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Duke SwedenIs the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 11, 2016 at 12:40:49 am

...a good editing workstation for someone like me? As I've told you countless times I'm strictly an amateur. But my current PC is NOT made for video editing, very laggy and all. I'm pretty sure a Z820 might be stretching the lower limits for pros like yourselves, but would it be much more than adequate for someone like me? I'm asking those of you who are familiar with my level of incompetence ;-).

This all may be moot, of course. I can get one for a decent price but I may chicken out. Buyer's remorse and all. But for future reference...
Thanks in advance!


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David Roth WeissRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 11, 2016 at 2:13:42 am

Was an awesome machine until the Z840 was released. Now it's only semi-awesome... However, there are many versions, all with different processors - if you get the precise specs on the Xeons inside I can help you, as I sold many of them while working for a well-known reseller a couple of years back. BTW, if it only has a single Xeon, not dual Xeons, don't even think about it.

Oh, and be prepared to buy a newer GPU for it, as you can get vastly more powerful cards today for a fraction of the price of what was available when that machine was new.

David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist & Workflow Consultant
David Weiss Productions
Los Angeles


David is a Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Apple Final Cut Pro forum.


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Chris WrightRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 11, 2016 at 4:20:49 am

Are you PC or Mac?


why get the Intel Xeon Processor E5-2643 v2 benchmark 11735 $1808 if you can get
Intel Core i7-5960X @ 3.00GHz 16,000 for only $1049?
you only need Xeon for > 64GB ram. the EEC kind which is waaayy more expensive too.

adobe 2015 cc doesn't support multiprocessing anyway.
or if you need software that supports these extra virtual cores


so unless you're rendering c4d or running a server farm, I'd say 512GB ram is a waste of money.
put the money towards a nice raid system

Get one with Thunderbolt 3 that can transfer data at up to 40Gbps (gigbits per second)
AKiTiO Thunder3 Duo Pro 3 External RAID Storage Thunder3 Duo Pro gives Adobe Premiere the ability to edit and playback MULTIPLE streams of HD and/or 4K content and can daisy chain multiple 4K displays simultaneously.


and a good card for cuda playback in premiere. 2x nvidia quadrio M6000
or a Blackmagic Design DeckLink Studio 4K.

You could build a really nice system yourself for very very cheap. Choose your own hard drives, sound card, gfx cards, thunderbolt 3's, not someone elses prepackaged humdrum.

that HP stuff is living in the dark ages with thunderbolt 2, but then again, its entirely up to you.


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 11, 2016 at 4:27:00 am

I knew you guys would come through. I wish I could read your comments while responding. This message board is soooo 1996!!!
Chris, see, I didn't know that 512 whatever it was would be overkill for me. Anyway as it happened, the one I was going to get had NO hard drives so I backed out. But with the info you gave me I definitely will go in that direction. It did have two Xeon's, Dave. I forget what else you had asked but, like I said, it's a moot point now. But as Chris said, definitely overkill for my needs.

Thanks again for taking the time to answer the questions of lil ol' me ;-)


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Jeff PuleraRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 11, 2016 at 4:09:35 pm

Hi Duke,

Simple question, what is your budget for a new editing PC?

Your idea of a basic machine, and the ideas of professional post house editors may not match up, different leagues. Don't jump into anything just yet.

Thanks

Jeff


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 11, 2016 at 4:37:34 pm

Hi Jeff,
I have no budget for an editing PC. Take your idea of a total amateur who does this for his own enjoyment, and then cut that assessment in half. That's me. Only reason I was looking into this was I'd read where the Z820 was an excellent machine. I also read that they go for upwards of $2-6,000.00. So when I saw one for bid on Ebay at $780.00 I jumped in. As it turned out it didn't have hard drives, and the final bid was $1500+. I was just looking for opinions on it before I committed a bid. I've since found out that you need to add a lot of stuff to an editing workstation, so I will continue to trudge along with my measly HP Envy w/12 gigs of RAM and Intel graphics card.

Thanks for responding, though!


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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 11, 2016 at 6:12:17 pm

Duke -

I've been the very happy owner of an HP Z800 spaceship since 2013. I puchased it refurbished from a guy in Texas who buys off-lease pallet loads of them from the likes of Pixar and others. He then pulls them apart, refurbs and sells them on *bay. I picked mine up with 48GB of RAM, dual Xeon 3.2mHz processors, an NVidia graphics card (since replaced with a faster one), and two 2TB storage drives for 1300 bucks! All I had to add was an OS, an SSD for the OS, and the old drives from my previous workstation. It's still kicking butt almost 3 years later, and it is a true enterprise class workstation. You can pull it apart right down to the motherboard with no tools! I see them all the time on *bay, as well as the Z820s (one gen back from the current crop of spaceships) for cheap. Just vet the seller carefully and you'll be good to go. And all the support manuals and guides are on the HP site.

Joe Bourke
Owner/Creative Director
Bourke Media
http://www.bourkemedia.com


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 12, 2016 at 2:23:52 am

Thanks, Joe! I was wondering about the Z800 but $1300 bucks plus all the other stuff you had to add is a bit beyond my budget. Well, not really my budget, but for what I want to do (see included video above) I guess it's overkill. Like buying a Ferrari to go grocery shopping. But, believe me, as always I'm really grateful for the time you guys take to answer my questions.
Cheers!


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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 12, 2016 at 4:31:49 am

Duke -

That was just the price I paid. I wanted the fastest clock speed dual Xeons available at the time, and the 48GB of RAM. I run all of the Adobe products, plus 3D Studio Max.

If you look at what's on *bay, you'll see that they can be had starting in the $400. range for a dual Xeon machine. The trick is to find a good seller, plus the most RAM you think you'll need. I say the minimum should be 16 - 24GB. The beauty of this type of buy is that the machine can be upgraded whenever you want, and easily.

Joe Bourke
Owner/Creative Director
Bourke Media
http://www.bourkemedia.com


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 13, 2016 at 1:02:56 am

Hey Joe, quick question. Does the Z800 have HDMI out?


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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 13, 2016 at 4:06:23 am

That's dependent on the graphics card you put in it. The Nvidia Quadro 4000 card in my Z800 has Displayport and DVI outputs, but it's easy to throw an HDMI adapter on the Displayport output. Of course if you want, you can throw whatever graphics card you want in there, there's lot's of room on the motherboard:

http://www2.hp.com/Hpsub/downloads/Optimizing_PCI-Express_on_Z800_3-18-09.p...'>http://h20331.http://www2.hp.com/Hpsub/downloads/Optimizing_PCI-Express_on_Z800_3-18-09.p...

A number of the Nvidia GeForce cards have HDMI ports.

Joe Bourke
Owner/Creative Director
Bourke Media
http://www.bourkemedia.com


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Chris WrightRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 12, 2016 at 12:30:32 am

ah, ok well consider this micro upgrade.

a single SSD Samsung 951 Pro hits 2 GB/s $195 could easily handle 4k cache. so you could run multiple streams with one card without needing a raid controller! but do you have a m.2 spot on your motherboard?


Nvidia GTX 970-980 for 4k cuda playback $300-400

You'd at least stop hitting your head on playback and ram previews.


have you tried my fix-all post on premiere playback smoothness?
https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/3/974834#974842


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 12, 2016 at 2:18:40 am

ah, ok well consider this micro upgrade.

a single SSD Samsung 951 Pro hits 2 GB/s $195 could easily handle 4k cache. so you could run multiple streams with one card without needing a raid controller! but do you have a m.2 spot on your motherboard?


Nvidia GTX 970-980 for 4k cuda playback $300-400

You'd at least stop hitting your head on playback and ram previews.


have you tried my fix-all post on premiere playback smoothness?
https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/3/974834#974842

Hey Chris,
Thanks for taking the time to respond! OK, first things first, I don't see myself investing in 4K capabilities. It's really not worth it for what I do, but I imagine your suggested setup would scream with 1080p content, right? Now, I've been in computers since 1995 but I have honestly never heard of an m.2 spot so I have no idea if I have one on my motherboard. The fact that it has an Intel integrated graphics card suggests I probably don't, but I'll google if this model has one. Assuming I do, are you suggesting that I should get both the SSD Samsung 951 Pro as well as an Nvidia GTX 970-980?

btw, just to remind any of you who may respond to this thread, this is as complex as my "art" gets






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Chris WrightRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 12, 2016 at 3:54:52 am

here is the realtime playback chart created by the foundry
http://help.thefoundry.co.uk/nuke/9.0/content/comp_environment/realtime_pla...
1080p is @ 197.75 MB/sec


if you don't have a m.2, you can get the sata III SSD
Samsung 850 PRO SSD 512GB $219
random read write @ 2mb 300 MB/sec or 4k read 34 MB/sec write 80 MB/sec could handle multiple hd streams
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-2-5-Inch-SATA-Internal-MZ-7KE2T0BW/dp/B010QD6...

nvidia GTX 960-970 could easily handle cuda hd playback
https://forums.adobe.com/message/3377595


what is cuda and what does it accelerate? if you don't use any of these, you won't see much performance increase
Lumetri Deep Color Engine
- supported effects
- scaling
- deinterlacing
- transitions
- blending modes
- color space conversions
- maximum render quality
http://blogs.adobe.com/premierepro/2011/02/cuda-mercury-playback-engine-and...


Performance tips for slow hard drives.
---------------
-Before you buy a new hard drive for Windows
determine what speeds you need with the codecs and compression in your NLE
and try to optimize OS disk usage
1. leave at least 15% free hd space
2. defrag
3. set power options to performance or gpu gets throttled
4. set some windows services to manual and stop writing other backgrond programs to disk
5. cmd as administrator
"chkdsk c: /r"
will repair any slow sections on your spinning hard drive by writing a new fat table. Warning! this takes hours.

6. in bios, performance set as ahci mode(if no raid)
7. disable drive indexing
8. disable windows search
9. disable superfetch
10. disabling prefetch

and for ssd's only!
1.connect to motherboard intel ports (color grey) , not marvell/lamd ports (color navy blue)
2. do not defrag ssd's, instead have schedules of trim command sent to the os
check with cmd then "fsutil behavior query disabledeletenotify" if return 0 means its running

---------------------
basically my summary is this, buy the SSD first and see if it meets your needs enough before buying a gfx card.


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 12, 2016 at 1:32:09 pm

Yikes, my head is spinning here, guys. I have a feeling you didn't watch my retro masterpiece "Blinky & Noodles Go To Woodstock" ;-)

I will look into both options, Chris and Joseph's. As always I'll report back my final decision.

Thanks AGAIN, guys!


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 13, 2016 at 4:54:04 pm

Hey Joe (or any of you guys), I can get this one for $699.00, currently trying to get him down to $685.00. Worth it at either price?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/161745839788?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageNam...


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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 13, 2016 at 6:43:31 pm

Hi Duke -

That looks like a good machine, and the processors appear to be a newer model than mine, and are also the fastest Xeon offered in that generation of Z800. One thing I noticed is that I think the seller got the processor speed wrong (by .3Mhz - nothing you'd notice). I would double check with him and make sure that all of the internal housings are included (4 drive sleds, and all of the airflow cowlings - there are two major ones), and that if anything is missing, he will provide them. If his photos are accurate, all the drive sleds and airflow cowlings are there. This is just a double check - when I bought my Z800, there was one drive sled missing, and one cowling didn't have a proper connector to the chassis. The seller, in my case, made good on it, and quickly.

Here's a list of the varying specs on that model:

http://www2.hp.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docId=emr_na-c01709724'>http://h20564.http://www2.hp.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docId=emr_na-c01709724

You've also got room to double your RAM, and you could do that pretty cheaply. There are currently six RAM slots open. But I would see how performance is before jumping into that. I would suggest you go to an SSD drive for your OS, but since the media isn't provided for Win7, you'd probably have to spring for a license. My current setup has an SSD OS drive, an Apps drive (all installed apps), and two 2TB media drives. I also added an Orico dock in the front of the machine, which allows me to slide in an internal hard drive for client backups. I also have an 8TB Drobo for regular backups. You shouldn't need any of that stuff off the bat - I didn't add that stuff until a few months down the road. I'm still adding stuff, and there are lots of inexpensive possibilities available, such as adding a USB 3.0 board (for about 20 bucks or so), since the machine comes with USB 2.0 ports. I haven't had a speed problem, since my Drobo is connected via FireWire (there are two FW ports, front and back). You might want to ask which power supply is in the machine - there are two options, an 850w and an 1110w. You'd only run into the need for an 1110w PS if you're going to run multiple high-end Nvidia cards.

Here's the page for the motherload of HP Z800 documents. Anything you'd ever want to know is there, plus more:

http://www2.hp.com/portal/site/hpsc/public/psi/manualsResults?sp4ts.oid=371...'>https://h20566.http://www2.hp.com/portal/site/hpsc/public/psi/manualsResults?sp4ts.oid=371...

Let me know if you have any questions. Walter Soyka is also a good source of info on the Z800 and later machines, since he owns at least one of them, and is technically way ahead of my knowledge.

Joe Bourke
Owner/Creative Director
Bourke Media
http://www.bourkemedia.com


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 13, 2016 at 7:27:35 pm

Yikes, I don't think I have any room left in my brain for Walter Soyko! Thanks so much Joe. So, considering what I would use it for, as is it's got everything I need? That was my main question. It's not missing any necessary parts as far as you can see? Remember, the one I was bidding on had no hard drives. That's what I'm talking about. I've got spare keyboards and mousii ;-)

Assuming everything is as he says it is I can just plug it in and start editing (after installing my software, of course)?


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 13, 2016 at 10:20:44 pm

Hey Joe, the guy accepted my offer of $685.00 plus shipping (45 bucks). Good deal? I sent him a message asking about the sleds and that other stuff. I should hear back from him soon, so I hope you see this in time to get back to me.
Thanks for all your help.


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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 14, 2016 at 2:20:19 am

Hi Duke -

If you're comfortable with having your apps installed on one drive, you're good to go. I know that Adobe suggests that you have your cache files on a separate drive from the app, but, that said, you can get away with having it all on one drive. It may not be optimally fast, but I'm sure that with the sheer horsepower and RAM, you're going to be way ahead of where you are now.

If that photo is the actual machine, it appears that all the drive sleds are there (bottom right internal photo), and the airflow cowlings as well. I think I saw that he had a 90 day warranty on everything, so you should be good to go.

It would be nice if you had a drive for your apps and cache files, and for future reference, B&H sells what they call "used" hard drives, but they're really just returns. You can get a 500GB internal drive for under 50 bucks. I just bought a 2TB replacement drive "used" for my Drobo, and it's just like new!

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/801241167-USE/wd_wd5000aakx_500_gb_ca...

Joe Bourke
Owner/Creative Director
Bourke Media
http://www.bourkemedia.com


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 14, 2016 at 2:45:36 am

Hey Joe, can I use my current computer as a separate hard drive? Or possibly my 500 gig external drive? I did write the guy and he confirmed the sleds were included. He also seems to be a good seller as he has 100% rating, has been with ebay since 1999, and has answered both my messages to him on a Sunday night.

I'm hesitant to pull the trigger. It seems like a great deal but it's more of a want than a need and I hate having my savings dip below a certain amount. I guess I'll sleep on it. Anyway, if you could answer my question about using either of those as an alternate second hard drive that would be great.


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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 14, 2016 at 1:35:31 pm

Hi Duke -

As far as additional drives, go, I plundered all the drives from my old workstation to populate the sleds on my Z800. So my current setup is OS drive, Apps drive, and two Media drives. You don't need that setup to start, although the second drive would help as a combination OS drive/Media drive. The only drive on my system that's new is the OS drive, which is an SSD. The Apps drive came from my old machine, and the Media drives came with the workstation.

If you want to keep your savings intact, rest assured that there will be more Z800s available, probably for a long time. There are already Z820s in the used/refurbed pool, and those will get less expensive as time goes on. The seller certainly seems to pass the test on *Bay feedback and availability, so I wouldn't worry about that.

Joe Bourke
Owner/Creative Director
Bourke Media
http://www.bourkemedia.com


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Eric SantiagoRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 14, 2016 at 2:06:42 pm

[Jeff Pulera] "Your idea of a basic machine, and the ideas of professional post house editors may not match up, different leagues. Don't jump into anything just yet."

I found this out the hard way a month ago trying to help finish an edit on a colleagues supposed killer PC box.

I guess anything older than 3 years that industry called top of the line for NLE/3D work dont cut it these days.

Premiere CC 2015 was so brutally slow on it for me, I use mostly Macs for everything except 3D.

I too need to put a decent Premiere PC system together for a colleague and interested in the options.


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 14, 2016 at 2:44:52 pm

Thanks, Joe. I had to pass on this deal. I just couldn't justify it right now. I'll continue to work on my skills. Pretty sure I've got a loooooong way to go.

"Your idea of a basic machine, and the ideas of professional post house editors may not match up, different leagues. Don't jump into anything just yet."

I found this out the hard way a month ago trying to help finish an edit on a colleagues supposed killer PC box.

Eric, believe me, my idea of a basic machine is miles behind what professional post house editors need. See my example, above. But even as simplistic as that is, it took forever to render. It's not the render time, though, it's the super slow choppy playback when I add the slightest of effects to a clip that gets me. But I'll just have to make do for now.


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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 14, 2016 at 2:55:50 pm

Good luck with it, Duke. As I say, there will be another one along when you're ready...

Joe Bourke
Owner/Creative Director
Bourke Media
http://www.bourkemedia.com


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Eric SantiagoRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 14, 2016 at 3:25:07 pm

[Duke Sweden] "But even as simplistic as that is, it took forever to render. It's not the render time, though, it's the super slow choppy playback when I add the slightest of effects to a clip that gets me. But I'll just have to make do for now."

My render times were decent it was the GUI and I believe it was an NVIDIA 3400 Quadro FX card.
But honestly how can that card be slower than an MacBook Pro Intel on-board graphics?


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 14, 2016 at 6:44:21 pm

Well, I have the PC version, the built in Intel graphics card. So you know my pain ;-)

Joe, I'll check back with you when I'm ready to buy and find a deal. Thanks!


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 16, 2016 at 8:57:02 pm

Well, I took the dive. Just placed the order. I hope you guys are ready for my questions, and I hope I don't have too many. Mostly after I set up I'll probably ask for ways to maximize my speeds and stuff. Again, this is the one I bought:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/161745839788?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageNam...

I got it for $685.00


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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 17, 2016 at 4:20:30 pm
Last Edited By Joseph W. Bourke on Mar 17, 2016 at 4:23:03 pm

You will never be disappointed with this baby! Congratulations! I think I may have sent you this, but here it is again:

http://h20564.http://www2.hp.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docId=emr_na-c0170...

If you look at the processor specs, this is the fastest Xeon available at the time.

Here's a link to just about everything you're going to want to know:

http://www2.hp.com/portal/site/hpsc/public/psi/home/?sp4ts.oid=3718645#manu...'>http://h20566.http://www2.hp.com/portal/site/hpsc/public/psi/home/?sp4ts.oid=3718645#manu...

All the manuals and guides. Before you take it out of the box and fire it up, you might want to crack open the case, and see what's where. You might also want to check and make sure the RAM blocks and the video card are well seated - this spaceship will have just had a road trip, so there was some jarring in transit.

Here's a really good PDF - there are many - but read through this guide and get familiar with going under the hood (if you're comfortable with this. I took mine down to the motherboard just to learn how easy it is. The bright green tabs and bars are the access points to open stuff:

http://www2.hp.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?sp4ts.oid=3718645&docId=emr_na-c...'>http://h20566.http://www2.hp.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?sp4ts.oid=3718645&docId=emr_na-c...

And here's a good breakdown video to show you how it comes apart - not everything is intuitive, but it's all really easy. This is a true enterprise class machine:







And one more just to show you how far you can get with no tools. You probably don't want to do this, but if you had to, 3 minutes and the motherboard is out!







Have fun!!!!

Joe Bourke
Owner/Creative Director
Bourke Media
http://www.bourkemedia.com


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 17, 2016 at 4:54:16 pm

Yikes, I'm an amateur video editor not a mechanic!!! ;-)
Thanks for all that, Joe, but I'm a firm believer in the old saying "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". I've proven that adage to be true too many times, but I will go under the hood if I need to add RAM or if something is amiss.

The first thing I'll do is open a project I did that took over 8 hours to render (a 4 minute effects laden clip) and see how this baby handles it. But I won't be getting it until next Wednesday so I've got time. Right now I'm trying to figure out why Premiere Pro suddenly has no sound. But that's for another thread.

Thanks again, Joe. Yer the tops! And the rest of you guys, too.


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 17, 2016 at 5:41:07 pm

Some quick questions if you have the time.

1. Will I be able to playback at full resolution in Premiere Pro?
2. When I scrub or play back footage with effects added will it play back smoothly (Remember, I ain't remaking Star Wars here!)
3. Should everything basically be instantaneous (changes to effects and such)

I know rendering won't be instantaneous but a one minute clip with keyed layer, Neat Video and a fairly heavy effect will render in about 2 or 3 minutes, give or take a minute? I'm only asking educated opinion, not holding you to your solemn word ;-)


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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 17, 2016 at 6:16:31 pm

Hi Duke -

Give yourself 12 minutes with this Adobe video on setting up your HP Z800 for Premiere; it will give you the hows and whys of what to expect. As far as your questions go, it's going to depend hugely on what codecs you're feeding to Premiere Pro, as well as what version of PPro you're working with. I'm still on CS6, so if you're on a later version (somewhere in the CC versions), I think you should see a greater difference in speed. I don't know whether Neat Video is programmed for hyper-threading, so that's a question to check out on their website. Also bear in mind that this video is talking about CS5.5, but all of the general information will apply:

http://tv.adobe.com/watch/maximizing-cs55-performance-with-intel-xeon-proce...

Joe Bourke
Owner/Creative Director
Bourke Media
http://www.bourkemedia.com


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 17, 2016 at 6:33:57 pm

Thanks, precisely what I was looking for!


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 17, 2016 at 8:44:58 pm

Oh no! Does this thing not have an SD Card slot? If not how can I get my footage into it? Don't say buy an SD card adapter, I've already spent way more money than I should have on this, and this is precisely what I was afraid of, having to run out and buy extra stuff just to get up and running.


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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 17, 2016 at 9:29:32 pm

Nope...it does not. That said, you can pick one up on *Bay for under 10 bucks for an external which plugs into a USB slot, of which there are many.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/All-in-one-USB-2-0-External-Memory-Card-Reader-Writ...

I just picked one out of thin air, there are dozens. HP also made a dedicated card reader (an internal one) which goes in one of the 5.25 slots on the upper front of the Z800, but there's no reason to spend thirty or forty bucks on something where you can do the same job for under ten. Just make sure your card model is compatible with the reader.

Joe Bourke
Owner/Creative Director
Bourke Media
http://www.bourkemedia.com


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 17, 2016 at 11:01:23 pm

In the meantime I can just plug my camera into a USB port, right? On the off chance I send this back I don't need an extra card reader. Once I know I'm keeping it, then I'll get an external card reader. Can't beat free shipping!

Oh, I was just wondering about something. I was watching a youtube video where this guy was demonstrating 4K video in Premiere Pro on a Z800 and it scrubbed and played smoothly, but when he so much as added a "Day4Night" lumetri preset it bogged down. How can that be? My current computer doesn't even bog down on 1080p with a lumetri look added to it.


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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 18, 2016 at 12:07:19 am

I think it would depend on what version of PPro he was using as well as what codec the 4K video was. There are 12 USB 2.0 ports on the Z800 - 3 on the front, plus a FireWire port on the front should you need it. If you reach the point where you need USB 3.0, you can buy a card for about 10 dollars.

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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 18, 2016 at 1:44:59 am

It was old. CS5 I think. It still had the gnurled scrubbing knobs ;-)
I went back and looked at it again and noticed he was using a laptop when that happened. He was going to transfer the file to the Z800 afterward.

Another question. The one I'm getting has Windows 7 installed. Should I let it update to Windows 10 or keep Windows 7?


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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 18, 2016 at 3:00:28 am

I'm still on Win 7 and very happy with it, running the CS6 complete suite. It's stable as can be - I never trusted 8, and once you accept the "free" 10 upgrade, it appears you'll be locked in to a rental type agreement forever, although I don't know if that's really true. But I do know you can't go wrong with 7.

No wonder he was having problems - a laptop! I have the CS5.5 suite on my Lenovo W510 workatation (core i7, 16GB of RAM, fastest Nvidia laptop card), and it's poky compared to my workstation. Laptops just do not measure up to desktops - it's a size for power tradeoff.

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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 19, 2016 at 2:04:15 pm

7 it is!
3 more days until my new toy comes!
I must sound like a real doofus to you pros.


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 19, 2016 at 4:44:13 pm

If I sync up the Z800 with a lesser computer does that drag down the performance or will it benefit from the 12 extra gigs of RAM? Obviously the RAM will help but will the extra hard drive help, if it's a consumer PC quality HD? I have an HP "Envy", not sure why it's called that. Should I cannibalize it and add the beneficial components to the Z800?

The RAM is DDR-3, hard drive is SATA type, solid state.

If this is the wrong forum for such questions, I apologize.


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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 19, 2016 at 7:56:47 pm

The extra hard drive could help, if you put it in the Z800, that is. The RAM will most likely not be at all helpful, since the Z800 takes a particular type of RAM - registered dual-rank memory, which gives it additional speed. The RAM must be installed in pairs, and in particular slots:

http://www2.hp.com/Hpsub/downloads/Mini_WP_Z800_memory.pdf'>http://h20331.http://www2.hp.com/Hpsub/downloads/Mini_WP_Z800_memory.pdf

As usual there's a document on the HP website, and it will show you how picky the setup is. This is a good thing, not a bad one. If you want to keep your old machine running, I'd just network it to the new one - you can keep your old machine as a "business" machine, for email, project tracking, etc., and keep that stuff off the Z800.

I cannibalized my old workstation, but I also had a desktop machine for business stuff. It enabled me to add all of the old 750GB drives as app drives, then I bought a solid state drive just to run the OS. I think once you see the speed of this beast, you'll want to keep it on its' own turf, and not try to share anything. Should you need more RAM, I'll give you a link to a seller who sells it at a good price. As far as being a dufus, we were all dufuses at some point, and by "dufuses" I mean less knowledgeable than we need to be. Just put in your time on the HP documents site, and you'll know more than many in a pretty short space of time. I counted down the days while my Z800 was shipping too - it's really exciting! Wait until you crack open the box...

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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 19, 2016 at 8:09:13 pm

Thanks, Joe! That was my original question but it was never addressed, about networking the two computers. Now I'm not going to question your advice on the RAM, but the specs on the Z800 say DDR-3 and the RAM in my baby PC is also DDR-3. Are you saying there are two types of DDR-3 RAM?

As for the other stuff I'm kind of confused. Are you saying to run the OS on one drive, the Adobe apps on another? Plus render my work onto a third drive?

Finally, I appreciate the encouragement, but at 62 I probably am a doofus. ;-)


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 19, 2016 at 8:13:58 pm

btw, your link came up "File Not Found".


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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 20, 2016 at 3:23:05 am
Last Edited By Joseph W. Bourke on Mar 20, 2016 at 3:24:54 am

For some reason that link will not work when I paste it in - just try Googling "HP Z800 memory" and the PDF will show up in the first or second spot.

And at the bottom of page 4 on this pdf, there's a brief explanation of why the separate drives:

http://www8.hp.com/h20195/v2/getpdf.aspx/4AA5-4938ENW.pdf?ver=1.0

My Z800 has an OS drive, and Apps drive, and two Media drives (on one of which I have AE and PPro caches).

In the HP memory link, which I somehow messed up, there are breakdowns of the differing types of memories. I barely understand it, but registered memory is for some reason slower than the other type (I think it's unbuffered), but it's more stable for large amounts of RAM in mission critical situations. Here's an explanation I found - I have no idea whether or not it's gospel, but it sounds convincing:

"Deciding on Registered or unbuffered really depends on what you requirements you have for the system i.e. speed, stability, amount of RAM, low cost etc. In your case, if you are going to need more than 24GB on this system then you will need to go for the registered parts.

ECC Registered memory works by controlling the data flow between the chips on the memory module thereby improving the quality of the signal and increasing the efficiency and stability of the memory. They place less electrical load on the memory controller and allow systems to be more stable with more memory modules that's why it can support more GB using this type of memory in this system. It is usually recommended for mission-critical servers.

With ECC registered memory there is a slight performance decrease; it can be thought to run one clock cycle slower than unbuffered memory as each read and write cycle is buffered between the memory bus and the DRAM. However I doubt this will be a significant issue especially with the amount of RAM you will have."

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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 20, 2016 at 11:22:42 am

Hey Joe. Yeah, I don't ask questions and just sit back waiting for answers so I did some research while waiting and did find basically the information you gave me about ECC and unbuffered RAM and all that, so I'm good there. I've also been looking up Z800 demo's and youtube videos and it appears this thing out of the box will be far more powerful than my needs so I don't think I'll be adding anything for a few months.

I do have one last "important" question which popped into my head when I woke up this morning. Currently my baby PC is hooked up to a 720p HDTV. I know that it's maximum resolution of 1360 x 768 is not compatible with Adobe's apps. I can get away with it on Premiere Pro, but on Speedgrade, the source window is so small it's useless and it won't let me enlarge that portion of the interface. When I had a problem with Premiere Pro and thought the only way to fix it was to re-install, I saw a small error message also stating the PPro needed a certain resolution to work properly. Will the far more powerful graphics card of the Z800 give me problems? Worst case scenario, I have a 1080p HDTV in my bedroom that I can swap out with the 720p. Do you think that will be necessary?


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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 20, 2016 at 4:30:58 pm

You shouldn't have problems with the graphics card which comes with your Z800. Just check the output specs on the Nvidia website. I think your card comes with DVI outputs. Check on that - at worst, if you have HDMI cables, you'll need to get a DVI to HDMI adapter - I purchase mine from Monoprice - their quality is terrific, and the price is low:

https://www.monoprice.com/Category?c_id=104&cp_id=10419

The link will get you to a page with all sorts of adapters. DVI/HDMI are second from the top, but make sure that's what you need. I have my Nvidia card pumped into an ACER monitor, and it looks great!

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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 20, 2016 at 4:47:41 pm

From what I see on the Nvidia PDF, you've got three choices: 1 DVI, 2 DisplayPort, and 1 SDI output. That's a lot of choices, and I can't give you answers on which to choose, since my Nvidia card only has Displayport and DVI outputs - I currently use the DisplayPort to HDMI on my monitor, using the Monoprice adapters I gave you the link to in the last post. Here's a link to the PDF for the card which is coming with your system. Since it's not a capture card, the connectors are output only, so the SDI is probably out, since you won't have a broadcast monitor. Here's the PDF for your card specs:

http://www.nvidia.com/docs/IO/127917/NVQFX3800-4800-5800SDI_UG_v20.pdf

Here's a good discussion on DVI vs DisplayPort:

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1665093/dvi-display-port-hdmi-qualit...

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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 20, 2016 at 6:32:25 pm

Thanks, Joe. I do in fact have a DVI to HDMI adapter already, so I'm good to go. I'm moving my baby PC off the desk later and getting set up so that I only have to plug the Z800 in and attach the monitor, speakers and keyboard/mouse.

The more I read about this monster the more excited I get. I have one project that I already completed, it took 9 hours to render for 4 minutes of video, and the effects and such are sloppy because I can't see what they look like until after I render. I'm going to open that on the z800 and see what it can do. Then I'm gonna go out and shoot some video!


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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 20, 2016 at 8:04:06 pm

That project will be a good comparison to see what you get for results when you first kick on the Z800, then what you get after you've optimized the Adobe software following the guidelines.

I ended up putting my Z800 on top of my desk to avoid dust from the floor - also bear in mind that it will want to be at least a foot from the wall (the back of the machine, that is) to allow for good airflow. In the HP Z800 information documents, you'll find the guidelines for that stuff. Your dual processesors can get pretty hot since they're the faster models, so plenty of air will be needed. As a matter of fact, I'm in NH, where it's pretty cold in the winter. When I have my Z800 running and my desktop as well, the temperature in my office hovers around a comfortable 69 to 70 degrees! I don't even turn the heat up during the day...

You may also want to grab a free copy of Speccy, a great, free software package which monitors everything that's going on under the hood on the machine - for some reason, on my machine, it shows the overall amount of RAM, but not the individual sticks - maybe has to do with registered RAM:

https://www.piriform.com/speccy

And here's the document with all the environment requirements I was talking about above:

http://cdn.cnetcontent.com/aa/95/aa957bda-4612-48aa-be14-79f6919fd396.pdf

The above document is for high end Autodesk color correction setups, but is also a good general guide as you're hooking everything up. When I first got my Z800, the drives which came with the machine were setup for a RAID array, so I had to learn how to "unRAID" them to use them as standalone media drives (I'm only doing HD work right now, not 2K or 4K). You will want to check whether you have the latest version of BIOS (Basic Input Output System); you can probably contact the seller to see if it's got the latest version - my seller mentioned that BIOS had been upgraded when I purchased my machine. It shouldn't effect your performance speedwise, but it's good to know you have the latest version.

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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 20, 2016 at 8:20:24 pm
Last Edited By Joseph W. Bourke on Mar 20, 2016 at 8:29:07 pm

In the interest of inundating you with documentation, here's another very useful one - it's the complete list of what was available as options when the Z800 was released - it's a great guide as to what you might want to add, and what's compatible with your machine:

https://www.advance.no/Pdf.aspx?id=1181

And more important - here's a page where you input your OS version and specs (I'm using Win 7 64-bit Ultimate), and you'll get a download page with all of the free HP software for your machine. You can get your BIOS update here if need be. There's firmware for your Nvidia card if you need it, plus a lot more useful stuff. HP takes good care of their users, as far as information goes, so you can find anything you're looking for right there:

That will not display correctly - use the pulldown Product Support/Repair & Warranty/Customer Self repair, and there will be all sorts of documents there.

OK - last one, I promise - page with all the maintenance and upgrade information you will EVER need! Good info at the top on the BIOS upgrade, should you need it:

The links are so long, they will not display correctly, so you'll have to poke around to find it. Sorry...

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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 20, 2016 at 8:43:52 pm

Oh man, you live in NH? I wanna come live with you!!! ;-) I'm from the Bronx originally but the best years of my life were spent in Upstate NY (notice how I respectfully capitalize the "U"). I love the north east. I'm in N.C. now. It's ok, but it's still N.C., you know?

Anyway, I have plenty of open space around my desk, I always give my electronics room to breathe and keep them dusted. My son's XBox and PS4 look like they just came out of the box and they're 2 years old. So no worries about overheating or dust. I keep my gear in top shape. It will be a month or so before I decide if I should add stuff, I've got a Seagate SATA 2TB HDD in my ebay shopping cart just waiting for me to pull the trigger.

I was going to move the baby PC downstairs but I realize now that I need it here, next to a phone line. I run an app that blocks unwanted calls, and I get a LOT of them, so I need that to be running. So I will keep that to the left of my monitors and speakers, and place the Z800 to the right. All very symmetrical and proper ;-)

Needless to say I will keep this thread bookmarked. Lots of great links. Maybe they should make this a sticky ;-)

I'm going to watch that video again on how to set up the Adobe software on the Z800. I believe that was the first link you gave me. Oh, btw, a local video edit house has an opening for a part time video editor so I applied. It's more of a field trip to see if I can learn stuff, I doubt I'll get the job, but if I do kudos to me!

Thanks again, Joe. I'm sure you'll be hearing from me again before it comes. Cheers!


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 20, 2016 at 9:03:33 pm

btw, Chris Wright says CC 2015 doesn't do multicore processing. Should I go back to CC2014? If Adobe works with HP and NVidia why would they take their software a step back?


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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 20, 2016 at 11:45:55 pm
Last Edited By Joseph W. Bourke on Mar 21, 2016 at 12:28:11 am

It's because they're currently rewriting the CC software from the ground up. I'm sure it will be coming fairly soon in the future, but as Andreas Gallagher says, the rewrite is like changing the wings on an airplane while it's in flight. So I would probably start out with CC2014, and then keep your ear to the ground. As I said earlier, I'm still on CS6, but I did work a six month freelance job setup up the graphics department at a TV news station that required the Creative Cloud. I've not at all averse to paying the monthly fee - I just haven't needed it yet. But I'll pull the trigger when I need to. I'm just a cheapskate, I'm not on a mission from God against Adobe.

As far as drives go, also take a look at B&H in the used department. They often have returns that they can't sell as new. I recently picked up a Western Digital Blue 500GB drive for my Drobo system for 43 dollars.

I'm doing the same setup as you're planning with my desktop/business machine to the left of my workstation. I can roll back and forth when I'm working on a project - I use Easy Time Tracking Software on my desktop for billing purposes, and I'm rolling back and forth as I shift gears with multiple projects.

It's really nice living out in the woods and working for clients all over the place. I'm on a dirt road, with a 15 acre field right behind my house; I can watch the deer, fox, coyotes, moose, and bear as they come through. My next door neighbor is a farmer and trains teams of oxen, so every day they parade by my house doing training sessions pulling heavy weights - it's pretty cool. I grew up in Boston, though, so I still consider myself a city boy, but I've been living up here over 20 years. They don't consider you a native up here until three or four generations have come and gone. I'm 67, so I'm hoping it will be a while until I'm in the ground...

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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 21, 2016 at 2:17:11 am

Boston!!?!?! Didn't I just tell you I'm from the Bronx!!! ;-)

Man, that's a sweet setup, (except for the bears. I have a phobia about bears). I moved here to get away from the overbuilding of S. Florida, but now it's getting worse here. No open acre is safe. I hate it. My wife and I moved here with our son 10 years ago. She passed away a year and a half ago and I'd love to leave the bad memories behind but I'm stuck. This hobby takes my mind off of it. Now back to the Z800...

Well, I still have my copies of CC 2014. So until they update the software, CC2014 is faster than '15? How about After Effects, do you work with After Effects? Is it as brisk as PPro on the Z800?


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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 21, 2016 at 2:28:29 am

Yes I'm from Boston - yes I'm a Red Sox fan. But I don't hate the Yankees the way most rabid Boston fans do. I like to see a good ballgame no matter who wins.

Funny about bears. I've had close encounters with quite a few of them. The only time they won't head the other way (this is the NH black bear by the way) is if you happen to run across a female with cubs; then you run the other way! The only problem with the bears is if you put out bird feeders. They'll trash them every time, especially in early spring before the skunk cabbage is out (their first natural food of the Spring season). Otherwise they're just trying to make a living...

Sorry to hear about your wife. I've lost most of my family due to old age, but I can't imagine losing my partner. I really hope I go before she does, but that's kind of selfish on my part. Back to the Z800.

I work with AE all the time, my main software packages being AE, Photoshop, Illustrator, Premiere Pro, 3D Studio Max, and a few other non-Adobe packages. Unless I've got mucho layers in After Effects, it practically renders to RAM in realtime! And it renders very quickly as well. I generally output to Quicktime Uncompressed for my master copy, then render off delivery codecs from AME. It really flies! I use quite a few plugins as well - the Magic Bullet Suite, Element 3D, Layer Monkey, the Trapcode Suite, and others. They all function quite well.

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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 21, 2016 at 3:44:18 am

There were times when I would just explode if the Yanks lost to the Red Sox. It's only been the last 2 years that I finally let it go. If my kid didn't love the Yankees so much I probably wouldn't even watch baseball anymore. Nah, I probably still would.

Yeah, husbands are SUPPOSED to go first. All I've got left is my twin brother and my son, who's mentally handicapped. We'll leave it at that.

Man I can't wait to rip through some renders! Do you consider h.264 a "delivery codec"? That's what I usually use but my videos end up on youtube. If I want to watch them on my main tv I can put them on a flash drive and plug it into my blu ray player. Which reminds me. For doing that, what would be the best codec to render to? Now that I've got the power there's no sense in using the most efficient when I can go with best quality.

Oh yeah, thanks for the bear stories. Nightmares here I come ;-)


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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 21, 2016 at 1:07:05 pm

I consider h.264 a delivery codec for web playback, of course. Some of the projects I work on are "contract" jobs, where I'm doing animation work for a larger project. In that case, I'll deliver Quicktime uncompressed, which is a huge file. We recently got a fiber connection (here in the boonies of NH!), and that has made all the difference in the world with timely delivery. With my old dsl connection, it would sometimes take a day and a half to deliver the goods. That same file will now take a matter of maybe a half hour or so.

With After Effects, (I may be repeating myself here), I output a master file in uncompressed Quicktime, then use Adobe Media Encoder to generate deliverables (sometimes the uncompressed is the deliverable). For my own website, I will usually create a 960 x 540 mp4. I used to use Flash on my website, but that seems to be a dying codec, if you can call it a codec, and HTML5 is the new standard, although it's a long time coming. Here's a good chunk of reference material for encoding video from Adobe:

http://www.adobe.com/devnet/video/encoding.html

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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 21, 2016 at 1:37:26 pm

Thanks again, Joe. I'll give you a break today. Tomorrow the new toy comes, so get your rest ;-)


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 22, 2016 at 3:17:17 pm

Well, today's the day and another question popped into my head. Do the CC 2015 apps run on WIndows 7 Pro? I still have my CC 2014 apps so if there's a problem I'd rather just install those for now. I'll post this as a separate thread so people other than Joe will see it ;-)


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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 22, 2016 at 3:28:01 pm

Hi Duke -

I'll bet you're excited! Here's the gospel according to Adobe on the various OS which work with CC 2015:

https://helpx.adobe.com/creative-cloud/system-requirements.html

I have no experience with this, but Adobe says that the minimum OS required is Win 7, so you should be good. But you may want to ask elsewhere as well, since I have no direct experience with it.

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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 22, 2016 at 3:38:24 pm

Thanks, Joe. Soooooo pissed. I'm home, my front door is open, but I just got an email from fedex saying they tried to deliver the package but NO ONE WAS HOME!!! Grrrrr....


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 22, 2016 at 4:27:30 pm

Not coming until tomorrow. B**tards.


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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 22, 2016 at 4:37:56 pm

They obviously didn't try very hard. Relax...breathe in...breathe out...make nasty call to FedEx office...

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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 23, 2016 at 1:14:11 pm

Hey Joe. For some reason I no longer get email notifications when someone responds to this thread. Did I use up my allotment? ;-)

Believe me, Fedex won't want to hear from me again for a while. The driver promised he'd be here by 10 a.m. but I just texted him and he said he's in traffic and would be closer to 10:30 which is around the time he would have been here anyway. He doesn't know I'm here all the time anyway, he thinks he's keeping me from going to work for a second day. This is America in 2016. Even Fedex drivers are full of it!!!

I'm waiting for it to be delivered before I lay into this guy's manager. I also plan on inconveniencing him by taking a ......real......long.......time......to.....sign....my........signature.... if you know what I mean, heheheh... I'm not a vindictive person but I hate when I do things right and the other clown screws up but I have to pay for it and they make NO effort to rectify the situation. I would have had all day yesterday to set up and use the computer, now, as soon as it gets here, I have to go out and get some exercise for me and my son, and just do a bunch of stuff that I didn't have to do yesterday. I mean, I've only got so many years of brain functionality left, you know? ;-)

Anyway, I'll leave you to your work. Oh, since I decided I WILL be adding a second HDD, what do I have to do to it once I install it? Do I have to format it or do anything for the computer to recognize it and assign it a letter? It's been so long since I've done this stuff. Also, I see that I can get a 2TB Seagate HDD for $53 bucks. Are they any good? Any reason why you suggested that 500 Gig drive instead?


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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 23, 2016 at 4:10:58 pm

Most definitely stick it to FedEx - it's just the right thing to do. As far as email notifications, it may be that they just get turned off for some random reason. I notice that my location, which is NH, has been NH, and will be NH, changes randomly - sometimes I show up in Maine, sometimes in Idaho - just random stuff. Maybe try resetting the switch to notify.

As far as the new hard drive, physically adding it is a walk in the park with the Z800 - just pull out one of the sleds, pop the drive in (no tools necessary), and fire up the computer. If it's a brand new drive, you'll have to go to Administrative Tools/Computer Management/Storage, and you'll see your drives. You'll need to format the drive, see this:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/install-remove-hard-disk-drive#1...

I have bought 2 Seagate 2TB drives, one brand new, and one an open box return from B&H, for under 50 bucks. Both work just fine, one in my Drobo (8TB backup system), and one waiting in queue in case a drive goes south. I've had very good luck with Seagate drives, of course bearing in mind that a lot of it is luck. Sometimes you get a lemon - sometimes you don't, but the failure rate for Seagate drives is not bad at all. Seagate and Western Digital seem to be the reliable leaders right now. No reason at all for suggesting the 500GB drive - it was just a good price when I searched for it.

If you really want to geek out, here's a link to drive failure rates by drive size for Q3, 2015. It will drive you nuts, but it's interesting. The 2TB drives seem to have a higher rate of failure, but I haven't experienced that personally. My Drobo has been cooking right along for several years, with 2TB drives, and only 1 has failed recently - and that purchase was a used system, so I don't know how long the drives have been cooking away. The Seagate Barracuda's seemed to have a higher failure rate, if I'm reading the chart correctly:

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-reliability-q3-2015/

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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 23, 2016 at 4:29:45 pm

Got it at 10:18. I wanted to get a DVI to HDMI converter so i could keep both computers hooked up to the TV, but Walmart wanted $17 bucks, so I ordered one for $3.00. I can wait. Will now shut down and begin the installation of the Z800. Wish me luck!

Oh, thanks for the HDD installation info. Exactly what I wanted to know.


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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 23, 2016 at 4:33:28 pm

Woohooooo!!! Have fun. One thing to bear in mind is that there are settings (I think they're in BIOS - the HP docs will tell you) which can allow you to have the fans all kick on - a self test I assume - on startup. When I first fired up my Z800, it sounded like a B-17 taking off. I managed to change that later on, as I learned about all the settings you can customize...

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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 23, 2016 at 5:17:53 pm

ok right off the bat I'm noticing that it's extremely slow simply transferring a 800 meg file to my desktop. I have a flash drive with all my adobe apps on them. I just dragged Premiere Pro (797 meg) and the latest update (273 meg) and they took almost a minute, whereas my baby PC takes less than a second. What up with that?


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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 23, 2016 at 5:30:07 pm

The Z800 is USB 2.0 - maybe your baby PC is USB 3.0? Another thought, mentioned in this link:

http://superuser.com/questions/493295/extremely-slow-usb-transfer-speed

is that the BIOS settings may be set to "legacy" mode, which would be USB 1.0. You can change that, from what they say above. I did not see that problem on my Z800, so I'm not familiar with it, but it sounds like that may be the case. As you can see, there's going to be a shakedown cruise to get everything optimized.

Joe Bourke
Owner/Creative Director
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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 23, 2016 at 5:43:22 pm

I'll check it out. Yeah, I figured I'm really not gonna be playing with this until late tonight or tomorrow. I forgot I also have to install winrar and a whole bunch of other minor utility apps and such. Have to download Quicktime, etc.

Thanks for the info, I'll probably get into the BIOS after I've installed everything.
Cheers!


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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 23, 2016 at 5:31:55 pm

Here's more on that possibility:

http://www.computing.net/answers/hardware/fix-slow-file-transfer-to-flash-d...

Joe Bourke
Owner/Creative Director
Bourke Media
http://www.bourkemedia.com


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 23, 2016 at 5:52:15 pm

ok, here's an easier question (I'll do the BIOS thing later). Just got Premiere Pro installed, clicked on New Project, and Video Rendering and Playback is grayed out to Mercury Playback Engine Software Only. Why would I not have access to CUDA?


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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 23, 2016 at 6:19:03 pm

Is your graphics card on the list of Adobe certified CUDA cards?

https://helpx.adobe.com/premiere-pro/system-requirements.html

Joe Bourke
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David Roth WeissRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 23, 2016 at 8:45:51 pm

Because you must update your Nvidia driver to the latest "web driver," and you must install the Cuda driver separately as well.

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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 23, 2016 at 8:51:44 pm

THanks, Dave. Joe, my graphics card is not on the list, but I was at NVidia a few minutes ago and I don't see an X 4800 card listed.


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 23, 2016 at 8:51:30 pm

Correction, FX4800
HP Nvidia Quadro FX4800 1.5GB PCI-e Dual Display Port + 1 DVI Video Card


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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 23, 2016 at 9:37:54 pm

Bingo Zingo! I think I found it:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/quadro-win7-winvista-64bit-259.57-whql-driver....

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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 23, 2016 at 9:33:41 pm

Not having the spec for the card, or the full name, I'm not sure. But I think you said way back in the discussion that it was an Nvidia Quadro FX4800 card. On the HP site, here's the driver:

http://www2.hp.com/hpsc/swd/public/readIndex?sp4ts.oid=3794263'>http://h20564.http://www2.hp.com/hpsc/swd/public/readIndex?sp4ts.oid=3794263

That said, you probably want to get it directly from Nvidia, so a search with the full correct name should get it.

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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 23, 2016 at 9:39:35 pm

Thanks Joe, but you should really take some Remedial Link Classes ;-) That didn't work either. Yeah, I'll try searching for that card specifically because it's not in their dropdown list. Moving along swiftly, down to my last Adobe app, then on to the plugins, then update drivers, BIOS, and done!


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 23, 2016 at 10:35:48 pm

Hey Joe, I used NVidia's java based driver detector and found a more recent version. Installing it and the CUDA driver now.


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David Roth WeissRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 23, 2016 at 11:16:14 pm

Good job Duke. You did exactly what I was hoping you would do. You see, unlike Joe, who does all the work for you, I prefer to give hints, hoping you'll actually dig a bit to discover things on your own, just as you managed in this case, As they say, "give a man a fish and feed him for a day, or give him a net and show him how to use it, and you feed him for a lifetime."

Now, get to work and edit... :)

David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist & Workflow Consultant
David Weiss Productions
Los Angeles


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 23, 2016 at 11:40:34 pm

Thanks, Dave, but if you saw my earlier post, and I do realize this thing is 80 posts long now, I did mention that I don't sit around waiting for others to do the work for me, I do research on my own as well. This really seems for some reason to be above my brain limitations compared to what i've done in the past, so I appreciate the help.

Now, I updated my driver, I tried to install CUDA but it wouldn't let me. It said it couldn't find the drivers or something. However, CUDA is no longer grayed out and PPro actually defaults to it.

Now for some negative. I realize I don't have the optimum setup right now (1 HDD, haven't tweaked PPro settings, etc.), but I am extemely disappointed in the performance so far. It's actually slower than my baby PC, sometimes barely faster. Is this to be expected until I add a 2nd HDD? I'm going to go over the stuff you guys gave me to do, but this thing better speed up a bit or it's going back. (Hint: I'm looking for encouragement here).


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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 23, 2016 at 11:41:42 pm

Glad to see things are getting there. My shakedown cruise lasted for the better part of week. I had even made an Excel spreadsheet of all the software, plugins, scripts, etc. that I needed from my old workstation, and I was still playing catchup for a while.

I don't know what the deal is with pasting the links. I generally just copy it off the URL display at the top of the browser and it works. The HP links are very long and complex, so I think they are part of the problem with them not always working. But as David says, sometimes it's good to go fishing on your own :>)

Did you have any luck with the USB settings in BIOS?

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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 23, 2016 at 11:51:34 pm

I was just going to go into the BIOS after checking this thread. I'm really disappointed with the behavior of PPro so far. It's dropping a ton of frames either scrubbing or playing the timeline. It can't be THIS bad just because I only have one HDD, can it? You know how light on effects my videos are. Anyway, on to the BIOS.


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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 24, 2016 at 12:19:09 am

Did you work through the video link on optimizing PPro for the HP Z800? I think that will help out. You may also want to check on the specs of the machine - did you download Speccy yet? You can use it to run the traps on all of the components and the CPUs to make sure everything is as it was promised by the seller. I know that on my Z800 not all 12 memory slots show up, but the total amount of RAM shown is correct.

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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 24, 2016 at 12:45:12 am

Some more of what looks like useful information from Adobe:

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1877068?start=0&tstart=0

Joe Bourke
Owner/Creative Director
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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 24, 2016 at 2:24:52 am

I just did dl speccy. Everything seems ok. 4 cores, etc. I'm still tweaking. It just seemed to me that a computer with all this firepower should be loads faster than my consumer pc, even with default settings. Pressing forward...


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 24, 2016 at 3:14:15 am

You know, this is really shockingly bad. I've got PPro open, I imported some files. I have a video file open in the source panel. I scroll down the Project panel to get another file to put on the time line, and the Project panel is sliding up over the Source window! Seriously! I'm really getting po'd. I mean that's Windows 98 quality graphic crappiness.. Here's a screenshot. Interestingly while I was saving this to web, THAT popup box disappeared except for the slider that increases the image quality!

Tell me I've got a lemon herre, please. Look at the screen grab so you know I'm not nuts.


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 24, 2016 at 12:41:56 pm

I just ran Premiere Pro again this morning and it took, seriously, 1 minute 11 seconds to load and open a simple project. This is going back today. There is definitely something wrong with it.


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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 24, 2016 at 4:14:47 pm

If there's something wrong with it, you should definitely send it back. I'm just wondering if you haven't taken enough time with it to set everything up and really get it ready for what you're throwing at it. Of course, I can only give you the results I've had with my Z800, and it's really fast, both with PPro and AE. I'm sorry that you're having the results you are, but I wonder whether one day is enough of a shakedown cruise, and whether you've optimized all the settings you need to in that short space of time.

I had frustrations and what appeared to be problems with my machine for at least the first week or two, and they all turned out to be user error and setups I didn't know at the time on my end. I spent a lot of time on the COW, and was helped out, especially by Walter Soyka, with problems I was having. If you feel you have to return it, of course do so.

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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 24, 2016 at 4:55:27 pm

Well, Joe, all I know is I didn't have to do anything to my previous consumer level computers to get them not to act all wonky and weird. You saw the picture I attached, didn't you? That's just one thing. Why on earth should I have to tweak anything just to get that from not happening. And again, when I opened that screen capture in photoshop and clicked "Save For Web", when that dialog box opened, I slid the slider from 50% to 100% and the dialog box disappeared, except for that slider. I mean, come on, do I really need to "install important updates " for that to not happen (not yelling at you, btw. I know sometimes I sound that way).

And that's aside from Premiere Pro taking a minute and 11 seconds to open and load a project this morning, compared to my baby PC taking 8 seconds. Oh yeah, also, every time I open AE or PPro it tells me my screen resolution is too low, even though it's higher than the resolution it's recommending! One time it told me my resolution should be like 2148x1440 or something ridiculous like that. Why?

Believe me, with my bursitis and all I'm not looking forward to lugging this thing to the local Fedex or UPS or wherever they tell me to bring it. I was so looking forward to working with this, as you of all people know, and right now I don't even want to look at my camera, let alone shoot footage to work on.


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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 24, 2016 at 5:40:45 pm
Last Edited By Joseph W. Bourke on Mar 24, 2016 at 5:47:53 pm

The more I look at the screen shot and hear the problems you're having, the more it sounds as if it's the graphics card. Take a look in Speccy and see if any problems are showing up there, and also, if you haven't done it already, power down, take out the power cord at the back end, open it up, and reseat the graphics card. Also check any connectors coming off the card into the system. This computer was shipped - it might have been handled gently, it might have been manhandled. It might be that simple; I hope so.

I had the same type of problem, but with RAM, shortly after I got my Z800: all of a sudden on bootup, I'd get error messages, and it would go to DOS and show that there was bad RAM in such and such a block. I opened the box up, reseated all the RAM (didn't have to remove it, just pressed it lightly into the slot, and the problem went away.

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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 24, 2016 at 6:07:24 pm

thanks for sticking with me, Joe. Believe me, as much as I don't want to send this back, I tried all of that already. Didn't fix the problem and it wouldn't be the cause of it taking 30 seconds or more to empty 400meg from the Recycle Bin. No, this thing is just slow and something is wrong with it. I can't imagine you getting your Z800 and getting my performance and thinking "WOW, this is blazing fast!!!" so no way is my experience anything close to yours.

Just sending it back. It'll be a while before I get excited about doing this again.


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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 24, 2016 at 7:21:04 pm

One last thing to try. Have you done the Windows 7 Control Panel/Performance Information and Tools speed test? That might give you an inkling of where the bottleneck is, since it rates the particular components of the system. I'm just so puzzled by this. It may be that this particular machine has a problem. I'm sorry that this is so disappointing.

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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 24, 2016 at 7:36:12 pm

I don't think I would have understood it anyway, but too late, I've already disassembled everything and packed it for shipping. At least I'm getting a full refund. Normally they require that buyer pays return shipping.


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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 24, 2016 at 7:40:23 pm

That's really good news Duke. But it's also a pain in the butt for all that you've gone through. I wonder whether the seller's acceptance of the return shipping might mean that he knew something? Just a guess.

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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 24, 2016 at 7:43:28 pm

Well, he also said that he had a lot of damage in his warehouse from a hail storm the other day so maybe he's kind of lining up his excuses. I sense that he's aware some of his merchandise, including mine, was damaged. But yeah, it is a pain. This thing is so heavy it was a major project just getting it in the packing and back in the box. I was like a one man "I Love Lucy" episode ;-)


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 24, 2016 at 7:39:25 pm

Ironically, my consumer PC is behaving like a champ now, or seems to be. Perceptions, you know? That should give you an idea how poorly the Z800 was performing that it's making this PC appear to be really fast.


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Joseph W. BourkeRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 24, 2016 at 7:57:18 pm

There had to be something seriously wrong with that box for it to behave so poorly. Maybe the hailstorm actually got the thing wet, and there was water damage to some of the components. I feel really bad about this. My experience with the Z800 was just astonishing in terms of the speed ramp up from my old "workstation", which was really just a gaming box.

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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Mar 24, 2016 at 8:03:07 pm

Yeah, my experience was astonishing for the wrong reasons. Anyway, I think this, the 100th post in this thread, should be the last. Hopefully in the near future I'll find a better deal on a better box.

Thanks for everything Joe. You guys too, Dave and Chris.


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Apr 9, 2016 at 2:28:23 pm

Here's an update that should prove I wasn't expecting more than a Z800 can do. I just heard back from the seller. He said his techs confirmed that when they started up the box I sent back to them, it was very slow. But after searching for and installing new updates it works fine now.

Now, he didn't mention the graphics oddities I was getting from Premiere Pro and Photoshop, but he did admit it was slooooooow. But I had installed all of the updates myself, in fact, it took over 40 minutes and THREE reboots to download and install them all. There couldn't be any more updates unless Microsoft released them between the time I shipped it back to them and they checked it.

Anyway, that's the latest on the situation. I wanted to re-order but I don't know if I should. No one else is offering what they are for the price they charged ($685.00) but at the same time I can't trust them to send me back the same machine, 100% satisfaction rating or not.

Plus, for Joe and the rest of you who own Z800's, did you need to install the updates before it ran faster than a Windows 95 based Compaq from the 90's? I can understand the updates making it run even faster and all, but not so clunky that it absolutely needed the updates.


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Apr 13, 2016 at 10:46:16 pm

Not sure if I should start a new thread or continue this one so I'll play it safe for now. I found another deal, MUCH cheaper, the seller is here in my neighborhood practically. This unit has (previous unit in parentheses):
48gigs of RAM (24 gigs)
Quadro 400 graphics card (FX4800)
2.4GHz processor (2.93GHz)

Other unit was $730.00. This one is $520.00. Free shipping but $35 tax. That's beside the point. Do the specs on the new unit measure up to the previous unit (which was defective. I'm talking reasonable expectations). At that price I can then buy a second HDD. Opinions needed quickly before the price expires! Joe! Get off that project that's bringing you in $20,000.00 and answer me!!! ;-)


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Apr 13, 2016 at 10:55:58 pm

Really wish I could edit my posts on this board! One other spec.
Xeon x5620 (Xeon x5570)


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Chris WrightRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Apr 14, 2016 at 1:28:26 am

aw the old junky Nehalem series. edit in SD :) it might actually be slower than what you have now, lol.

2008 Nehalem (you're here)
2008 Bonnell
2011 Sandy Bridge
2013 Haswell 14
2015 Skylake 14


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David Roth WeissRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Apr 14, 2016 at 1:55:02 am

I agree with Chris - I think the newer MacBook Air might have more horsepower.

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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Apr 14, 2016 at 2:14:47 am

Wow, thanks guys.


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Apr 14, 2016 at 2:45:06 am

Just out of curiosity what makes this Z800 so much worse than the previous one? The x5620? The Quadro 400?


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Chris WrightRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Apr 14, 2016 at 3:32:50 am

I think it was pretty much the same one; old architecture with low clock speed.

Ok, I'm going to suggest a few "tweaks" to premiere pro so NO promises; this stuff is floating around adobe and it helps some people. So as after a boiler plate disclaimer(because this could possibly break adobe software), here I go:

some more ways to "hopefully" get premiere from "lagging":
19. Changed Audio Hardware from MME to ASIO.(lower level audio driver for lower latency)
20. Limited Premiere's RAM allocation to 32Gb if you have 64GB
21. In task manager, set affinity to utilize only 16 cores for PP (unfortunately, this setting does not hold on

re-launch)
22. Turned Hyperthreading off in BIOS.
23. in bios, disable Intel Speedstep.
24. disable C1E - in the bios, power settings,change to performance.

25.
- go to CTRL+F12 inside premiere and find these settings:
- DisableSpeculativePrefetching - set this from false to true
- ImporterMXF.ReadBlockSizeinKB: default is 1024. Experiment with this.. I'm trying 2048 with good results
- CodeProfiler - set to true
- GPU.EnableGOPFormats: set from false to true
- Player.MainMaxOutstandingAheadofPlayback=3
- Player.MainMaxQueuedFrames=10

The above two can make a difference. Higher values if you're working 60P rates.

if you're interested in an editing system, I'm going to tell you a little secret,
the intel 4790k (overclocking) processor is the same speed as a brand new skylake 6700k for premiere pro.
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Haswell-vs-Skylake-S-i7-4790K-vs...

with a 4x pci3 M2 slot mobo, you can run a samsung 950pro and get over 1500 MB/sec transfer speed

that's why we needed to know the video codecs you're using, because I'm talking 4k full debayer systems for $1,000
which means HD systems would be a fraction of that.


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Apr 14, 2016 at 11:23:00 am

Hey Chris. You do realize my current "workstation" is the consumer PC I've mentioned quite a few times before. I'm thinking with all the posts in this thread you skipped over a few, and who can blame you! But the previous workstation was defective. I sent it back. I only have my HP "Envy" which is i5, 12 gigs of RAM, Intel built in graphics, etc.

Were your suggestions meant for a slow workstation or a consumer PC? I'd like to know before I bother trying them out. Also, to grab the most relevant points from my previous posts, I'm NOT a professional like you guys. I'm not editing Jurassic Park IV with Spielberg looking over my shoulder and pacing the floor. I make simple 1 minute videos for myself, but since this hobby is taking up more of my time, the annoyances of trying to edit with a computer meant for Word or "surfing the web", as the youngsters say, are making it more of a chore than a joy.

In short, I don't need ILM, but I don't want a system that's barely faster than what I have, which the previous workstation was, due to problems with the graphics and CPU, I'm assuming. Thanks for all your help. I await your response regarding whether to follow your instructions on a consumer PC.


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Apr 14, 2016 at 12:23:00 pm

Just as a follow up:
19. I don't have a choice. I only have MME
20. I have 12 gig of RAM
25. When I hit F12+Control, a blank dialog box pops up.

In other words, I'm now pretty sure you weren't referring to my consumer PC with those tips of yours ;-)


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Chris WrightRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Apr 16, 2016 at 3:17:13 am

some beta testing i did for XAVC-S footage:

these improved my framerate by 20%:

26. set audio to 44.1 in hardware and premiere
audio pref - disable play audio while scrubbing
disable maintain pitch
audio hardware latency 200ms

disable sequence composite linear color
sequence audio settings 32000hz
sequence settings preview file 1920x1080 1/2 size video frame size 3840x2160 then 1/2 size playback

27. in monitor, pull markers together so there's less tick marks per inch, the playback marker will go

offscreen while playing back.


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Apr 16, 2016 at 3:43:29 am

Thanks, Chris, but it didn't affect playback at all.


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Chris WrightRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Apr 17, 2016 at 6:36:34 pm

yea, it contused me too at first. Once at Ctrl+f12 console view, click top left change to debug database view. I'm still messing with it. It's from this post:

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1583049?start=0&tstart=0

If you ever decide to upgrade again, I highly recommend https://pcpartpicker.com/


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Apr 17, 2016 at 8:03:07 pm

Yes, this time I see a list. I'll make the changes you suggested and report back for the benefit of others.

I do want to upgrade but I received a financial setback on Friday when my lawnmower died ($300.00) and on the way home this state trooper pulled me over and gave my SON a ticket ($179.00) for not wearing a seatbelt! On a 2 lane 35 mph road where I was doing the limit! Grrrrrrr....


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Apr 17, 2016 at 8:14:06 pm

I made all the changes except ImporterMXF.ReadBlockSizeinKB. I didn't have that in my list. Anyway, it made no difference. I guess I'll just struggle along until I can get a more powerful box. Thanks again, Chris.


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Duke SwedenRe: Is the HP Z820 Workstation Class Machine...
by on Apr 27, 2016 at 2:43:41 am

Well, I got in touch with the original seller and re-ordered the original box I got before. He said he would make sure they don't send me the same machine. Got it for the same price as well. Ripped open one of my no longer working computers and pulled out the HDD. It's a Seagate 7200rpm 3.5", etc. I don't know if it's the reason my old computer died or the mother board crapped out. I do know that I couldn't re-install Windows using the HDD, the USB ports, or the DVD player, so if the HDD is good I'll have two HDD's.

Anyway, these are the specs, again. I know Joe thinks this is pretty good. Any other opinions? It comes Thursday.
Powered By:
2x Intel Xeon X5570 2.96GHz 8MB Quad Core Processor

24GB DDR3 RAM (6x 4GB) (Total 12x DIMM Slots) (6x DIMM Slots for each Processor)

1x 2TB 7.2K RPM SATA 3.5" HDD

HP Nvidia Quadro FX4800 1.5GB PCI-e Dual Display Port + 1 DVI Video Card

Internal DVD-Rom (Picture Shown with DVD-RW, Only DVD-Rom is Included)

Microsoft Windows 7 Pro 64-Bit MAR Installed. (No Media)

Now to figure out how to set up a RAID ;-)


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