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Mauricio Lleras
OT: streaming an edit session
on Nov 15, 2019 at 12:24:35 am

Hello to you all,
I'm currently cutting a feature film across countries
and travelling has become difficult for both me and the director,
so looking for viable options to share my edit session with the director.
Anyone tried this recently and care to comment?
Seems like skype and zoom could work?
Heard also about Evercast which is the fancy solution
but this being a low budget indie film I'm not sure
they would go for it...
Would love to get all your thoughts and recommendations on this!
Thanks


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Michael Gissing
Re: OT: streaming an edit session
on Nov 15, 2019 at 3:12:16 am

Resolve lets you share timelines and projects across the internet. I've not used it but I know the functionality exists. It also enables VFX, colorist & sound post people to collaborate as well so grades can be built during the edit etc.

Not sure how AVID collaboration works. There may be a way to make hack an FCPX collaboration but my understanding is it is not designed like AVID & Resolve for that.


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Mark Suszko
Re: OT: streaming an edit session
on Nov 15, 2019 at 5:50:37 pm

BITD, this was a feature built into Apple computers.

One of the methods used today is to send proxies to the client any way you can, be it by courier or file transfer - then, you only need to exchange updated project files each day, which are small.

There are several third-party apps specifically designed to let you work in realtime with the client seeing what you're doing and even making notations in the program that stay with the EDL. They require a pretty fast connection speed to work well.

I think I'd hate that for anything but near-final tweaks of something. My regular clients all gave p sitting in with me years ago, they say: "we know how you work and we rust your judgement - just send us your best final version and we'll critique that" - and they leave it largely up to my judgement. You can have this kind of relationship if you build the trust up front.


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Mauricio Lleras
Re: OT: streaming an edit session
on Nov 15, 2019 at 6:42:36 pm

Thanks for your replies Mark.
I'm not looking for collaboration tools, just want the director to see
what I'm doing in realtime.
He also has a copy of the media and project so I can send it
and he can easily relink and watch if he needs to review
in better quality, but that is also slower and doesn't allow
for instant feedback and a fluid conversation to get going.
This is a very different process from that of client reviews in corporate work,
which it seems is what you do if I'm not mistaken?
Here we need to watch, tweak and reflect together on the different paths
we can take at any given point; it is also true it's the directors' first film
and we are at an advanced stage of the edit
so we need to work together.
Hence the question about streaming the actual edit session
and feeding him my audio and video.
Heard about zoom, skype and evercast
and was hoping to get some feedback from people having tried it recently.
I actually did it myself through skype a couple years ago
and although it was workable it quickly became a hassle.
Was wondering about recent progress in the area...


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Michael Hancock
Re: OT: streaming an edit session
on Nov 15, 2019 at 7:45:02 pm

I talked with an editor that was testing this:

https://premierebro.com/premiere-in-post/xtrmx-edix-remote-editing-panel-fo...

He had great things to say about it, but it looks like their website is down. Might be worth trying to contact them and look into it. I believe it does exactly what you want - you edit and the director/producer can review what you're doing remotely, and are able to see your timeline and watch the edit in realtime.

Also, it may be Premiere only.

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Michael Hancock
Editor


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Craig Seeman
Re: OT: streaming an edit session
on Nov 15, 2019 at 10:25:39 pm
Last Edited By Craig Seeman on Nov 15, 2019 at 10:26:21 pm

Perhaps NDI Cloud?
NDI Scanconvertor to grab the screen.
NDI Cloud Scroll down to the bottom of page to example uses for Video specifically.
to NDI Monitor on the viewing end



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Mark Suszko
Re: OT: streaming an edit session
on Nov 15, 2019 at 10:39:13 pm

What about extensions like frame io?

https://frame.io/fcpx


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Craig Seeman
Re: OT: streaming an edit session
on Nov 16, 2019 at 1:55:27 am

Frame.io doesn't stream live. You can upload for review though. I do and my clients still insist on sending me changes via Text or Facebook Messenger.



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James Culbertson
Re: OT: streaming an edit session
on Nov 20, 2019 at 7:23:36 pm

Frame.io is not live, but there is a function where you can render a video from a timeline, send to Frame.io, then using the FCPX extension to link playheads back to FCPX so you can be watching together remotely. You can also send comments your client makes as markers back to the same timeline so you can make changes non-linearly.

I just got done with a very intense week of editing with a client in San Francisco (I live on Vashon Island near Seattle). Frame.io's collaboration tools really are a life saver on some of these projects. I have not had an over the shoulder client edit session in a couple of years.


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Mauricio Lleras
Re: OT: streaming an edit session
on Nov 18, 2019 at 9:26:08 am

Gave it a look but it does seem to be Premiere only...
Thanks still, you never know when such a piece of info might come in handy!


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Jari Innanen
Re: OT: streaming an edit session
on Nov 17, 2019 at 5:28:57 pm

You can share your screen via iMessage. I've done it many times and it works great with FCP X.


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Craig Seeman
Re: OT: streaming an edit session
on Nov 17, 2019 at 6:12:11 pm

[Jari Innanen] "You can share your screen via iMessage"

I assume you mean Facetime. iMessage is now Messages and it's not live which is what the OP seems to want. Facetime would require the recipient to be on Mac (or iOS) I think.



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Bill Davis
Re: OT: streaming an edit session
on Nov 17, 2019 at 11:28:48 pm

Skype does this pretty reliably.

Live screen sharing is found under the "three dots" icon when you're inside a video call.

As always, your internet bandwitdth and the stability of the connection on both ends effects the quality of the image you send and the overall success of passing real-time frames. But with a good connection it can be very effective.

Good luck.

Creator of XinTwo - http://www.xintwo.com
The shortest path to FCP X mastery.


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Mauricio Lleras
Re: OT: streaming an edit session
on Nov 18, 2019 at 9:20:58 am

Thanks Bill, I had tried Skype a couple years back but of ourse internet bandwith
an connection were not as good as now.
Good to see you've found it reliable!
Will sure try it again.
Still curious about other options


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Jari Innanen
Re: OT: streaming an edit session
on Nov 18, 2019 at 6:13:08 am

Ok, Messages then. My MacOS is in Finnish 😉 The screen sharing via Messages was very much alive, when I last tried it.


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Mauricio Lleras
Re: OT: streaming an edit session
on Nov 18, 2019 at 9:23:49 am

Thanks Jari, I had not thought about this option.
It used to be doable through Ichat and worked not too bad...
But since Ichat's transformation into messages I had not tried it.
Checked it out quickly and there does seem to be a screen sharing option
still there so I will surely give it a try!


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Jari Innanen
Re: OT: streaming an edit session
on Nov 18, 2019 at 5:05:49 pm

Messages screen sharing tutorial:






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Andrew Kimery
Re: OT: streaming an edit session
on Nov 17, 2019 at 11:57:33 pm

I Googled "how to stream on youtube mac" (I assume you are on a Mac) and got a ton of tutorial hits (I didn't take the time to go through them because there were so many). From what I can glean though you use free software to live stream from you computer and you can setup a private/password protected YouTube channel.

For talking back and forth you and the director can just hop on the phone or use an app like Discord.

If you try out no budget solutions and they are rocky that might open the director up to paying for a better experience.


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