Moving from FCPX to PPro... pros and cons... long post.
Hard tout all this into words, so bear with me. After using FCP7 since it first came out, I have been using FCPX almost exclusively for the past two years, and have cut a few short form and one big long for feature doc on it. For all of its foibles, I enjoy it.
Now for various reasons I need to do a job on Premiere. Ironically I learned to digitally edit in about 1993 (after cutting on 3/4" tape for a few years previously) on Premiere with a Radius Video Vision card, then a Media 100 card, then Media 100 software, until FCP7 came along. Never realy touched Avid, but played with it recently.
So now I've come full circle, and have been re-learning Premiere which of course is not that hard coming from heavy FCP7 use, but I must say FCPX has spoiled me for two main reasons:
1) Without realizing it, I fell in love with keyword collections. I guess the parallel in PPro, as it was in FCP7, is to build SLX sequences, but they are much more cumbersome than keyword collections. So i dug deeper and am liking using markers and the marker panel. But still very different from keyword collections. One big request would be to select multiple sequences and see ALL the markers, and search them globally... can this be done?
2) For some reason the production team is getting a LOT of external audio, like 8 tracks for interviews and verite. This makes track patching extremely painful, i.e. when i have my interview clip with merged audio in V1 and A1 thru A8, when i load a verite clip whose sound (musicians jamming) I want to run under the interview, and this clip ALSO has 8 merged audio channels, it seems I need to manually one-by-one drag all 8 "source assignment" tracks A1 thru A8 on the source side, to patch them to target tracks A9 thru A16 in my sequence. I hope I am doing something wrong. Please illuminate! I really, really miss the way FCPX bundles all this audio into one clip. Also, when i want to put volume automation on all 8 of those channels I have to do it to one track and then copy /paste attributes to the rest.
So instead I am experimenting with loading sequences into the source monitor and editing these as nested sequences into my cut, and leaving it to the assistant to match frame back and cut in all the separate audio clips. I am totally spoiled by FCPX in that regard!
Mind you, in the early FCP7 years, i didn't seem to have to deal with so much external audio, but as the years went by it seemed production teams were recording more & more external audio. So after a few years of source/record editing with clips made with whatever audio was going into in the camera, gradually my style shifted to creating SLX sequences, then setting and in & outs there, copy, then going to my main sequence and paste, and that way when cutting a clip with many audio tracks user other clips with may audio tracks, at least you only had to re-target one audio track and the rest would automatically paste below that track. I see that Premiere works the same way. But that kind of cut and paste from one sequence to another seems so much slower now that I've been spoiled by FCPX, which really got me back into good old source/record editing that was really really fast due to never having to patch tracks.
Ah well, these are interesting times. I hope this makes sense, its hard to verbally describe these editing techniques. Thanks for any insights and tips!
[Joshua Pearson] "1) Without realizing it, I fell in love with keyword collections. I guess the parallel in PPro, as it was in FCP7, is to build SLX sequences, but they are much more cumbersome than keyword collections. So i dug deeper and am liking using markers and the marker panel. But still very different from keyword collections. One big request would be to select multiple sequences and see ALL the markers, and search them globally... can this be done?"
Premiere Pro has "search bins" which allow you to create bins based on keywords and combinations of metadata. This will include marker data I believe so if you tag a bunch of bits and want to organize around those bits, it should work fine. That said, I don't think it is a straight analogy to keyword collections. Check it out and tell us what you think.
[Joshua Pearson] "2) For some reason the production team is getting a LOT of external audio, like 8 tracks for interviews and verite."
Premiere Pro has a very powerful audio engine, but it can be a bit complicated. We are working to simplify it in the next version. There are a lot of good tutorials out there to help you understand how to route and control complex audio like what you're describing. One channel recently created is by my friend and former Adobe colleague, Colin Smith. Check it out - Video Revealed
Dennis - Adobe guy
We just did some tests and it seems that search bins do not include markers in the metadata. It would be fantastic to add that. I am mostly putting markers in sequences.
Hmmm, it's working for me. Are you putting the comments in the timeline or in the clip themselves? Maybe experiment and put your metadata in the comment field to see if it accessible?
I put my markers in a timeline as I am watching footage in that timeline... are you putting markers in a timeline?
That's how I would like to notate all my stringout timelines of raw footage as I watch it. Is there another way to notate footage while watching?
Again, I really like the Marker panel, I wish I could shift-select a bunch of timelines and have all the markers show up in the marker panel... or something like that.
[Joshua Pearson] "I wish I could shift-select a bunch of timelines and have all the markers show up in the marker panel... or something like that."
That's a good feature request. It would have to be selecting sequences from the source and then switching to marker panel since there is not way to make more than one timeline/sequence panel actively selected at once.
Prelude is a tool specifically designed for media logging, including notating clips in context, and those things are respected by prPro upon import. You might try that if you have it available for some additional ways to notate footage while watching it.
Software Quality Assurance - Digital Video at Adobe Systems
Hmmm, i will investigate Prelude.
Also, to clarify for Dennis, I can search for a marker name or comment in a Timeline, but it does not seem to work in the Project Panel. For example, I placed a marker in a Timeline that contains an interview, and I use both the marker name and comment fields. I name the marker "making the album" and also type "making the album" into the comment field. Then I move the playhead and command+F to search for "making the album", and the playhead jumps to the marker (NOTE:... just maybe found a bug?... the Find in Timeline tool seems to NOT work when search is set to "all", but only after I select "markers" in the drop-down menu... is that how it works or is that a little bug?)
Then let's say I want to go to the Project Panel and make a new search bin and search "all metadata" so I can search ALL my timelines for the marker or comment "making the album"... I get no results. I don't even see an option in the drop-down menu for marker, only for comment, and that is not working for me either.
That "comment" must refer to the "comment" column which I can create in the panel, but its not the same as a marker comment. Shouldn't marker info be included in metadata in the Project Panel?
By the way thanks Adobe guys for working with me on this!...