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Oliver Peters
Accusonus ERA 4
on Jun 25, 2019 at 11:50:34 am

FYI - If you like low-cost and effective audio plug-ins, Accusonus just released their ERA-4 audio repair bundle. These are really built with editors in mind (not much effort needed to figure out how to use them 😁). I've been using the Leveler plug-in, because Media Composer owners could get this for free as a loyalty bonus. However, the full bundle has a really good cross-section of repair tools. There's a special deal price until the end of the month. The package includes VST, AU and (Avid) AAX versions so these pretty much run in any DAW or NLE.

https://accusonus.com/products/audio-repair

- Oliver

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Herb Sevush
Re: Accusonus ERA 4
on Jun 25, 2019 at 12:40:05 pm

[Oliver Peters] " Accusonus just released their ERA-4 audio repair bundle"

How would you compare it to Izotope RX7 (other than being cheaper.) ?

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Oliver Peters
Re: Accusonus ERA 4
on Jun 25, 2019 at 12:45:40 pm
Last Edited By Oliver Peters on Jun 25, 2019 at 12:51:53 pm

[Herb Sevush] "How would you compare it to Izotope RX7 (other than being cheaper.) "

I don't have RX7, but I do have earlier iZotope plug-ins. IIRC, they usually require processing and don't run in real-time in some hosts. The ERA plugs are real-time. Also they use a single-knob design, somewhat like Wave's One Knob series. However, the Waves plugs focus on EQ and compression, rather than repair.

Also, the ERA plug-ins can be purchased individually and allow 3 simultaneous activations per code.

- Oliver

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Mark Suszko
Re: Accusonus ERA 4
on Jun 25, 2019 at 2:28:48 pm

Larry Jordan also liked this product, he gave it a review some time back.


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James Culbertson
Re: Accusonus ERA 4
on Jun 26, 2019 at 1:07:48 am

Izotope RX7 plugins are real-time in FCP 10, not sure about Premiere. They take time to process in Audition. I assume the ERA would take some time to process in Audition?

I'd be curious how they compare in effectiveness to the RX7 Voice de-noiser, de-clipper, and de-reverb plugins among other examples.


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Oliver Peters
Re: Accusonus ERA 4
on Jun 26, 2019 at 1:40:04 am

I have some of the RX6 plugs and yes, I checked today and they are real-time. However, I have had issues with them properly processing in real-time in a mix. So I either bounced out a processed track or use the external application.

[James Culbertson] "I assume the ERA would take some time to process in Audition"

Why would you assume that?

I haven't had any processing issues with Accusonus, but I've mainly been use Leveler. I've just purchased and added the rest to the work machines. So far, testing is good.

- Oliver

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greg janza
Re: Accusonus ERA 4
on Jun 26, 2019 at 2:52:46 am

Accusonus plugins are a much better option than Izotope RX7 if you're using Premiere. Izotope plugins can wreak havoc on a Premiere system. There's currently a bug with the Izotope RX7 plugins that can cause hard computer crashes if you're working on a mac system. I haven't used the RX7 plugins on a pc but I would suspect that the bug is cross platform.

The one way to minimize the crashes with Izotope plugins is to up the audio buffer to 2048 but even that doesn't completely stop the hard crashes. This problem is without any indication within Premiere so it may take awhile for someone to realize that it's the Izotope plugins that are causing problems.

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Oliver Peters
Re: Accusonus ERA 4
on Jun 26, 2019 at 12:14:11 pm

After a bit more testing and direct comparison between similar plug-ins, I would say that you definitely get good real-time results with the Accusonus plug-ins. However, they are best when you stick close to their defaults.

I do feel like I get better acoustic results with the iZotope RX plug-ins, especially with real troubled audio, like heavily clipped VO recordings. However, you do have to *apply* the RX effect (at least in Audition) before you will hear clean results. For example, with the Declip example, I can play the Accusonus, push it, and hear clean results. With iZotope, I get crackle in real-time when I push it. But after applying each effect, the iZotope sounded somewhat better to my ears and seemed to do a smoother job of rounding the clips.

For controlling vocal levels, my favorite still remains Waves Vocal Rider. I like the Accusonus Voice Leveler, but it's basically an intelligent compressor. Vocal Rider actually "rides" its built-in faders, as the name implies. So low and high volume levels are dynamically adjusted, not compressed, thus leaving you with a more open sound.

All things being equal Waves tends to be the first place I look for audio plug-ins. However, you do have to look for their special deals to get good pricing. And you have to handle license activations if you are dealing with multiple machines.

- Oliver

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Michael Gissing
Re: Accusonus ERA 4
on Jun 26, 2019 at 1:00:20 pm

I've never had issues with iZotope VST plugins playing in real time on both my standalone Fairlight running on an aging Win 7 PC and with Fairlight in Resolve running on a more powerful PC.


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Oliver Peters
Re: Accusonus ERA 4
on Jun 26, 2019 at 2:09:56 pm

[Michael Gissing] "I've never had issues with iZotope VST plugins ... and with Fairlight in Resolve"

Interesting. I haven't had great luck with third-party plug-ins in current versions of Resolve. For example, these ERA plugs are not officially supported in Resolve by Accusonus, yet they do show up. But Resolve doesn't recognize the license authorization. Trying to add the license activation back in crashes Resolve. (Mac 10.13.6 Resolve 15).

- Oliver

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Michael Gissing
Re: Accusonus ERA 4
on Jun 26, 2019 at 10:39:20 pm

[Oliver Peters] "I haven't had great luck with third-party plug-ins in current versions of Resolve."

I suspect the WIN VST platform for plugins is far more robust, being the most used. Developers will naturally prioritise them over MacOS and plugin formats.


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Oliver Peters
Re: Accusonus ERA 4
on Jul 1, 2019 at 11:26:26 pm

[Michael Gissing] "I suspect the WIN VST platform for plugins is far more robust"

Just circling back on this one in regards to Resolve as a host. After some more testing, I've concluded that the issue may well be with the Mac App Store version of Resolve 15 and not the versions you download directly from Blackmagic. I retested on my home machine running the R16 Beta and it all worked correctly there. The work machines are running the MAS version and that's where I've encountered issues.

- Oliver

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Michael Gissing
Re: Accusonus ERA 4
on Jul 1, 2019 at 11:50:44 pm

Yes I only download the WIN Studio version directly from BM.


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Brett Sherman
Re: Accusonus ERA 4
on Jun 26, 2019 at 5:55:41 pm

[Oliver Peters] "I do feel like I get better acoustic results with the iZotope RX plug-ins"

Definitely. I tested the Accusonus when it came out and it really wasn't even in the same ballpark as iZotope for heavy noise reduction. I tend not to do real-time processing. While iZotope RX7 does work quite well with realtime in FCP X with Adaptive Voice De-noise, the best tool for most situations is Dialogue Isolate which is not possible to run in realtime. ERA doesn't have anything like it. And iZotope RX 7 Advanced has the Spectral Repair which has nothing like it in the ERA pack.

I think Accusonics realized the value wasn't there at $1000 so they lowered the price. It's a pretty good deal now. Before there was no reason to get it over iZotope RX Advanced. (I'm not a Premiere user, so admittedly there may be compatiblity issues that it solves).

[Oliver Peters] "For controlling vocal levels, my favorite still remains Waves Vocal Rider. I like the Accusonus Voice Leveler, but it's basically an intelligent compressor. Vocal Rider actually "rides" its built-in faders, as the name implies. So low and high volume levels are dynamically adjusted, not compressed, thus leaving you with a more open sound."

I'm not sure there's a real technical difference between compression and level riding. Compression is really just altering the gain dependent on the level coming in. With high attack and release times it does have the effect of bringing up quiet sections and bringing down loud sections. With longer times, it's considered a Leveler. That being said, I really like the Vocal Rider as it allows you to set a target level (which compressors don't), so in some ways what you're saying is true in that you don't have to be as aggressive with gain reduction to get a fairly even output. I have to admit I am a bit surprised as to how much the faders are moving. I wish I could set it so it's not quite as reactive.

I bought three Vocal Rider licenses for $30 each with the half-off sale. It's still available at that price. It's a bargain, especially if you only need it on one workstation as licensing is a very strict one machine per license.


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Herb Sevush
Re: Accusonus ERA 4
on Jun 26, 2019 at 6:04:36 pm

[Brett Sherman] "Compression is really just altering the gain dependent on the level coming in."

I thought compression altered the gain but only beyond a threshold point, whereas riding level alters the gain throughout the signal. Which is why compression can raise the noise floor when the peaks are brought back up but level riding maintains the distance between peaks and noise floor.

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Oliver Peters
Re: Accusonus ERA 4
on Jun 26, 2019 at 6:40:56 pm

[Brett Sherman] "I'm not sure there's a real technical difference between compression and level riding."

Actually there's a ton of difference and you can hear it if you A/B the two. Compression essentially "squeezes" the dynamics by a ratio for levels over a threshold point. At an extreme ratio with an aggressive input level and threshold, you effectively hit a brickwall and lose all the "openness" of the sound. Riding the level simply adjusts the volume down when it is too high, preserving that "openness".

For example, Waves offers both Vocal Rider and MV2 for the similar application of controlling dialogue fluctuation. MV2 compresses top and bottom. The results sound quite different. Sometimes one is preferable, sometimes the other.

- Oliver

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Brett Sherman
Re: Accusonus ERA 4
on Jun 26, 2019 at 9:35:14 pm

It is definitely hard to set a compressor right, which is why products like Vocal Rider are great. And I'm not saying there is absolutely no sonic difference between the two. But they are both doing a form of Gain Reduction for peaks. The ballistics are a bit different though, and that may be where the advantage of the Vocal Rider comes in. Here is a video showing both a compressor and the Vocal Rider in action. The similarities between the two are pretty clear.







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Michael Gissing
Re: Accusonus ERA 4
on Jun 26, 2019 at 10:45:43 pm

[Brett Sherman] "I'm not sure there's a real technical difference between compression and level riding."

There should be. Compression of dynamics changes the attack and release character. Manual or automated level riding is changing gain without affecting the transient attack or release. It's just gain, not dynamics. Personally I consider an important part of a mix to be manually riding gain on dialog (with a good fader not a mouse) before it then hits a compressor/ limiter. The two combined is ideal. Obviously I automate the gain riding.


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Brett Sherman
Re: Accusonus ERA 4
on Jun 27, 2019 at 1:34:37 pm
Last Edited By Brett Sherman on Jun 27, 2019 at 1:37:39 pm

I think you are misinterpreting what attack and release times mean in a compressor. They don’t shape transients in the way you’re thinking. (there are plug ins that do this but they aren’t compressors - SPL Transient Designer for one).

Attack refers to the time it takes to ramp up (or down depending on how you look at it) to Gain Reduction. Counter intuitively a longer attack time actually lets more transients through. Release time is the time it takes to return to zero gain after the threshold has been passed. And again counterintuitively this is a ramping UP of volume.

Nothing completely replaces manual volume riding as it is intelligent about where the empty spaces are and how high quiet sections should be pushed. Compressors can be used to give voice more energy or for longer leveling depending on the settings and the particular plug-in being used (an optical compressor is a different animal than a digital one) For me an automated thing like Vocal Rider is really a time saver.


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Michael Gissing
Re: Accusonus ERA 4
on Jun 30, 2019 at 11:59:24 am

[Brett Sherman]"I think you are misinterpreting what attack and release times mean in a compressor."

No misinterpretation. I've mixed over a thousand docos so I do know how a compressor & limiter attack & release affect transient response and signal recovery.


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