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Gerry Jones
Suggestions on new edit droid?
on Jan 20, 2012 at 11:14:28 pm

I'm building a new edit droid for Vegas, Acid Pro, Photoshop, After Effects. How does the following look?

All opinions for better/cheaper components are appreciated. Right now I'm well over the $1K I budgeted at $1,225 (Newegg), so upgrading components is a very tough sell to Purchasing.

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CASE Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case $99.99

PSU SeaSonic S12II 620 Bronze 620W ATX12V V2.3 / EPS 12V V2.91 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply $69.99

MOBO GIGABYTE GA-Z68A-D3H-B3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard $129.99

CPU Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) $229.99

CPU Cooler Rosewill RCX-ZAIO-92 92mm Sleeve Bearing Fan CPU Cooler $17.99

RAM G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL $46.99

VID EVGA SuperClocked 01G-P3-1461-KR GeForce GTX 560 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card $199.99

HD (2) Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s (2)@$124.99 = $249.98

READER Rosewill RDCR-11002 All-in-one USB 3.0 Card Reader $19.99

BURNER ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner $19.99

OS Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit $139.99

Any obvious blunders that need fixing? Overspending somewhere unimportant? Underspending somewhere very important?

Thanks for your advice!

Gerry


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Jeff Schroeder
Re: Suggestions on new edit droid?
on Jan 21, 2012 at 1:35:15 am

Let's say you're making a 1/2 hour show with multiple cameras. The difference in productivity between an i5 and an i7 is going to be about 8 shows. So your company is going to spend the money over and over with a slower CPU. Get more memory!

Jeff

Windows 7 64-bit, ASUS P6X58D, i7 960 3.20GHz, 24.0GB DDR3, 12TB connected storage
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Gerry Jones
Re: Suggestions on new edit droid?
on Jan 21, 2012 at 2:34:15 am

Faster? I think the 2500K is faster for $95 less.

Processor-----Speed--------Price-------Passmark*---Price/Performance!
i7 960----------3.20 GHz-----$325--------6,672-------(Not in Top 50)
i5 2500K------3.30 GHz-----$230--------7,483 -------32.54 (#29)

Sources:
* http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7+960+%40+3.20GH...
! http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_value_available.html

If I was going to go i7, I'd go with a 2600K:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/287?vs=288

Since the improvements are incremental, not incredible, the 2500K fits better into my budget than the 2600K.

From reading the reports of numerous Vegas power users on many threads, I'm unaware of any major performance improvements of budgeting more than 2GB per core.

Correct me with links if I'm wrong!

Thanks for the feedback!
Gerry


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Jeff Schroeder
Re: Suggestions on new edit droid?
on Jan 21, 2012 at 3:33:54 am

Correction, the i7 2600k (#12 on your chart) is $319, only $89 more. Don't get me wrong, the i5 is an excellent processor for email and word processing. All Sandy Bridge Core i5 processors have hyper-threading disabled. Vegas is a very multi-threaded application. If you buy the i5 you're going to pay the difference in lost productivity multiple times. Be careful how you interpret price/performance info.

i7 2600k------3.40 GHz-----$319--------8,971-------(#12)
i7 960---------3.20 GHz-----$325--------6,672-------(Not in Top 50)
i5 2500K------3.30 GHz-----$230--------7,483 -------32.54 (#29)


Jeff

good article: http://www.brighthub.com/computing/hardware/articles/48391.aspx

Windows 7 64-bit, ASUS P6X58D, i7 960 3.20GHz, 24.0GB DDR3, 12TB connected storage
http://www.narrowroadmedia.com


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Gerry Jones
Re: Suggestions on new edit droid?
on Jan 21, 2012 at 3:57:09 am

Jeff said, "All Sandy Bridge Core i5 processors have hyper-threading disabled. Vegas is a very multi-threaded application."

Great point, Jeff!

Looks like I get to go a little farther over budget and get the 2600K instead of the 2500K.

Thanks!
Gerry


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Scott Roberts
Re: Suggestions on new edit droid?
on Jan 21, 2012 at 4:22:13 am

Yes, save money on an i7 sandy bridge. max out your ram though. get a video card supported by the mercury playback engine.

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Gerry Jones
Re: Suggestions on new edit droid?
on Jan 21, 2012 at 4:56:45 am

The 560 I chose is not a Mercury Playback Engine approved card.

However, there are ways to unlock my 560 to use it with MPE:
http://www.studio1productions.com/Articles/PremiereCS5.htm

I'm already over budget and switching from a 2500K to a 2600K just screwed my budget further. A 570 would add another $130 I'm really not prepared to spend.

I got good news when a geek friend from Boeing recommended I get the Cooler Master RC-690 instead of the Antec 900. Better air flow and easier component access he says and the reviews back him up. So I'll save $20 on the RC-690 vs the 900 (post-rebate).

The only place I'm still considering biting the bullet is going with 16G of RAM to take full advantage of all 8 threads on the 2600K. Hmmmm....

Thanks for all your feedbacks everybody!
Gerry


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Jeff Schroeder
Re: Suggestions on new edit droid?
on Jan 21, 2012 at 3:44:06 pm

You could save an additional $26 by switching to the Antec 300, currently $82 free shipping, versus the 900 $100 + $8 shipping. Not quite as flashy, but flashy wears off quick. When you get more hard drives you can add a $15 fan up front. These cases are real nice.

Jeff

Windows 7 64-bit, ASUS P6X58D, i7 960 3.20GHz, 24.0GB DDR3, 12TB connected storage
http://www.narrowroadmedia.com


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Gerry Jones
Re: Suggestions on new edit droid?
on Jan 21, 2012 at 6:57:57 pm

The Antec 300 is a good case and I seriously considered it.

In the end, I think I'm going to go with the Cooler Master HAF 922 because of the great airflow and the completely tool-less design. I have great big bass player's hands; me with a screwdriver near fragile electronics is a bad thing! ;-)

My attempts at cost containment have failed miserably, but I think my final design is a far more capable edit droid due to your excellent and thoughtful suggestions. Thank you!

This is what I'm planning on ordering from Newegg tomorrow after final review:
What changed:

OLD CASE--- Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case $99.99
NEW CASE--- COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case $104.99

OLD CPU--- Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) $229.99
NEW CPU--- Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) $319.99

OLD VID--- EVGA SuperClocked 01G-P3-1461-KR GeForce GTX 560 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card $199.99
NEW VID--- EVGA SuperClocked 012-P3-1573-AR GeForce GTX 570 HD w/Display-Port (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card $329.99

NEW ITEM--- Arctic Silver AA-1.75G Thermal Compound $5.98

OLD RAM--- G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL $46.99
NEW RAM--- G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9Q-16GBXL $88.99

What stayed the same:

CPU Cooler--- Rosewill RCX-ZAIO-92 92mm Sleeve Bearing Fan CPU Cooler $17.99

PSU--- SeaSonic S12II 620 Bronze 620W ATX12V V2.3 / EPS 12V V2.91 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply $69.99

MOBO--- GIGABYTE GA-Z68A-D3H-B3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard $129.99

HD (2)--- Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s (2)@$124.99 = $249.98

READER--- Rosewill RDCR-11002 All-in-one USB 3.0 Card Reader $19.99

BURNER--- ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM $19.99

OS Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit $139.99

OLD TOTAL $1225
NEW TOTAL $1498 (+$273)

My old goal of a capable edit droid for around $1K is totally shredded.
My new goal is to totally enjoy working on a much faster machine, do more work in less time, and make this puppy earn its place in my studio!

Thanks again for all of your suggestions!
Gerry


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Scott Francis
Re: Suggestions on new edit droid?
on Jan 21, 2012 at 5:31:36 am

If budget is an issue, go with an AMD 1100t.....six cores, more threads and nice render times! I have 3 AMD Hexacores (2 1090's and 1 1100) for 3 editing suites and love them. Money I saved I put into 16G of RAM in all machines....also you can get a better decked out motherboard (I use gigabyte lately with great results). I have esata, usb3, more sata 6Gbs connections and more PCIe channels.....Just my two cents!

Scott Francis
Mind's Eye Audio/Video Productions


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Steve Rhoden
Re: Suggestions on new edit droid?
on Jan 21, 2012 at 1:35:32 am

What happen to the GPU graphics card?

Steve Rhoden
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Gerry Jones
Re: Suggestions on new edit droid?
on Jan 21, 2012 at 2:35:44 am

The GPU is an NVidia GeForce GTX 560

Thanks for the feedback!
Gerry


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Joe White
Re: Suggestions on new edit droid?
on Jan 22, 2012 at 2:53:48 am

I'd scale back on graphics card as there has not been that much positive press for the money spend and get a small SSD for the System and program files.

the I7 2600k is totally worth the extra expense



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Gerry Jones
Re: Suggestions on new edit droid?
on Jan 22, 2012 at 10:09:23 am

So Joe, what are we talking about... maybe scale back to a GTX 550 TI on video and add a 128GB SSD to use for system and programs? That makes sense and actually cuts about $50 off the system price.

Thanks!
Gerry


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Steve Rhoden
Re: Suggestions on new edit droid?
on Jan 22, 2012 at 10:13:30 am

No, you cant scale back on the graphics card.
Despite the fact that there has not been that much positive
press for the money spent.
I personally hate all the confusion around this graphics
card and that graphics card, but you can say its a necessary evil.

Steve Rhoden
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Film Maker
Filmex Creative Media.
1-876-832-4956
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Gerry Jones
Re: Suggestions on new edit droid?
on Jan 22, 2012 at 11:04:53 am

How is a super hot video card necessary? It seems that the usual bottleneck for Vegas is CPU and RAM power which I've addressed with my design changes.

How does a GTX 570 make itself worth spending almost $200 more than the 550 Ti? I'm not a gamer. I just want to mix some sound and cut some video.

Thanks!
Ben


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Jeff Schroeder
Re: Suggestions on new edit droid?
on Jan 22, 2012 at 4:46:27 pm

Gerry,

If I was maxed out and could trade the 560 for a 550 ti and get an SSD, I would get the SSD. I think your system will be faster over all.

The last 6 systems I built were around $2000, three with SSD's three without. There is a difference!

Then Raid (stripe) the two hard drives (are they 64 MB cache?) and get some speed there. You will be happy with this system.

Jeff

Windows 7 64-bit, ASUS P6X58D, i7 960 3.20GHz, 24.0GB DDR3, 12TB connected storage
http://www.narrowroadmedia.com


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Gerry Jones
Re: Suggestions on new edit droid?
on Jan 22, 2012 at 7:14:10 pm

I'm going to split the difference between the GTX 570 and the 550ti and get a superclocked 560 from EVGA. $190 after the MIR.

How big an SSD is needed so I can run Win7 64, Vegas, Acid, Photoshop off it?

Will a 120 or 128GB SSD do? A 128GB OCZ is $150. A 160GB is $235. A Sandisk 120GB is $140.

Thanks!
Gerry


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Jeff Schroeder
Re: Suggestions on new edit droid?
on Jan 22, 2012 at 7:47:36 pm

I'm running two systems on 60GB SSDs, that are about 1/2 full. If you think about it the only stuff that goes on it is Windows and software. Go add it up. Your 'My Documents' and other user file folders will be relocated.

Jeff

Windows 7 64-bit, ASUS P6X58D, i7 960 3.20GHz, 24.0GB DDR3, 12TB connected storage
http://www.narrowroadmedia.com


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Gerry Jones
Re: Suggestions on new edit droid?
on Jan 22, 2012 at 8:47:57 pm

Hmmmm... What about swap files?

I'm torn between getting the 128GB OCZ Agility($130 MIR) or the 240GB OCZ ($270 MIR). True, I could get a 60GB for $76 MIR, but I'm trying to future proof the box and be ready to run as much as possible off the SSD.

Thanks again for your astute feedback!
Gerry


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Gerry Jones
Re: Suggestions on new edit droid?
on Jan 22, 2012 at 11:34:13 pm

Belay that last SSD order. OCZ drives are running in the high teens for 1 star reviews on Newegg. Many, many DOA's and BSOD's. Not good.

Crucial M4's are down at 6% for the 128G and only 3% 1 star reviews for the 64G on Newegg. Much more reliable!

My data is crucial, maybe I should BUY Crucial! (ya think?) ;-)

Gerry


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