?

Jill creates the Library (adds user metadata) - it gets passed to John - who adds MORE user metadata) - who passes it to Simon - who adds MORE user metadata - and then Jill gets sent a copy of that Library. Does she replace her original library state with ALL the added metadata? Some? Is John's copy obsolete since it never imported Simon's? Who's on first?

IF you want to add specific user metadata to a clone of a library - I'd think the idea would be to export an XML or do some form of Event exchange from the original library and use THAT to transfer existing metadata settings into the new Library.

My 2 cents.

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Michael Angelo
Re: FCPX 10.3 Woes Including Losing Metadata When Editing Between Libraries
on Feb 18, 2017 at 8:30:15 pm

Sounds good to me!

Sadly FCPX is not keeping the pre-existing meta data. It's matching and throwing all the meta data away and revealing the clip devoid of any pre-exisisting metadata. Obviously it's a bug as it's new to 10.3 and we're finding some workflows to get around it.

Thanks for chiming in

Cheers

MA

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