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paulson lang
New macpro
on Aug 16, 2011 at 4:46:32 am

Hi,
I am waiting for new macpro's (Thunderbolt) launch to put a resolve suite. Am i doing the right thing?

Thanks
PL


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Robert Houllahan
Re: New macpro
on Aug 16, 2011 at 5:46:08 am

Probably? Maybe?

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Ola Haldor Voll
Re: New macpro
on Aug 16, 2011 at 6:42:30 am

Who knows when there's a new Mac Pro coming. I for one, don't. We can only hope for the best. Historically they've launched them around august/september.


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Robert Houllahan
Re: New macpro
on Aug 16, 2011 at 6:50:27 am

It could be that Apple has entirely forgotten that they make anything with "Pro" in the title....

-Rob-

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Ola Haldor Voll
Re: New macpro
on Aug 16, 2011 at 7:25:13 am

Maybe there's an Mac Pro X sneaking around the corner. And it will be built in a 2U or 3U rack with possibility for 8 HDDs. Would be something..


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Kris Anderson
Re: New macpro
on Aug 16, 2011 at 11:36:48 am

Thunderbolt will make very little difference to a Resolve suite. It already works without it. If you have work waiting, why wait longer for something that may or may not eventuate? If you don't have work waiting then why are you getting a suite in the first place?


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Robert Houllahan
Re: New macpro
on Aug 16, 2011 at 1:14:36 pm

One would hope that the next Mac pro would be rackmount and with more PciE slots and thunderbolt. Look at this board for what is available in workstation intel hardware these days: http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=270-WS-W555-A2&family=Motherbo... with up to 12 cores and 7 high speed slots you could build a real GPU/CPU monster with this.

My fear is that Apple will dumb down the Mac Pro even more than it is now, i.e. a few thunderbolt plugs and fewer PCIe slots which would mean less internal GPU possibilities rather than more.

-Rob-

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Paul Provost
Re: New macpro
on Aug 16, 2011 at 2:44:44 pm

[Kris Anderson] "Thunderbolt will make very little difference to a Resolve suite."

well it would leave whatever slots there are, open for GPU (with ultra studio 3D and promise raid external tbolt).
if it has 4 slots you could have 1 gui gpu, 2 render gpu, and red rocket inside without expander chassis right?
that would be huge (although maybe no different in performance compared with current mac pro with expander chassis)
but new i7 zeon 12 core or maybe even 20 core might even make a red rocket unnecessary.
there's just a real temptation to wait for this big step forward and as the current mac pro box is soooo old and due for a redesign.
AND the new sony OLED monitors coming, AND new tangent panels, building a new suite will be sweet!
If you are loosing work without, then that is another story, but it sucks to drop so much coin to have such a big change (possibly) coming...

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Jason Myres
Re: New macpro
on Aug 16, 2011 at 5:24:38 pm

According to articles like this, Apple is waiting on the Sandy Bridge chips to be available for production this fall. There is also word that the chips used in the new Mac Pro will be custom to Apple which might delay the release a little longer than usual.

http://www.mactrast.com/2011/08/mac-pro-upgrade-could-occur-in-the-4th-quar...

I think the more important thing, however, is will you even want the new Mac Pro? There's a lot of speculation about changes to the new enclosure that will make it much smaller, hopefully rack mountable, but at the cost of both optical drive bays, the 3.5" hard disk form factor, FireWire 800/400, and possibly some, or all, of the PCIe slots. There is a notion that the future is ThunderBolt-only, which would be in line with the idea that Steve has been fighting the use of expansion slots in computers since the Apple II era.

I guess the point is, many of things we have grown used to at Apple are changing. To assume the new Mac Pro will be even remotely similar to what we've been used to for the last decade may set you up for a surprise. So much so, that you may find yourself running for one of the last remaining Westmeres when the new design finally arrives.

JM


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Robert Houllahan
Re: New macpro
on Aug 16, 2011 at 6:54:12 pm

Well that is the problem with Steve Jobs, you never know where he is going, however with the sudden total destruction of FCP and X-Serve it seems fairly clear the direction they have taken with so called "Professional" users. I would venture to guess that a Mac-Pro with more PCIe slots is not in the cards, in fact maybe they will release a machine with no slots just a bunch of Thunderbolt plugs, who knows? There is this sort of insular group think at Apple that dismisses things outside the Apple universe, things like EDL's Fast GPU's and Blue-Ray discs, etc.

Good reason to build a Workstation PC to run OSX.......

-Rob-

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Greg Leuenberger
Re: New macpro
on Aug 16, 2011 at 7:20:05 pm

I would wait (I'm waiting) - unless you're actually losing business in the waiting process. Thunderbolt will take care of your RAID situation - and I've already seen one vendor announce an external Thunderbolt based PCIe expansion box. Slots are at a premium with DaVince - so I would think that waiting a bit should be worth it. The thought of having an external PCIe expansion box with a couple of fast CUDA cards in it is very appealing....

Not dealing with (yet another) Vendor and set of drivers for a HBA is appealing as well. Know what else is appealing? Sandybridge(!) : ) We may (not exactly crossing my fingers here) get a better BTO GPU as well.

If the new Mac Pro isn't something you want you can always buy a used 2010 one.

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Greg

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Robert Houllahan
Re: New macpro
on Aug 16, 2011 at 8:13:38 pm

I really like the idea of a Thunderbolt laptop and plan to get a 17" Macbook Pro for running Resolve in the field and the Blackmagic Thundebolt 3D Studio box looks great.

However.....

Thundebolt is only 4X PciE which seems pretty weak for adding additional GPU's which typically operate at 16X (6.4GT/S) per GPU. The Cubix operates at 16X and splits that amongst the slots in the box.

There are storage controllers which operate at 8X PciE speed...

So it just leaves me questioning the performance of a machine which is in a studio where you would want multiple fast GPU's to work with and possibly faster storage than a thunderbolt port can support.

-Rob-

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Eric Santiago
Re: New macpro
on Aug 17, 2011 at 2:42:59 am

Ive been playing this game with Apple for years and its always the same.
Budget starts in April.
Wait for August then if nothing happens, buy buy buy!
This time I cant wait, I need to upgrade the Avid system for the Resolve/Avid monster Im building :)
Recent Avid Mac Pro is a 1, 1 :P
With the Cubix no need for TB yet.


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Eric Fiegehen
Re: New macpro
on Aug 17, 2011 at 3:18:43 am

For what it's worth, keep in mind PCIe 3.0 is out and already discussion of a competing standard to Thunderbolt with way more bandwidth for external connectivity. Tom's Hardware article I read recently indicated a 40Gbps chipset for external connectivity will be available later this year or early next year.

If Steve Jobs is willing to kiss-off the professional markets by eliminating PCIe slots, adobe and avid will be laughing all the way to the bank.

Eric


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Sascha Haber
Re: New macpro
on Aug 17, 2011 at 7:37:59 am

I think its time for BM to evaluate Resolve for windows...
There...I said it..

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Mike Most
Re: New macpro
on Aug 17, 2011 at 3:40:55 pm

In the professional world, at least the network television/studio feature level, the vast, vast majority of shows are cut on Avid, running on Macs. A number of years ago, Avid attempted to move its focus to Windows and met with incredible resistance. I doubt they would try that tactic again, regardless of what Apple does or not do with their own focus and software efforts.

On the other hand, Avid is not really "laughing all the way to the bank." They are redoubling their efforts to capture the lions share of the "ex FCP" crowd by doing things like minimizing or eliminating their proprietary hardware in favor of commodity video cards like AJA and Blackmagic, and expanding the usefulness and integration of AMA to allow much more seamless integration of camera native file formats. I think by NAB next Spring you're likely to see a very open Avid, one that has everything people liked about FCP (resolution independence, cheap hardware, etc.) with a few other goodies thrown in (frame sequence support, perhaps). Just my opinion, but I've seen a lot of evidence to support it.


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Eric Fiegehen
Re: New macpro
on Aug 17, 2011 at 3:59:45 pm

I agree. A Windows version introduces a whole host of new issues, both on the development side and post-sales support side, which I doubt BMD/DaVinci would want to tackle.


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Sascha Haber
Re: New macpro
on Aug 17, 2011 at 4:25:59 pm

Dont get me wrong, I love the Mac.
I love it so much, I overlook most of its shortcomings just because it works so well out of the box.
My MacPro is the most beautiful computer ever built, and yes, I will probably try to upgrade its CPUs rather than downsize to a rack mountable pizza box.

I am just jealous when i see how much performance those experienced hackintosh users get from their systems.
Even with all the time and effort they need to put in, the results are amazing.

Speaking of AVIDs, in the past, they needed to run from external chassis too, so maybe thats the way professional systems have to be.
Modular and loud.

But yes...moving back to windows gives me the shivers too.

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