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Todd SchmidtImporting Clips, transcoded from FCP
by on Jan 6, 2015 at 6:03:16 pm

Hi all,

I'm working in:

Win 8.1
Adobe CC 2014 V8.1

I was given a project that obviously isn't working.My colleague that sent it has sort of left me in the dark as he isn't much of an editor. He actually didn't edit the original either.

When I try to link the media, I get the dreadful Codec not supported or missing. The clips are in a .mov container and will only open in MPC. I did some research on the codec, xd54 and it comes up as a pro-res codec...I could be wrong, but I'm thinking these were first trans coded in FCP (grrr, then the project was somehow reassembled in PP on a Mac. Does this make sense or am I out of my league?

Anyways, I spoke with the director and he said it was a tricaster shoot and he thinks it might've been done in Avid. But he doesn't really know (grrrr).

Any hoot, I save the clips properties. they are posted below. Any expert help would be appreciated.

Thanks!

Todd

Properties:

General
Complete name : F:\EASTER PLAY RESHOOT\PROGRAM RAW\720 24P TEMPLATE 54 (Camera 1).mov
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : QuickTime
Codec ID : qt
File size : 229 MiB
Duration : 53s 328ms
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 36.0 Mbps
Encoded date : UTC 2014-05-23 04:42:08
Tagged date : UTC 2014-06-24 03:00:27

Video
ID : 1
Format : MPEG Video
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : High@High 1440
Format settings, BVOP : No
Format settings, Matrix : Default
Format settings, GOP : N=1
Codec ID : xd54
Duration : 53s 95ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 34.6 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 61.0 Mbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Standard : NTSC
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:2
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 1.564
Time code of first frame : 21:41:14:23
Time code source : Group of pictures header
Stream size : 219 MiB (96%)
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2014-05-23 04:42:08
Tagged date : UTC 2014-05-23 04:42:08

Audio
ID : 2
Format : PCM
Format settings, Endianness : Little
Format settings, Sign : Signed
Codec ID : sowt
Duration : 53s 328ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 1 536 Kbps
Channel count : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Stream size : 9.76 MiB (4%)
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2014-05-23 04:42:08
Tagged date : UTC 2014-05-23 04:42:08


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John PaleRe: Importing Clips, transcoded from FCP
by on Jan 6, 2015 at 6:14:09 pm

I thinks that's the XDCAM implementation from either Avid or FCP.

Download the trial of this product and see if it helps.

http://www.calibratedsoftware.com/Products/XDDecodeV2/QXD.php


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Todd SchmidtRe: Importing Clips, transcoded from FCP
by on Jan 7, 2015 at 2:19:12 am

Thanks John,

You were right on the money. $149 per license. I'm wondering if there is any other options out there though? A tad bit cheaper haha!

Thanks!

Todd


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Tim KolbRe: Importing Clips, transcoded from FCP
by on Jan 7, 2015 at 10:33:03 pm

Unfortunately Apple decided to make a few FCP rewraps proprietary to their pro apps and not include them in standard QuickTime.

I don't know of a way to use this post-FCP material on Windows outside of getting the Calibrated software product or similar.

TimK,
Director, Consultant
Video Producer at I-CAR




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Todd SchmidtRe: Importing Clips, transcoded from FCP
by on Jan 7, 2015 at 11:28:06 pm

The guy who shot this exported from a tricaster. He says that it works perfectly fine on his system in FCP, Premiere and Avid. But he's on a Mac and I'm on Windows.

When I installed the trial of Calibrated (Q) XD Decode, it works with the of course the watermark. ALso, he says it's pro res 4:2:2. Which it clearly shows the xd54. Not sure if that's the same thing.

If I buy QT pro, do you think that might do the trick and install certain codecs I don't get with my version of QT?

Thanks!
Todd


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Tim KolbRe: Importing Clips, transcoded from FCP
by on Jan 7, 2015 at 11:58:45 pm

No. QuickTime Pro doesn't have the codec.

The reason why everything on his Mac recognized the media was because FCP was installed on it and the codec was available to all the applications on his system.

Even a Mac wouldn't be able to run this material without FCP or Motion installed.

TimK,
Director, Consultant
Video Producer at I-CAR




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Todd SchmidtRe: Importing Clips, transcoded from FCP
by on Jan 8, 2015 at 2:44:55 am

Thanks Tim,

I've called Adobe and they told me that the xd54 codec is available through QT for Windows, but for the life of me I can't find it. They said it's a prores codec. I've Googled my butt off trying to find it, not finding anything but the $149 decoder. I was told that the tricastor is Windows based and that I should have no problem, which I don't believe.

I'm running out of options.

Todd


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Todd SchmidtRe: Importing Clips, transcoded from FCP
by on Jan 8, 2015 at 2:52:21 am

Ok...weird. I think I figured this out. Well...I did but it's odd. I changed the extension to an mpg and it works. It was originally a QT. So now I have to change a million clips to mpg and I'm golden. ODD!

Todd


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Tim KolbRe: Importing Clips, transcoded from FCP
by on Jan 8, 2015 at 3:02:52 am

[Todd Schmidt] "Ok...weird. I think I figured this out. Well...I did but it's odd. I changed the extension to an mpg and it works. It was originally a QT. So now I have to change a million clips to mpg and I'm golden. ODD!"

Really? Wow...that IS wacky. An MPG extension shouldn't allow playback of a ProRes file...

TimK,
Director, Consultant
Video Producer at I-CAR




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Tim KolbRe: Importing Clips, transcoded from FCP
by on Jan 8, 2015 at 3:00:35 am

Now that I look at the specs you have, it looks like ProRes...no long GOP encoding.

If that is the case, you should be able to decode it with a current installation of QT for Windows. I handle (playback, not encode) ProRes on my Windows systems frequently enough.

TimK,
Director, Consultant
Video Producer at I-CAR




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Todd SchmidtRe: Importing Clips, transcoded from FCP
by on Jan 8, 2015 at 4:28:07 am

Hi Tim,

I have the latest QT for Windows 7.7.6 and have Pro which is up to date. I'm able to only get audio, no video after I installed the trial version of Sheervideo Pro. I've installed AvidCodecsLE234 and 2.3.8

When I open QT player and choose "open", I'm getting a thumbnail.

The only things that works is changing them to an mpg.


Grrr!


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Tim KolbRe: Importing Clips, transcoded from FCP
by on Jan 8, 2015 at 2:14:02 pm

[Todd Schmidt] "The only things that works is changing them to an mpg. "

As much as I am glad you at least found something that works...I still don't feel I understand why it works...

TimK,
Director, Consultant
Video Producer at I-CAR




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Todd SchmidtRe: Importing Clips, transcoded from FCP
by on Jan 8, 2015 at 11:44:01 pm

I know Tim...it's odd, and I'm gonna have to do a lot of work arounds since I'm sharing this project with someone. I called Adobe and they said there was a downloadable x54 prores codec, but they won't direct me to it. I'm still in detective mode though.

I'll let ya know! Thanks for everything!

Todd


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Todd SchmidtRe: Importing Clips, transcoded from FCP
by on Jan 8, 2015 at 11:54:21 pm

Actually Tim, I narrowed this down to this family of codecs:
XDCAM HD422

xd54 is in there. Now I need to know why I don't have them, where I can get them, etc.

Searching!

Todd


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Todd SchmidtRe: Importing Clips, transcoded from FCP
by on Jan 9, 2015 at 1:27:18 am

Sorry for so many posts, but here's what I found. There's nothing wrong with Premiere importing and play the xd54 footage. It's XDCAM...that's not it. It's the QT wrapper that is causing the problem. XDCam is usually has a .mp4 or MXF extension. FOr some reason the tricaster uses a QT wrapper. So when I changed it to an mpg it worked. I also changed them to an .mp4 and they work.

I have a Sony EX3 and it records as BRAV folders. In there are mp4 files.

Very weird how this happened.

Todd


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Alex UdellRe: Importing Clips, transcoded from FCP
by on Jan 9, 2015 at 2:55:35 pm

Pemiere will use multiple path ways to decode an image…(part of what makes mercury mercury)

in this case it looks to be basing that on the extension (the first thing it finds)…

so it sees .mov….it uses the quicktime library…

but since in this case it's only a soft wrapping of the data….and you can still get to i another way….

Premiere can interpret the native data bypassing the quicktime wrapper.

As a side note…

This might even provide better performance as well…as quicktime on windows uses a 32bit path, not a 64 bit one…..

nice detective work!

Alex Udell
Editing, Motion Graphics, and Visual FX


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Todd SchmidtRe: Importing Clips, transcoded from FCP
by on Jan 9, 2015 at 8:25:24 pm

Thanks Alex,

I really appreciate all the help I get here. In the case of the DP who shot it, all I got was the insinuation that I'm not a professional and lack professional equipment, haha!

Thanks!

Todd


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