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Andrew Kimery
'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 11, 2018 at 7:31:01 pm

With the fast and furious updates to Resolve, BM has been 'winning' NAB for a number of years now, but that show floor success doesn't seem to be turning into a boatload of new customers using Resolve as their primary NLE, DAW, etc.,. We don't have to try hard to see where MC, PPro and X are being used, but aside from the occasional one-off story Resolve usage as an NLE seems invisible.

Are people just taking a wait and see approach on the 'new guy'? Is there room for a fourth NLE to share the stage along side MC, PPro and X?


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Shane Ross
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 11, 2018 at 10:50:57 pm

Well, Alpha Dogs post has a job email blast...someone comes to them looking for editors or onliners or assistants and they send out an email to their list of freelancers...and one of them about 3 weeks ago was looking for a few editors to cut on Resolve...and in a shared environment. Something never really attempted...editing, AND Shared...so it was new ground. And there were a lot of people who use Resolve to ONLINE...but to edit? It's new at that...but growing. I'm using the editing capablities more and more as I find myself addressing notes after picture lock. But I haven't dived into it as an editor yet. I know a few who have, as it's free. But not sure it's been used on paid broadcast work yet.

But...a friend of mine ran into someone at LACPUG who was looking for a Resolve editor, and gave my name to them. Haven't heard from them yet, but right there are two examples of how this is creeeeeeeeeping into my market at least. I might have to approach it like I did FCP 2/3...cut a few personal things with it first to get the hang of it.

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Scott Witthaus
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 12, 2018 at 12:31:30 am

Resolve is trying to be what Symphony SHOULD have been for Avid? Or maybe a Symphony/DS combo seeing the Fusion integration in Resolve? The Swiss Army knife (DS) approach did not work for Avid. Will it work for Resolve?

But Andrew (IMHO) is right; for the last few years everyone says BM/Resolve is "killing it", but that fades away once NAB is over.

I wonder what market BM is trying to take with Resolve.

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Ricardo Marty
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 12, 2018 at 1:15:18 am

Resolve is or will be in every edit,vfx,and post house across the board and across the world if not just for davinci. Something only adobe did before it overtook because of apples change of strategy. So davinci is there breathing down adobes neck. One false move and its curtains for adobe.

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Walter Soyka
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 12, 2018 at 9:52:44 am

[Scott Witthaus] "I wonder what market BM is trying to take with Resolve."

Are there any markets they're not trying to take with Resolve?


[Scott Witthaus] "The Swiss Army knife (DS) approach did not work for Avid. Will it work for Resolve?"

Of course there are any number of reasons why DS didn't work for Avid, but what I find most interesting is that the all-in-ones used to be priced at the top of the market, and now one is available at the bottom. I think the Good Enough Revolution favors the all-in-one approach.

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Steve Connor
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 12, 2018 at 10:59:47 am

Doesn't look like they'll be supporting ProRes 4K any time soon though

https://www.redsharknews.com/production/item/5408-grant-petty-of-blackmagic...

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Michael Gissing
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 12, 2018 at 12:02:59 pm
Last Edited By Michael Gissing on Apr 12, 2018 at 12:39:47 pm

[Steve Connor]"Doesn't look like they'll be supporting ProRes 4K any time soon though"

ProResRAW. Interesting point of view that it is early days for the format. For Blackmagic, it's got shortcomings in color science. I'm sure they will support it but he seemed very meh about it. "just a container with a LUT.."


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Andrew Kimery
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 12, 2018 at 4:59:14 pm

The anecdotes from Shane and Michael are exactly my point. BM gets an insane amount of ink with every update to Resolve, but when it comes to finding users in the wild it's always 'I know a guy who know's a guy'. 😉 The real world usage just doesn't seem proportionate to how excited we get about the strides that Resolve is making.

I remember at NAB in 2015 (when Resolve added multicam as well as a bunch of audio and general playback improvements) everyone was talking about it being the year Resolve breaks out... but not so much. Eventually it will be 'the year'... or maybe not. 😉

[Walter Soyka] " I think the Good Enough Revolution favors the all-in-one approach."

I agree, though I don't know how compatible Blackmagic's approach is with the Good Enough Revolution. The GER in video post seems to centered around a strong NLE that has 'good enough' abilities in audio, grading, GFX/VFX, etc.,., with the trade off being that the tools are slimmed down ('good enough') and easier to use, but at the cost of having limited breadth and depth compared to stand alone audio, grading and GFX/VFX apps. For example, getting up to speed on the first party color tools in X or PPro in order to get good enough results will take much less time than teaching someone how to use Resolve.

Blackmagic is coming at this from a different angle though by pretty much putting four stand alone apps inside of Resolve. From their own marketing material, " It’s like getting 4 high end professional applications for the cost of one!" The GER approach doesn't jive though with having to learn multiple high end apps (with their breadth and depth) in order to get your work done.

Blackmagic's ideal situation seems to be the vision of a post house full of NLE, DAW, grading, GFX/VFX specialists that will all use Resolve for their respective disciplines. The major hurdle here is of course getting all those different specialists to use the tools BM is offering. It's the same hurdle Apple faced with getting specialists to use Soundtrack Pro or Motion, and the same hurdle that Adobe still faces today with apps like Audition (and formerly PPro). An ecosystem is only a selling point if everyone wants to join the ecosystem.

On an related note, I've seen two video editing jobs at Apple pop up in the past few months and both of them were looking for people with FCP X, PPro and AE skills. No mention of Motion. I don't think that's a slight at Motion's capabilities, I think it's more of an indication that the talent pool for Motion users isn't as broad or deep as the talent pool for AE users. If the best talent available doesn't use Resolve are you going to go with them and their software of choice, or are you going to keep going down the talent ladder until you find someone that uses Resolve (neither is the right, or wrong, approach for all situations)?

Assuming that Resolve as an NLE, DAW, GFX/VFX, grading super-tool does catch on then I think it's a big problem for all post software venders as even pay-once-upgrade-forever FCP X is way over priced by comparison.


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Scott Witthaus
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 12, 2018 at 5:31:04 pm

[Walter Soyka] "Are there any markets they're not trying to take with Resolve?"

Have not seen on request for Resolve as an editor. Spot work editorial, web marketing arena? None.

Color corrector? Yes. Editor? No.

[Walter Soyka] " I think the Good Enough Revolution favors the all-in-one approach."

OK, are you saying that Resolve and all it's tools are part of the "Good Enough Revolution"? I don't think they see themselves that way.

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Walter Soyka
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 16, 2018 at 10:08:28 am

[Scott Witthaus] "OK, are you saying that Resolve and all it's tools are part of the "Good Enough Revolution"? I don't think they see themselves that way."

Not like that. Resolve is not a product of the Good Enough Revolution. Resolve itself is leagues beyond "good enough." It offers the flexibility, convenience, and low cost of a Good Enough product, but without compromising on fidelity or power. Hats off to BMD!

But the Good Enough Revolution is happening, and I think it's clear a lot of Good Enough productions are powered by an all-in-one post-production mentality. One single person doing the cut, compositing, color, and sound? There are rare cases where that will be good, but myriads where it is Good Enough.

Resolve offers an all-in-one that ticks the Good Enough boxes across the major post-production disciplines. Resolve will support a lot of Good Enough production (just like Final Cut Studio did and the Adobe DVA apps continue to do with their faux all-in-ones).

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Michael Gissing
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 12, 2018 at 7:28:24 am

[Andrew Kimery] "We don't have to try hard to see where MC, PPro and X are being used, but aside from the occasional one-off story Resolve usage as an NLE seems invisible."

It all depends on focus. Outside of the circle of editors I am seeing a big uptake of use of Resolve. On a 5 camera shoot last night, every DP had Resolve and were talking excitedly about Resolve 15. I have a number of editors who have had Resolve up their sleeve for a few version now who are openly talking about it becoming their primary, particularly to facilitate a more seamless hand over to me for grade & sound. Even though they have their Pr, or X or 7 or MC as the primary they are using Resolve more and more. It feels very much like the way FCP unmined AVID all those years ago by being the go to NLE for personal use then rapidly became the primary. The RT performance has held Resolve back. The improvements to 14 and now the extra performance improvements in 15 might kick that door open.


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Mark Suszko
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 12, 2018 at 9:30:25 pm

Old codger remembrance time...

There was a time in the 80's. early 90's when every shop, cable station, local news station, and independent home editor I knew, regardless of what software NLE they were running publicly and "professionally"... had a pirated copy of Adobe Premiere *somewhere*. Usually an older version, kept in a back-up suite or something... but they had it and they had it running.

Adobe made noises like it would go after those pirate uses, but my recollection is that it was a weak, ineffectual effort at best... and it all couldn't have worked out better if it had been planned, because what that wave of pirated copies did was establish a wide, early user base of people who got their hands on the program and it captured a lot of mindshare in the editing community. More people used Premiere because of this exposure versus Avid, which was much more secure and locked-down by comparison back then.

I see DaVinci Resolve's "free taste" as a logical extension of that approach, and I think it's working better than we know.


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Oliver Peters
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 12, 2018 at 10:53:51 pm

The thing is that this all-in-one approach historically hasn’t worked for anyone. Avid DS is the obvious comparison, but Smoke is also largely gone from what I can tell. BMD is moving at lightning speed when it comes to their development pace and that takes its toll internally. Ultimately the concern is that this will hurt the core part of the product - the Resolve color correction portion.

The concept of having a facility that only runs on Resolve and you have various specialists (editor, mixer, colorist, VFX designer) all working with the same core application is a pipe dream. I could be wrong and it might work, but I just don’t see that.

Blackmagic has done a great job of buying up companies that were on their last legs financially, stripping out the unnecessary stuff and reivigorating what’s left under the BMD banner. Some of it good. Some of it less so. Of course, right or wrong, these companies would likely be gone without BMD or someone else picking them up. But putting everything under a single umbrella is still a big gamble.

Oliver

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David Cherniack
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 13, 2018 at 12:18:31 am

[Oliver Peters] "But putting everything under a single umbrella is still a big gamble."

I'll jump in and disagree. The big difference between Avid DS, and Smoke with Resolve is price point. By seeding a very capable free version and charging $300 for the studio version, Resolve is a total no-brainer and will find it's way into single person shops as well as the larger facilities by osmosis. The real question is, have they made a capable NLE, a capable color grader etc...and the answer with version 14 was, yes. Absolutely. Version 15 is, at least on paper, is exponentially even more so. T

he mistake being made here is to see it as appealing to separate groups of user skill sets. I personally don't see it that way. I'm interested in it as an NLE WITH color grading, nodal compositing, and sound capabilities. As I wade deeper into the colour and nodal compositing pages, their capabilities merge into my own tool set and I'm delighted by the extra creative possibilities they bring. Yes, I'll still take my Resolve project to a Resolve colorist but it will be to expand the color work that I've already laid down. Same with the sound mix.

Grant Petty's interview on Redshark is very revealing of their philosophy. At one point he says "We believe the traditional NLE is dead." As young people integrate the full Resolve toolset into their skills, I think he may prove to be right. At the very least, with version 15 they're storming the gates of the traditional NLE, if not the entire realm(s) of post production.

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Michael Gissing
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 13, 2018 at 1:25:34 am

It's always important to bear in mind the USA centric nature of much of the debate in this forum (and Mac centric too). I'm not surprised that the market there is slower to move. Being an Aussie and knowing the people at Blackmagic, I think they are way ahead of the game here. Resolve is not aimed at the good enough. It's surely priced there but that is not acknowledging the quality of the tools in 15.

It's aimed at both the skilled single user who wants best tools when it comes to grade and finish and the facility that will be finishing the job if required. Interchange is hugely important here and getting rid of interchange headaches is not to be underestimated. The edit tools and previous RT performance might be holding back the NLE part from some users but more and more they will get that right and then the obviousness of having a single project file that can be opened by all the collaborators or directly shared in bigger facilities will make this a no brainer.

No one has commented on them adding both tabbed timelines and pancaking plus support for .srt files or Fusion comps for titling. In one move they have covered both Adobe and Apples newer features and added so much more.

I'm seeing encouraging signs with the Fairlight improvements and the new control hardware. Again this is not aiming at good enough. I know most of my editing friends are playing with it and some have abandoned CC and X already. Interestingly the 7 holdouts (and they are still significant in my area) are saying Resolve is the likely replacement and some have switched already. I even have long time Avid devotees who now have Resolve and are probably going to switch, depending on what the post houses want. I remember when post houses that were Avid only started to have to have an FCP room. Even post houses that don't yet have Resolve will and gradually that may push Baselight rooms to Resolve just to be able to keep going with the grade work without exporting and translating. Blackmagic is probably more interesting in taking on Baselight and Pro Tools as that is where they will sell hardware. I suspect they aren't interested in taking on FCPX editors who are now wedded to the way X works but CC & Avid are hot targets. Apple are likely to be the greater threat to X with their glacial pace of development.

So while those editors in the US are wondering how this is translating from NAB to real world, the rest of the world is getting ahead of the game with Blackmagic. And with the comfort of knowing Blackmagic is listening, committed to this market and getting so much better with each release, I can be confident that the winds of change will reach your conservative shores, probably sooner than you think. Blackmagic might be developing at high speed but they are playing a long game.


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Oliver Peters
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 13, 2018 at 2:55:55 am

While that may all be true, the editors with the skills to do all of the functions that are available in Resolve going forward - and do them well - are few and far between. The hardest part in this equation is to shift loyal ProTools users to Fairlight and loyal AE or Nuke users to Fusion.

And don’t kid yourself. If you start the mix or color and then take it to an outside specialist, the first thing they will do is remove all of the grades and mixes that you have done and start from scratch.

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Michael Gissing
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 13, 2018 at 4:17:55 am

[Oliver Peters] "And don’t kid yourself. If you start the mix or color and then take it to an outside specialist, the first thing they will do is remove all of the grades and mixes that you have done and start from scratch."

Oh I understand that well as that's what I normally do, although I am more reluctant to blow away grades than audio work. But I am also talking about a new generation of editors that might be a bit better than us old Luddites. I am also talking about me starting remote grading by collaborating. For fast turnaround this pre fine cut grade work is a big time saver.

I have one job coming eventually that is being cut on Resolve and I will be taking over the grade from the DP who is also the editor. So he will cut and grade as he goes, then hand over to a fine cut editor and start collaboration with me on the grades. Also a fair bit of his audio work will carry through because he knows what he is doing and I will give him a track/ mix template to work with so a lot of work will carry through.


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greg janza
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 13, 2018 at 4:48:46 am

[Oliver Peters] " If you start the mix or color and then take it to an outside specialist, the first thing they will do is remove all of the grades and mixes that you have done and start from scratch."

Color and sound mixing are two areas of post production that remain highly inefficient and both are in need of streamlining.

Most projects that I work on end up fully colored and sound mixed in the rough cut/fine cut stage because it seems that clients nowadays have a very hard time watching cuts that look off or sound incorrect. So even if the project has a budget to send the audio to a sound mixer and the color work to a colorist there's a lot of wasted time both on the front end making it look and sound good but also the prep work to hand off to a sound mixer or colorist.

So I welcome the idea of keeping as much of the final mastering within the original edit program or at least to have a workflow where all of that front end work isn't wasted time once a colorist or sound mixer gets onboard.

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Steve Connor
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 13, 2018 at 10:46:41 am

[greg janza] "Most projects that I work on end up fully colored and sound mixed in the rough cut/fine cut stage because it seems that clients nowadays have a very hard time watching cuts that look off or sound incorrect."

So VERY true!

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David Cherniack
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 13, 2018 at 6:37:12 am

[Oliver Peters] "And don’t kid yourself. If you start the mix or color and then take it to an outside specialist, the first thing they will do is remove all of the grades and mixes that you have done and start from scratch."

Hmmm there's a presumption there that if it was turned into a wager I would happily take on. (However it wouldn't be fair because I'm not only tolerably skillful with colour and sound, I'm also the producer of my films☺) But even assuming that the comment was not directed at me personally, but was a general reflection on the segmentation of the industry, I still think it misses the point that Resolve, because of its price point and incredibly deep tool set, is opening up areas of creativity to editors that have never existed before and there will be many, especially in a new generation, who will happily and skillfully put them to use.

David
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Oliver Peters
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 13, 2018 at 12:19:40 pm

Definitely a generalized statement and not meant personally in any way, shape or form. But this toolset has and does exist elsewhere, though maybe not as deep in some areas.

Oliver

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David Cherniack
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 13, 2018 at 12:31:05 pm

[Oliver Peters] "But this toolset has and does exist elsewhere, though maybe not as deep in some areas."

In some places, deeper, but with colour, they're few and far between. And nowhere near the same price point. This is the main reason why with v. 15 I think they will be a major player.

David
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Oliver Peters
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 13, 2018 at 1:13:56 pm

I agree that price is the critical factor. If R15 were available at $2K, $5K or more, it would never get the interest that it has.

Oliver

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Andrew Kimery
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 15, 2018 at 6:31:39 am

Michael,
I don't suppose you have links to any articles/blogs about people using Resolve primarily as an NLE and/or DAW do you? For Avid, FCP X and PPro it's easy to find 'case studies' (across the world) but even on the Resolve FB group I'm part of (I think it has around 15k members) almost all of the talk is about the grading side of Resolve (or tech questions of course). I've yet to stumble across posts about people using it for primarily NLE or DAW work.


David,
Could you expand more on what you think Grant meant by 'traditional' NLE? Did he mean an NLE that was primarily focused on editing while capable of doing other things 'good enough' like audio mixing, GFX/VFX, color grading, etc.,?


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Oliver Peters
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 15, 2018 at 12:18:28 pm
Last Edited By Oliver Peters on Apr 15, 2018 at 12:25:29 pm

[Andrew Kimery] "I don't suppose you have links to any articles/blogs about people using Resolve primarily as an NLE and/or DAW do you? "

These blog posts from Marco Solorio might help:

http://www.onerivermedia.com/blog/editing-in-davinci-resolve-1-year-later/
http://www.onerivermedia.com/blog/dcs-presentation-why-davinci-resolve-stud...
http://www.onerivermedia.com/blog/fairlight-part-1-the-dawn-of-a-resolved-e...

A bit older, but there's also this:

https://www.creativeplanetnetwork.com/news-features/daniel-myrick-and-davin...

- Oliver

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David Cherniack
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 15, 2018 at 12:53:18 pm

[Andrew Kimery] "David,
Could you expand more on what you think Grant meant by 'traditional' NLE? Did he mean an NLE that was primarily focused on editing while capable of doing other things 'good enough' like audio mixing, GFX/VFX, color grading, etc.,?"


Yes, exactly. 'Good enough' in those areas is clearly NOT what they've been developing. He stressed the idea of creative freedom a lot in the interview and by acquiring and then integrating Fairlight and Fusion they added a lot of deep functionality to the editing process, Meanwhile they've built their own editor from scratch...not an easy thing to do these days...and succeeded. Does it have holes and incomplete features? You bet! At their pace of development how could it not? OTOH, compared to FCPX, the next most recent NLE on the block, whose pace of development is comparatively glacial, it's amazing that it's now as far along as it is. I would describe it as 'mature' and expect that a lot of large films will be giving Resolve 15 a shot in editorial. Will they still send it out for compositing work? Probably less and less, as they'll do a much of it in Fusion. Same with sound in Fairlight. And likely they'll stay in Resolve for color.

So, come late Summer, when they'll likely release 15.0, I expect we'll see a lot of case studies. I also expect that a lot of new 'holes' will show up. The real challenge for Blackmagic will be in a year, if they can resist conforming to expectations and instead of announcing killer new features, just concentrate on making it better as it is. But, then again, what could they possibly add on? 3D modeling? Well, best not to speculate. Nothing much would surprise me at this point.

David
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Michael Gissing
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 16, 2018 at 2:37:30 am
Last Edited By Michael Gissing on Apr 16, 2018 at 2:37:49 am

[Andrew Kimery] "I don't suppose you have links to any articles/blogs..."

I don't Andrew. I just don't read or subscribe to any bloggers. I am talking mostly about direct contact with the pool of post people who feed work through to me. I've not heard of any Fairlight users switching from their stand alones but I have had some good feedback from editors who are enjoying using the page in Resolve. V15 might make more difference as it was mentioned that Resolve will be able to open older Fairlight project files, plus things like controllers and SFX libraries and built in pitch & FX tools are getting Resolve/ Fairlight closer to the amenity of the stand alone.

However I can state my own circumstance. I've just edited and graded an 84 minute 4k video wall that played behind the music production "A Tasmanian Requiem". I'm about to edit the concert performance which I covered with ten angles and 14 iso channels of audio which I intend to mix in Resolve to 5.1 . Then my feature doco about the story behind creating the music performance will all be cut, graded and mixed in Resolve in 4k (UHD) and 5.1 surround. So the improvements in 15 have come just at the right time and I'll happily do a write up about it.


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Andrew Kimery
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 21, 2018 at 3:21:37 am

Oliver,
Thank you for links!


Michael,
I'd love to see a write up about your experiences if you have the time to do a write up.


Thank you everyone for chiming in. Sorry I haven't been able to be more active in the discussion.


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Michael Gissing
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 21, 2018 at 2:41:20 pm

[Andrew Kimery]"Michael, I'd love to see a write up about your experiences if you have the time to do a write up."

I mentioned this project to Tim a couple of years ago when I first started and he seemed keen for an article. The project got postponed a year and so I didn't followed up but I will do a write up once I've progressed the post production stage a bit further.


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jim jordan
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 17, 2018 at 5:44:36 pm

For me Resolve is the most powerful visual storytelling tool I have ever used. I’ve been on Avid, CC and FCP7. It’s color correction is the excellent. The edit system is excellent! I could get deep into its structure but that will take lots of text. Most things are intuitive, but it is a different structure. Effects and plugins are engaged in the color page. An example of something not intuitive based on other NLE’s you have used is keying. You will have to find a tutorial on the process. In fact, I recommend you pay an online tutorial service to learn the software to its fullest. If you are coming from FCP7 or looking for a replacement for FCP give Resolve a hard look. A comment I got from someone at Blackmagic was, “It’s no secret that one of the lead engineers of Resolve is from the Apple (FCP7) team.

I started using Resolve three years ago after acquiring a new camera that records 4k ProRes. The cloud edit software I was using could not play the footage without sputtering. I fired up Resolve (12) and on the same hardware could play and edit footage without rendering perfectly.

Here is the challenge, “changing your edit software is like changing a religion, once you pick one it’s hard to change”. You will be glad you did.

I have three suites utilizing Resolve. We are set to collaborate on projects. MacPro late2013 8core, dual D700 GPUs.

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Trevor Asquerthian
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 13, 2018 at 6:18:16 am

I’ve been using Resolve for a couple of years for grading - mostly round-tripping from PP.

Editing still feels a little way off - needs a critical mass of competent editors using it, feeding back & being listened to to get it over the line I think.

Same goes for Fusion/VFX and Fairlight/Mixers. But the price point is very attractive to owner/operators and production companies.

And lots of the DS folk seem to be using it already.



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David Cherniack
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 13, 2018 at 1:13:52 pm

I have a visual Effects project that was shot on the Ursa Mini Pro 4.6k CDNG at 3:1 compression. No other NLE can presently handle that without transcoding, which was not part of the workflow for various reasons. So the decision was made to edit the VFx sequences in Resolve 14. I found it a capable editor but missing a few features compared to PrPro that required working around. V. 15 seems to be filling in the gap with most, if not all of them. But even in 14 I could do things in the color page with layered EXRs out of Nuke that can't be done in the Adobe ecosystem, as good as it is.

David
http://AllinOneFilms.com


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Tom Sefton
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 15, 2018 at 2:44:58 pm

Most certainly will be using it a lot more - already use resolve and fusion for finishing our projects so this is a nice fit.

The way I see it, black magic are going after a part of the market that isn’t too worried about shared projects and defined roles within a team; they are taking aim squarely at the people who fly solo and previously relied on adobe cc or fcpx and motion. £300 for the full resolve license which also includes fusion light and a good editor and a top of the range sound editor that doesn’t require unlearning tracks is a massive offering.

Co-owner at Pollen Studio
http://www.pollenstudio.co.uk


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Arthur Bell
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 17, 2018 at 3:39:39 pm

At the end of the day ' free' may be the toughest feature to combat.
This used to be AVID's world. Final Cut Pro 3 though 7 gave the adventurous pro's a good run.
Adobe Cs6 maybe? added 'FCP 7 Keyboard shortcuts' a small but brilliant trojan horse as the uproar over X.
Premiere has become very strong, very full featured - except for grading. SO..they bought IRADAS, one of the more stunning demo's @ NAB maybe 7 years ago.
Out popped 'Speedgrade' good, but terrible integration. A slow painful death over the next few years as the promising toy LUMETRI appeared.
Resolve continued to add more editing, audio etc. and better integration into the Premiere workflow.
Lumetri continued to get one percent better a few times a year ..as we waited.
Resolve adds Free 4K up to 3840
Resolve drops price to $300
Lumetri adds nice support for Canon raw - and another few checkboxes to their color tool set - but they still can't spell 'secondaries', easy tracking and a hundred other things the industry needs every day.
NAB 2018 Resolve adds Vfx...a trojan horse on AE....the light of a distant train coming down the track.
A pro editing solution without a pro color solution is not a solution going forward.
I have never used Resolve to edit, but we have fully integrated Resolve color into our workflow. The cost of 4 Adobe seats per month is something I re-visit every few months...the day may be coming.


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Paul Carlin
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 17, 2018 at 7:17:18 pm
Last Edited By Paul Carlin on Apr 17, 2018 at 7:18:44 pm

If I was an up and coming YouTuber, the new 4K pocket camera and the included Resolve software would be very interesting to me. I appreciate BMD for putting so much effort into improving their products (listening to users) and see their long-term strategy to be wise and disrupting in a good way.


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Bob Cole
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 17, 2018 at 8:11:21 pm

Great thread, people.

I have a tendency to stick with what I know: film on a Steenbeck, then D/Vision Pro/Edit, and currently FCP7.

For me, moving to a new NLE is like entering a marriage. You have to "take the plunge," commit to the new method, and accept that things will be new, great, and sometimes scary-as-hell. The main thing is DON'T GO BACK. (To be honest, marriage-marriage was easy by comparison.)

I have, so far, only been "dating" Resolve, mainly due to performance issues. It always seems to require a more powerful computer than whatever I have. I could make that happen today, with a desktop machine. But I need Resolve to run, and run well, on a laptop, preferably a Mac. When that happens, I'll buy that laptop, install Resolve Version Whatever, and... get married.

Thanks for the illuminating thread. My only contribution is a question: Do you think Blackmagic has the staying power to take Resolve to the point where it is a standard?

Bob C


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Steve Connor
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 17, 2018 at 9:33:34 pm

[Bob Cole] "I have, so far, only been "dating" Resolve, mainly due to performance issues. It always seems to require a more powerful computer than whatever I have. I could make that happen today, with a desktop machine. But I need Resolve to run, and run well, on a laptop, preferably a Mac. When that happens, I'll buy that laptop, install Resolve Version Whatever, and... get married.
"


Been editing with Resolve 15 on a 2013 MacBook Pro and I have to say it's working really well, it's certainly worth downloading 15 onto whatever you have to take it out on another "date"

"Traditional NLEs have timelines. FCPX has storylines" W.Soyka


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Michael Gissing
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 17, 2018 at 10:24:34 pm
Last Edited By Michael Gissing on Apr 17, 2018 at 10:28:21 pm

[Bob Cole] "Do you think Blackmagic has the staying power to take Resolve to the point where it is a standard?"

Yes. Blackmagic have been around for a while and they are totally focused on their products - no distractions. they are making money and are run by someone who cut his teeth in broadcast and post production in Australia.

Importantly they seem to have managed the move from small to global without crashing and burning, a problem that other innovative companies have failed to master.


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Mark Suszko
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 17, 2018 at 11:11:47 pm

Cheer up, Bob - it happens to a lot of guys.


-Upgrades, I mean;-)


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Paul O'Brien
Re: 'Winning' NAB vs winning new users
on Apr 18, 2018 at 9:26:22 pm

In my pond, blackmagic design (BMD) started off as a small, almost non-existent whisper, but this year the company's new content stirred up a pretty good thread amongst the local shooters and cutters and for the first time people took notice or Resolve (15) . Mind, it's a small group, but the consensus was such that "Adobe is no longer an enjoyable solution, it's just what we use, more begrudgingly than otherwise. And I can use FCPX too." At Adobe's monthly/yearly subscription model, I think a certain type of fatigue has hit. So an alternative is at least welcome.
That, and my experience has been that Adobe software/premiere pro has gotten more and more buggy, glitchy, and unreliable over the last couple years even after getting a new up-to-date system. But no, across computers from 2012 (decidedly old and time to be set to pasture) to 2018 (new, and nothing odd about the setup in anyway), Adobe stuff has constantly been the only thorn in my computers' proverbial sides.
I dabbled with Resolve 14, and it was OK as an alternative, not bad, but I couldn't switch over just at that time (blast Adobe and their legacy!). I haven't touched 15, but in my personal life, I'm going to have the opportunity for a hard, clean break of everything Adobe (asterisk I have a legal license for Creative Suite 5.5 so, no CC for me, that is) and switch off Adobe cold turkey to try out Resolve (and maybe the other programs in the package). Plus he pocket cinema camera 4k is very intriguing, and barring horrible reviews it'll be my next purchase as I also have the good fortune to wait and see if Canon will update their full frame hdslr (or mirrorless, I'm indifferent to the camera format) with competitive 4k video.


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