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Duke Sweden
First time correcting skin tones using scopes only. Opinions needed
on Mar 18, 2017 at 6:08:59 pm

ok, this time, for the first time ever, I used strictly the waveform and RGB parade to adjust my skin tones. This, according to those scopes, is perfect skin tone. On my monitor it looks like crap. How does this look on your properly calibrated monitors? If it looks good then I guess I'll tweak my monitor until it looks good and then I can assume my monitor is as eyeball calibrated as it's gonna get. If this looks like crap to you too, please let me know.



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Vince Becquiot
Re: First time correcting skin tones using scopes only. Opinions needed
on Mar 18, 2017 at 7:11:06 pm
Last Edited By Vince Becquiot on Mar 18, 2017 at 9:12:27 pm

Hey Duke,

That doesn't look right, you should really use the scope for skin tone.

Use the waveform for brightness adjustments.

Here's a nice tutorial that should get you going nicely, post your results!

https://library.creativecow.net/gleissenber_tobias/premiere_pro_advanced_co...


Vince

Vince Becquiot

Indigo Live | Kaptis Media

San Francisco Bay Area


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Duke Sweden
Re: First time correcting skin tones using scopes only. Opinions needed
on Mar 19, 2017 at 3:02:07 am

Hey Vince, thanks for responding. I DID use my scopes. I didn't go by what the skin tones were looking like at all. I cropped down to my forehead and made adjustments until my skin was between 50 and 70 IRE (I could only get it to between 50 and 60) and my vectorscope had a small thin line precisely on the skin tone line. And you're saying it looks like crap on your monitor too? *sigh*

I'll give that tutorial a shot tomorrow morning and post back the results. Thanks again.


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Tero Ahlfors
Re: First time correcting skin tones using scopes only. Opinions needed
on Mar 18, 2017 at 9:47:21 pm

There is no "perfect skintone"-value because skin looks different depending on the lighting situation.


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Vince Becquiot
Re: First time correcting skin tones using scopes only. Opinions needed
on Mar 18, 2017 at 9:50:27 pm

You can get very close using the skin tone line because the value depends on "blood vessels", which is why is also works on different skin colors.

http://aaronwilliams.tv/2010/12/colorist-tip-7-skin-tone-line/

Vince Becquiot

Indigo Live | Kaptis Media

San Francisco Bay Area


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Duke Sweden
Re: First time correcting skin tones using scopes only. Opinions needed
on Mar 19, 2017 at 3:05:04 am

Again, Vince, I did use the Vectorscope skintone line. Anyway, I'll try your tutorial tomorrow. Cheers!


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Duke Sweden
Re: First time correcting skin tones using scopes only. Opinions needed
on Mar 19, 2017 at 3:04:12 am

I meant perfect according to my scopes. Are you saying if the lighting is too dark, for example, then I shouldn't get my skin tones between 50 and 70 IRE?


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Duke Sweden
Re: First time correcting skin tones using scopes only. Opinions needed
on Mar 19, 2017 at 3:24:34 am

ok, I've seen that tut before and the guy annoys me. I hate those stupid "I'm funny like Andrew Kramer" routines. Anyway, I did a quick correction. This time I made the changes to the flat image (I did it to the tweaked image before). I'm including the corrected image and the same image with some post. It looks not as red heavy as before. Anyway, let me know. Suggestions also welcome (Too dark, too saturated, etc)
Thanks again.

Corrected image (Vectorscope on skin line, IRE between 50 and 70)


Color graded image


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Vince Becquiot
Re: First time correcting skin tones using scopes only. Opinions needed
on Mar 19, 2017 at 3:42:53 am

Hey Duke,

Here's my version. Obviously, I'm correcting a previously corrected image:

0_skintone.00_00_00_00.still002.png

I dropped the saturation a tad and fixed exposure, crushed blacks.

Vince Becquiot

Indigo Live | Kaptis Media

San Francisco Bay Area


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Duke Sweden
Re: First time correcting skin tones using scopes only. Opinions needed
on Mar 19, 2017 at 12:23:48 pm

Thanks, Vince! It appears that compared to your version I'm increasing saturation too much and darkening just bit. That's just a look I go for, but I definitely need to cut down on my saturation. Cheers!


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Vince Becquiot
Re: First time correcting skin tones using scopes only. Opinions needed
on Mar 19, 2017 at 1:32:21 pm

Hi Duke,

Yes, definitely less saturation. There seems to be a mix of green in part of your face as well, that could just be grass reflections.

If you want to calibrate your screen, look at one of these:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1130968-REG/datacolor_s5p100_spyder5...

Vince Becquiot

Indigo Live | Kaptis Media

San Francisco Bay Area


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Duke Sweden
Re: First time correcting skin tones using scopes only. Opinions needed
on Mar 19, 2017 at 7:11:23 pm

No, that's just 63 year old, too many years on a bike weather beaten skin you're seeing 😉

Since I do this strictly for myself it doesn't pay to get calibration equipment. I'd rather put the money into a faster PC. Anyway, this is my last attempt. I downloaded some stills from one of those beautifully shot Maybelline commercials and checked out the scopes. Then tried to get them as close as possible with a still from my video. Here's the result. And thanks again for taking time to help.


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Michael Foster
Re: First time correcting skin tones using scopes only. Opinions needed
on Mar 20, 2017 at 7:52:35 pm

Hi,

I think most of the help you need is already provided, but instead of guessing and trying to correct for monitor shortcomings, simply get a spidyer. http://spyder.datacolor.com/

I use it all the time and I haven't had any issues since!

-Foster


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Duke Sweden
Re: First time correcting skin tones using scopes only. Opinions needed
on Mar 20, 2017 at 10:04:51 pm

Thanks, Mike, but I'm an amateur who does this for fun. If I had extra money to spend on spyder's I would put it into a faster PC, for one thing. I realize I'm trying to do this on the cheap and I expect to get less than optimum results. I just want to get close enough, for my own satisfaction. Cheers!


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