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Tom Sefton
Premiere audio breaking MacBook Pro speakers
on Feb 7, 2019 at 5:45:59 pm

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2565401

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Herb Sevush
Re: Premiere audio breaking MacBook Pro speakers
on Feb 8, 2019 at 12:45:06 pm

Apparently 15" Macbook Pro's suck.

In a Bill Davis influenced aside I can only note that since I never edit on a laptop this is a non-issue probably caused by holding the computer the wrong way and I hope Apple engineers don't waste their precious time trying to fix it.

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Tom Sefton
Re: Premiere audio breaking MacBook Pro speakers
on Feb 8, 2019 at 3:55:57 pm

is it an apple or an adobe fault? If it doesn’t do it with fcpx, logic or izotope is it a coding issue?

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Herb Sevush
Re: Premiere audio breaking MacBook Pro speakers
on Feb 8, 2019 at 4:33:51 pm

[Tom Sefton] "is it an apple or an adobe fault? If it doesn’t do it with fcpx, logic or izotope is it a coding issue?"

Since it only happens on MacBook Pro's it's similar to the situation a few years ago where nMPro's were melting their GFX cards - hardware is not supposed to blow up no matter how bad the software.

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Steve Connor
Re: Premiere audio breaking MacBook Pro speakers
on Feb 8, 2019 at 4:59:28 pm

[Herb Sevush] "Since it only happens on MacBook Pro's it's similar to the situation a few years ago where nMPro's were melting their GFX cards - hardware is not supposed to blow up no matter how bad the software.
"


Unless the software sends out a VERY loud noise through the speakers at full volume which will be enough to break ANY laptop speaker! This doesn't happen with anything else so it's clearly a software issue.


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Herb Sevush
Re: Premiere audio breaking MacBook Pro speakers
on Feb 8, 2019 at 5:26:37 pm

[Steve Connor] "This doesn't happen with anything else so it's clearly a software issue."

Or - it doesn't happen with any other hardware, so it's clearly a hardware issue.

In either case, just as the hardware should not allow software to send a signal that sets the GFX card on fire, it should not allow an audio signal to be sent that blows up the speakers. It's a computer, not a dumb amplifier, and it should be able to control it's environment.

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Steve Connor
Re: Premiere audio breaking MacBook Pro speakers
on Feb 8, 2019 at 5:33:10 pm

[Herb Sevush] "t's a computer, not a dumb amplifier, and it should be able to control it's environment.
"


Yep it's all Apple's fault, nothing to do with a bug in the software :)


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Herb Sevush
Re: Premiere audio breaking MacBook Pro speakers
on Feb 8, 2019 at 5:39:11 pm

[Steve Connor] "Yep it's all Apple's fault, nothing to do with a bug in the software :)"

It's not all Apple's fault, but a software bug should not allow a user to blow up his hardware. That's why Apple fixed the issue with the nMP Gfx cards.

I am not aware of any software that is blowing up any pc laptop, and that's a much larger and varied source of software. Wonder why that is ?

Dell's new marketing slogan "well hell, at least our s**t doesn't explode."

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Brett Sherman
Re: Premiere audio breaking MacBook Pro speakers
on Feb 12, 2019 at 1:24:22 pm

Any software that generates a full volume square wave for long enough time will blow the speakers. Are you suggesting that Apple should have code that analyzes the audio waveform that software is sending through the audio hardware and then stops it? That would be insane.

The comparison to the graphics card is a bad one. Graphics information stays in the digital realm the whole time. Audio is different because it is analog. That's what blew the speakers.


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Bill Davis
Re: Premiere audio breaking MacBook Pro speakers
on Feb 12, 2019 at 5:38:24 pm

[Brett Sherman] "Any software that generates a full volume square wave for long enough time will blow the speakers."

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Herb Sevush
Re: Premiere audio breaking MacBook Pro speakers
on Feb 14, 2019 at 12:34:35 pm

[Brett Sherman] " Are you suggesting that Apple should have code that analyzes the audio waveform that software is sending through the audio hardware and then stops it? That would be insane."

I don't know what caused the speakers to blow, and I suspect neither do you, but the fact is that no other Apple computer has any reports of Premiere blowing their speakers - just the 15" MBP. I don't see how it's possible that Ppro is sending out a different signal on Mac Pro's then on MBP's using the same OS. If Ppro software is creating full volume square waves then why haven't the speakers blown on any of my Macs?

And why exactly would it be insane to filter out audio signals that destroy speakers? Just curious.

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Tom Sefton
Re: Premiere audio breaking MacBook Pro speakers
on Feb 14, 2019 at 5:58:18 pm

Out of interest have you used a MacBook Pro with premiere pro recently?

I don’t see the logic that it can be apples fault if no other software aside from adobe is causing this?

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Herb Sevush
Re: Premiere audio breaking MacBook Pro speakers
on Feb 14, 2019 at 7:04:14 pm

[Tom Sefton] "Out of interest have you used a MacBook Pro with premiere pro recently?"

Not recently, not ever. As I said in my first post, this doesn't concern me personally because I never edit on laptops. I'm strictly a Mac Pro guy, with occasional cause to work with Imacs when out of house. The original post implied that this was a Ppro problem, I don't see it that way.

[Tom Sefton] "I don’t see the logic that it can be apples fault if no other software aside from adobe is causing this?"

But can you see the logic if Premiere Pro works with every other computer Apple makes - since when do software makers have to customize not just for every OS but for every model of every type of computer within an OS?

To put it another way - it's both their faults: Ppro shouldn't do this, MacBook Pro's shouldn't let it.

A related question - is this the dark side of the fact that FCPX is customized for both the OS and the hardware Apple makes - does this mean that Apple is making it harder for others to play well with it? I don't know, just asking.

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Steve Connor
Re: Premiere audio breaking MacBook Pro speakers
on Feb 22, 2019 at 4:15:15 pm

Even though, it's supposedly Apple's fault ☺ Adobe have been very generous and issued a fix for their problem.

https://www.macrumors.com/2019/02/22/adobe-premiere-pro-fix-bug-blown-mac-s...


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Andrew Kimery
Re: Premiere audio breaking MacBook Pro speakers
on Feb 14, 2019 at 8:08:59 pm

[Tom Sefton] "Out of interest have you used a MacBook Pro with premiere pro recently?"

From the complaints I've seen it's only been with 2018 MBPs so it might be some odd intersection of the 2018 MBP, Mojave and PPro. No other hardware and software combo seems to be having this problem.


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Tom Sefton
Re: Premiere audio breaking MacBook Pro speakers
on Feb 14, 2019 at 8:50:51 pm

No but my point being, it would only become evident on a MacBook Pro with similar inbuilt speakers

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Bill Davis
Re: Premiere audio breaking MacBook Pro speakers
on Feb 9, 2019 at 6:07:42 pm

Since my name was invoked, I am unfortunately unable to respond as I am currently out of town investigating Southern California’s Haute Cuisine offerings.
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Bernard Newnham
Re: Premiere audio breaking MacBook Pro speakers
on Feb 10, 2019 at 5:35:07 pm

Being British I had to look up corn dogs. Sounds horrendous.

On a more serious note - how do you manage to do serious editing on a laptop, exploding or not? I'm a two screen person myself, and would have a third full screen monitor if I had room.

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Steve Connor
Re: Premiere audio breaking MacBook Pro speakers
on Feb 10, 2019 at 6:47:01 pm

[Bernard Newnham] "On a more serious note - how do you manage to do serious editing on a laptop"

Easily! I got out of the "more screens the better" mentality a while ago, don't get me wrong I do like editing on big screens but the flexibility of editing on a laptop can be very useful.

Also the FCPX interface suits laptop editing very well, I don't think I could edit on PPro on a laptop so easily.


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Bill Davis
Re: Premiere audio breaking MacBook Pro speakers
on Feb 11, 2019 at 7:10:33 pm
Last Edited By Bill Davis on Feb 11, 2019 at 7:22:01 pm

[Bernard Newnham] "how do you manage to do serious editing on a laptop"

Does this help?
(Waiting for client notes and taking it easy today!)  



Pretty sure in F - I have enough separate screens to look at!
Interface - Client/Program - iPad for script or browser as needed - iPhone for live client chat, lookup, web research, etc.

There's actually a serious point here. Like most, I spent a LONG time in an "office" setup back when the only way to get a smooth editing experience was via big hardware and shore power. Since my transition to FCP X - I've consistently found that I have had an incredibly smooth and reliable edit platform just relying on my MacBook Pro FCP X and the kit I can stow in a single briefcase.
Seriously, 4k proxy multi-cam is easy — and my deadlines are such that an occasional overnight render for a full rez HUGE project at the end of weeks of smooth editing just isn't a problem for me.

YMMV as they say.

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Steve Connor
Re: Premiere audio breaking MacBook Pro speakers
on Feb 11, 2019 at 7:23:16 pm

[Bill Davis] "Pretty sure in F - I have enough separate screens to look at! "

You look much younger than I imagined Bill!


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Mark Suszko
Re: Premiere audio breaking MacBook Pro speakers
on Feb 11, 2019 at 9:12:11 pm

Bernard, it can be ghastly, but with the right materials, they can be delightful. You need to try a freshly-prepared Cozy-Dog one day; accept no substitutes. Corn dogs here are much like fish and chips over there. Not good for you, but good, dig?

Also, considering some of the culinary monstrosities that Great Britain has shown the world, do you really want to "go there"? :-)


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Steve Connor
Re: Premiere audio breaking MacBook Pro speakers
on Feb 12, 2019 at 7:20:19 am

[Mark Suszko] "Also, considering some of the culinary monstrosities that Great Britain has shown the world, do you really want to "go there"? :-)"

Name one?


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Neil Sinclair
Re: Premiere audio breaking MacBook Pro speakers
on Feb 12, 2019 at 8:30:18 am

Gordon Ramsey!


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Mark Suszko
Re: Premiere audio breaking MacBook Pro speakers
on Feb 12, 2019 at 8:41:21 am

Haggis
Kidney pudding
Spotted Dick
Black Pudding
White pudding
Jellied Eels
Toad In The Hole… a corn dog smothered in gravy
Periwinkles
Stargazy pie
Marmite
Laverbread
Scotch Eggs
Rumbledethumps

Some of those might be foods or Harry Potter characters, who can tell the difference. They all look nasty.


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Paul Neumann
Re: Premiere audio breaking MacBook Pro speakers
on Feb 12, 2019 at 6:51:44 pm

[Mark Suszko] "Some of those might be foods or Harry Potter characters, who can tell the difference."

Spit take.


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Tom Sefton
Re: Premiere audio breaking MacBook Pro speakers
on Feb 14, 2019 at 8:44:13 am

Woah woah woah.

You can’t insult toad in the hole. It’s a sausage in Yorkshire pudding. Food of the gods. Yorkshire pudding is literally a staple food.

Same goes for scotch eggs - a soft boiled egg, wrapped in sausage meat that is filled with herbs and then dusted with breadcrumbs before being deep fried. Biting through sausage meat into a runny egg yolk is not unpleasant.

And yes, I like a nice corn dog and chilli dog too.

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