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Oliver Peters
Status of FCPX in 2019
on Jan 16, 2019 at 2:51:03 pm

Just curious how everyone thinks the world of FCPX is doing this year. We are now in its 8th year since release. Looking at the various sites that have posted customer use stories in the past, things have been very, very quiet. So how does this crowd see things?

- Oliver

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Gabe Strong
Re: Status of FCPX in 2019
on Jan 16, 2019 at 4:15:58 pm

I see FCPX a lot more than I did a couple years ago.
I don't live in an area with large production companies
though, so I'm mostly talking independent filmmakers and
small production companies. I'd guess an almost equal split
between Premiere CC and FCPX right now which was not
the case 5 years ago. I've also seen a notable increase in Resolve
use as an editor. It's actually been interesting at our last couple
filmmaker meet ups to talk to everyone about which NLE they use
and why. Lots of variety in reasons out there and no real 'dominant'
NLE anymore.

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Warren Eig
Re: Status of FCPX in 2019
on Jan 16, 2019 at 5:55:14 pm

I finished a feature length documentary in FCPX 10.4.4. It went smoother than I anticipated. I used X2Pro Convert for the sound mix. All in all very stable. But I do miss tracks.

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Ronny Courtens
Re: Status of FCPX in 2019
on Jan 16, 2019 at 8:16:28 pm

I agree things have been quiet on the FCP X case-study front, but that's only because we simply had no time to make them. Writing a good detailed case study takes a LOT of research and work and, unfortunately, there are only 24 hours in a day. I am preparing a ton of new case studies for the coming months. I actually have never had so many cases to pick from, especially in Europe where FCP X adoption has grown exponentially last year.

- Ronny


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Oliver Peters
Re: Status of FCPX in 2019
on Jan 16, 2019 at 8:21:33 pm

[Ronny Courtens] "Writing a good detailed case study takes a LOT of research and work"

How true!

[Ronny Courtens] "I actually have never had so many cases to pick from, especially in Europe where FCP X adoption has grown exponentially last year."

Cool. I'm looking forward to reading those. Any sense of why the adoption rate of FCPX seems to be larger in Europe?

- Oliver

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Ronny Courtens
Re: Status of FCPX in 2019
on Jan 16, 2019 at 9:46:39 pm

I think it has been a snowball effect. The larger corporations I have been involved with and who adopted FCP X in a quite early stage, are still using it and even have expanded their operations. This has caused smaller external production companies who work with these corporations, to also start using FCP X.

I know of some really important feature films that are currently being cut with X, quite a large amount of long-form documentaries, and some very popular Netflix Original series. I especially see a fast-growing adoption in broadcast operations, mostly in Eastern Europe. Also, I recently had an interview with a popular fiction editor in Tel Aviv who told me that there is a really fast-growing FCP X community in Israel, which I did not know. And when talking with media enterprises about high-level shared storage (as you know, I work with LumaForge), I am often totally surprised when they say that they use FCP X as their main NLE. Many of the editors there are not active on social media or online forums, so we don't really know what they use until we get directly in touch with them.

As a side note: I also see growing adoption of Resolve as an NLE (although still quite slowly), mostly at the detriment of other track-based editing solutions. As you may recall, some years ago I said that Avid and FCP X could make a perfect combo. I think I will need to revise this opinion. I can see FCP X and Resolve evolving into a great combination for the future, while I clearly see that Avid is slowly but surely losing its grip on the high-end media market. Maybe not in Hollywood yet, but that is hardly a reference anymore.

- Ronny


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Oliver Peters
Re: Status of FCPX in 2019
on Jan 17, 2019 at 12:18:12 am

[Ronny Courtens] " I can see FCP X and Resolve evolving into a great combination for the future"

Agreed. A great combo.

- Oliver

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Jay Soriano
Re: Status of FCPX in 2019
on Jan 20, 2019 at 2:03:04 pm

Ronny & Oliver,

Interested why Resolve and FCPX is a great combo? Starting to use Resolve but looking into FCPX as well. Curious on your thoughts. Thank you.


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Oliver Peters
Re: Status of FCPX in 2019
on Jan 20, 2019 at 5:22:48 pm

[Jay Soriano] "Interested why Resolve and FCPX is a great combo?"

Let's assume you want to do your creative editing in FCPX. But then if you want to do advanced color correction and mixing, so you want more tools. That's where Resolve comes in. Plus it plays well with FCPXML exchange. You also have more in-depth Fusion compositing. Both apps can be purchased/installed/updated through the App Store mechanism, too.

- Oliver

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Jay Soriano
Re: Status of FCPX in 2019
on Jan 21, 2019 at 4:27:12 pm

Thank you for this Oliver. The move from FCP 7 to Davinci Resolve was a smooth transition. What I loved about FCP legacy was the vast amount 3rd party plugin support. Is there reason why there is a limited amount of 3rd party plugin support for Davinci Resolve OFX vs FCPX FXPlug? There seems to be a huge amount of FCPX effects availability out there.


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Steve Connor
Re: Status of FCPX in 2019
on Jan 21, 2019 at 4:44:38 pm

[Jay Soriano] "There seems to be a huge amount of FCPX effects availability out there."

I would imagine it's because a lot more people use FCPX to Edit than Resolve and it's quite easy to develop effects because of the Motion "engine" that underlies it.


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Oliver Peters
Re: Status of FCPX in 2019
on Jan 21, 2019 at 5:00:47 pm

[Jay Soriano] "The move from FCP 7 to Davinci Resolve was a smooth transition."

I would add though, that I find the XML from Premiere to translate better into Resolve than the FCPXML from FCPX. Some things simply don't translate well. Also the FCPX workflow is really dependent on using compound clips. You don't have to, but the tendency is for users to fall back on them more so than in other NLEs. Those also don't always translate well.

- Oliver

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Bill Davis
Re: Status of FCPX in 2019
on Jan 22, 2019 at 3:12:10 am
Last Edited By Bill Davis on Jan 22, 2019 at 3:15:39 am

[Oliver Peters] "Also the FCPX workflow is really dependent on using compound clips. "

I actually don’t find this true at all.

Most of the editors that I know who use a lot of compound clips do so because they are accustomed to using “nests” in a prior NLE and see this as the FCP X equivalent. But I’m not sure it really is.

In X, Compound clips are a form of Reference Clip that really just abstracts another layer of metadata and references it to the original content.

I seldom use them, feeling that it’s smarter to keep my work as close to “flat” as possible and do as little “referencing” as I can.

Sometimes that’s not possible and I have projects as full of multiclips, sync clips, and compounds as the next guy. But I typically don’t use them any more than I reallly need to.

My feeling is that simplicity beats complexity whenever you can get away with it!

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Oliver Peters
Re: Status of FCPX in 2019
on Jan 22, 2019 at 1:32:33 pm

[Bill Davis] "I actually don’t find this true at all."

For example, if you want to add a master audio compressor/limiter to your final mix with dialogue, SFX, and music roles, it requires a compound clip. If you watch Sam Mestman's demo on how to use audio roles, he actually has several compounds inside of compounds.

[Bill Davis] "In X, Compound clips are a form of Reference Clip that really just abstracts another layer of metadata and references it to the original content."

True, but just like nests, these often do not get correctly translated over XML.

- Oliver

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Bill Davis
Re: Status of FCPX in 2019
on Jan 23, 2019 at 8:08:38 pm

As I noted above, I use them too.

But I’ve seen Libraries where an unschooled user has made a compound in one Project - Cut and pasted that Into another project, re-compounded that, with something else - then used THAT in another project - treating these reference clips like they were some kind of base clip.

Then they go back and “clean up” their drive tossing that old first order Prohect that contained the original link - and the entire house of cards collapses with everything going offline.

They are fine for experienced users with solid housekeeping habits.

But can be a problem for editors who just still think of everything in their storylines like they are old style clips in a capture scratch.

Just my experience.

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Tony West
Re: Status of FCPX in 2019
on Jan 22, 2019 at 4:21:11 pm

[Bill Davis] "Most of the editors that I know who use a lot of compound clips do so because they are accustomed to using “nests” in a prior NLE and see this as the FCP X equivalent. "

I use cc's all the time. I love them because they allow easy transitions from complicated stacked layers. It also keeps me from having to scroll up and down all the time.

When done with the edit just break them apart if you have problems with translations in other NLEs.

When I make a cc I give it a name and add "cc" on the back of it. That allows me to find them all quickly in the timeline index. Select all and break apart in seconds. Ready for export.


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Frank Maxwell
Re: Status of FCPX in 2019
on Jan 16, 2019 at 8:19:12 pm

Over the years FCP has altered in leaps and bounds. This software seems to focus on more complex set up for the professional market. Like a car, one could work under the bonnet but now... abit like FCP you get the swing of editing and then boom we are hit with new items.
I'm in the older brigade of people and love FCP but it frightens me of the constant alteration. I ask myself for WHO???????...Pros or amateurs or just fun people. Then again we always got iMovie.
One hate I have of APPLE they done away with IDVD which worked a treat with FCP as a end package. Please bring this software back.


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Douglas K. Dempsey
Re: Status of FCPX in 2019
on Jan 16, 2019 at 9:19:01 pm

Working on doc project in New York; we’re hiring more young 30-something editors as it expands out to multiple “episodes” ... virtually everyone of them using Premiere and AE, the whole CC in fact. Facilities, other pros we contact ... all PPro CC. I’m a loner and looked at as eccentric, perhaps a notch shy of “pro” for using X. It’s almost a dirty word/joke among millennials IMO. Meanwhile I DO hear a lot of my generation, and some younger, trying out Resolve v15 and liking it.

Doug D


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Oliver Peters
Re: Status of FCPX in 2019
on Jan 16, 2019 at 9:40:56 pm

[Douglas K. Dempsey] "virtually everyone of them using Premiere and AE, the whole CC in fact"

I'm finding that around me, too. Where I've seen X used, it's been by a couple of groups. One is agency creatives who dabble a bit in editing just to rough something in for the editor to start with. The other is editors who use it for quick turnaround on-site edits. I've also run into staff editors working at a govt agency (Soc Sec Admin?) and they were using it in-house. Otherwise, I, too, work with a group of probably a dozen other freelancers and they all generally fit your description above.

- Oliver

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Ronny Courtens
Re: Status of FCPX in 2019
on Jan 16, 2019 at 10:14:22 pm

If I had to base my opinion on what I see in my country, I would probably come to the same conclusion. In Belgium, it's mostly Avid and some Premiere Pro. But I have learned to look at the larger picture and not restrict my findings to just my neck in the woods. Once you do this, you discover a great diversity around the world that does not necessarily correspond with local situations.

- Ronny


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Michael Gissing
Re: Status of FCPX in 2019
on Jan 16, 2019 at 10:31:12 pm
Last Edited By Michael Gissing on Jan 16, 2019 at 10:31:52 pm

In my small world of indie docos at the bottom of the world X has little traction. The main trend I see is Resolve taking a place at the expense of both X and Pr.

The other trend is away from Apple hardware. I think the hardware trend might be the driver of some to abandon X. But some editors tell me the ease of handover to me by staying in Resolve is also significant.


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Douglas K. Dempsey
Re: Status of FCPX in 2019
on Jan 16, 2019 at 10:39:00 pm

I have a 26-year old son in the biz ... not an pro editor per se, but he grew up cutting his own films in FCP7, and when he got a few jobs out of college, was forced into PPro CC (which he set up with the old FCP7 shortcut commands ☺

He works with some young commercial shooters, a lot of indie filmmakers, and it's all PP. I can't recall a name, but there was some post-house guru in NYC who trashed X a few years back, and the indie crowd listened. And then, when the Coen Brothers who previously did their own editing on FCP7 (as the pseudonymous "Roderick Jaynes"), switched to PPro when FCP7 was EOL'd. From that moment on, PPro was cool, X was uncool.

Of interest, though ... virtually EVERY one of these young filmmakers and editors is working on a MacBook Pro ... the only Windows machines I see are in the hands of people working in gaming (Unity or Unreal), effects (After Effects and others) or coding work.

Doug D


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Douglas K. Dempsey
Re: Status of FCPX in 2019
on Jan 16, 2019 at 10:50:47 pm
Last Edited By Douglas K. Dempsey on Jan 16, 2019 at 10:51:54 pm

To acknowledge Ronny's comments, though ... the New York scene I am referencing is largely a peripheral and/or wanna-be Hollywood / TV crowd ... a group that used to be told, including by NYU film school et al, "The pros cut on Avid" - but as Ronny notes, Avid is largely being "aged out" in that group.

Doug D


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David Mathis
Re: Status of FCPX in 2019
on Jan 16, 2019 at 11:59:51 pm

I see the current version as paving the way to a huge and potentially useful update when it comes out later this year. There is some speculation it could be during the NAB show. The extensions are a nice addition and possibly more extensions are on the way depending on the path Apple takes. It might be possible we could export individual clips from the timeline without the need for third party apps though that opens up opportunities and options for the end user. I predict Frame.io will have a larger presence in the ecosystem with a richer feature set. Apple does need to improve keyframing and add mask tracking to the toolbox. Outside of that it will be interesting to see what awaits us with the next update.


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Neil Goodman
Re: Status of FCPX in 2019
on Jan 17, 2019 at 3:26:23 am

Its def come a long long way but since I cant earn money using it - I gave up on keeping up with it last summer.

Im really surprised it hasn't gained any traction in marketing and shortform. I think thats a space where it could really shine but I dont see people giving up on Avid and PP anytime soon.


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Bret Williams
Re: Status of FCPX in 2019
on Jan 22, 2019 at 6:03:29 am

it’s the only software I’ve used for editing pretty much since 2012. I’m corporate and around here in ATL you’re either working at the companies’ facility or you’re working on your own system. I’ve rarely left my basement for a project in 5 or 6 years. My clients are either turn key productions for some of the large companies here (that aren’t really interested in what you edit on) or video producers, where I supply the post production, and many of them are using FCPX as their pre-production tool, bringing me a library or a rough cut. Occasionally something comes my way that’s been started or roughed in Premiere and I just rent Premiere for a month and export it over to FCPX. I still use AE at times, but Motion serves my needs most of the time.

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Bob Woodhead
Re: Status of FCPX in 2019
on Jan 22, 2019 at 6:08:26 pm

Dude, beg your wife for some space upstairs - you deserve it! 😉

Also in ATL, what he said.

"Constituo, ergo sum"

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Bret Williams
Re: Status of FCPX in 2019
on Jan 22, 2019 at 7:40:51 pm

You haven't seen our upstairs!

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Bret Williams
Re: Status of FCPX in 2019
on Jan 23, 2019 at 4:53:57 am

My wife is a producer (you're in ATL you may know Teri Lamprey) and when our daughter's kindergarten teacher asked what Mom and Dad do for a living, she told her "they make videos in the basement." The teacher was later relieved when we told her it was just corporate video!

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