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Renzo Reyes
Colors change from AE to Photoshop
on Dec 2, 2010 at 8:07:18 pm

Hello all,

I'm rendering out photoshop files from my comps in AE and taking them to Photoshop to lay them down on a board for a client. When opening the files in Photoshop, the colors do not look the same as in AE.
I have color management set to off in AE. My color settings in Photoshop are set to sRGB IEC61966-2.1 (sRGB) .
If I turn on color management in AE and set it to sRGB IEC61966-2.1 (sRGB) the colors change a lot inside AE (and look exactly like they do in PS). My question is: is there a way to have photoshop display the same colors I have in my AE project (with color management off) without having to turn color management on in AE (that changes the colors in my comps)

thanks

Renzo Reyes
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Kevin Camp
Re: Colors change from AE to Photoshop
on Dec 2, 2010 at 9:22:24 pm

you may want to check out this tutorial on ae color space:

http://library.creativecow.net/articles/devis_andrew/Assigning-colour-profi...

i think all you want is to have ae add the color profile that it is using (not necessarily the same profile that ps uses) to the file that it renders. then when ps sees the profile, it can use it to display the colors more accurately.

Kevin Camp
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Graham Macfarlane
Re: Colors change from AE to Photoshop
on Dec 2, 2010 at 9:49:18 pm

Are you on a Mac or PC?
If you save from AE as a jpeg and view in an image viewer (not PS) how does it look?

I think that in AE with no colour management set you are actually viewing your comp in the colour space that your system and monitor is set to. Perhaps someone could confirm this.

The way I understand it is that since PS has to have a distinct colour profile set and clearly your not working in that particular space within AE something has to change in AE else your output (for web I assume) will never look like your original comp.

I would suggest you change your AE project to sRGB IEC61966-2.1 and do a global CC to get your colours back the way they need to be.

Graham Macfarlane
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Walter Soyka
Re: Colors change from AE to Photoshop
on Dec 2, 2010 at 10:28:26 pm

[Graham Macfarlane] "I think that in AE with no colour management set you are actually viewing your comp in the colour space that your system and monitor is set to. Perhaps someone could confirm this."

Yes. From Color management and color profiles in the manual:
If you don’t enable color management for your project, then the colors in your composition are dependent on the color characteristics of your monitor: the colors that you see are the colors that your monitor displays based on RGB numbers in your footage items. Because different color spaces use the same RGB numbers to represent different colors, the colors that you see and composite may not be the colors that the creator of the footage intended. In fact, the colors may be very far from the intended colors.


[Graham Macfarlane] "I would suggest you change your AE project to sRGB IEC61966-2.1 and do a global CC to get your colours back the way they need to be."

Personally, I'd work in AE in the color space of the whatever display the work is being produced for; otherwise, you'll have to remember to convert on output, or your colors may be off on your final delivery. Nearly all of my work is HD video, so I usually work in Rec. 709.


[Renzo Reyes] "My question is: is there a way to have photoshop display the same colors I have in my AE project (with color management off) without having to turn color management on in AE (that changes the colors in my comps)"

I would guess that if you used Proof Colors in Photoshop with your Proof Setup set to your monitor's profile, you'd get what you're looking for, but I think enabling color management will be a far better workflow.

You can read more on workflows with Adobe's color management here:
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/aftereffects/articles/color_management_workflow.html


Walter Soyka
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Chris Wright
Re: Colors change from AE to Photoshop
on Dec 3, 2010 at 12:44:28 am

you're right. If you use a much different color space than the original used, you'll get gamut errors called posterization, and wonder, "hey why are there lines in here?"

http://technicolorsoftware.hostzi.com/


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Graham Macfarlane
Re: Colors change from AE to Photoshop
on Dec 3, 2010 at 1:16:35 am

I suggested working in AE under the sRGB IEC61966-2.1 profile because Renzo's final output is imagery from Photoshop. I assumed possible web use but on second thought, Renzo mentions boards, so if printing is involved It would be better in both AE and PS to use the Apple RGB profile (Larger colour Gamut - better for print).

Graham Macfarlane
3D animator and VFX specialist
London UK


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Darby Edelen
Re: Colors change from AE to Photoshop
on Dec 3, 2010 at 7:03:19 pm

What happens if you tell Photoshop not to color manage the document once you have it open there?

Edit > Assign Profile > Don't Color Manage This Document

The fact that you're seeing such huge shifts from no color management to sRGB is a hint that you're not using the sRGB profile on your display (which is fine). Has your display been recently calibrated?

When you tell Photoshop not to color manage the document your working space should match your monitor's assigned color space. Generally speaking this is not necessarily a good or bad thing but it means that your colors should match what you see in AE.

If the colors do match then the last step would be using

Edit > Convert To Profile > sRGB

on the Photoshop document, assuming that you are expected to deliver in the sRGB profile.

This problem should be solvable entirely in Photoshop.

Darby Edelen


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