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caleb morrishaving trouble getting mocha to work
by on Aug 25, 2010 at 1:25:34 am

I get a perfect track in Mocha every time but when I import it into After effects the data seems to have gone bad and nothing moves properly. please someone help.


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david ParsonsRe: having trouble getting mocha to work
by on Aug 25, 2010 at 2:14:46 pm

I am having the same problem. Mocha (v1 or v2) track perfectly.. The Surface is dead on throughout the track. When I import the data (either from saved file or clipboard) and paste it onto my solid layer the track is off all over the place.. Any ideas?

Thanks!


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Chris ButtacoliRe: having trouble getting mocha to work
by on Aug 25, 2010 at 3:20:55 pm

Are you corner pinning? Because that's an entirely different answer.

If you are just bringing in the track for position, scale and rotation, you have to discard the anchor point information. Normally I don't flat out delete it, but add [0,0] as an expression to the anchor property.

Also, make sure you paste the Mocha info into the null object with the CTI at the beginning of the timeline.


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caleb morrisRe: having trouble getting mocha to work
by on Aug 25, 2010 at 9:14:53 pm

I'm trying to corner pin and i tried to transform and remove the anchor point data as you said but it still went wrong. The motion seemed to be in the exact opposite direction and WAY over exaggerated. Do You know what could be wrong and could you help me with cornor pinning.
thanks.


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david ParsonsRe: having trouble getting mocha to work
by on Aug 25, 2010 at 4:35:41 pm

I made a post on this and then I found out what was the REAL problem. Basics.. it's always basics

These were my steps originally:
1. open Mocha and start a new project
2. import my footage
3. place points and adjust Surface; make track (looks great)
4. export tracking data
5. apply to a solid in After Effects
6. watch it bounce around badly


It did not make sense.. the track was perfect but the data in AE was awful..

So.. Basics..

I began to look at the obvious.. pixel aspect, comp size, frame rate..

It turns out the original footage I was testing had a 29.76 frame rate!

So..
When I dropped it into Mocha, Mocha defaulted to 30fps for the project..

That means my track was perfect (internal to Mocha) for a piece of footage with a 29.76 frame rate, interpreted by Mocha as 30fps..


Then when I went to After Effects the following happened:
1. in AE I imported my footage (29.76 remember) and AE defaulted to 30 fps
2. the comp I made was also defaulted to 30fps
3. apply the data track from Mocha to this footage..
4. See crazy results because the original fps was never addressed!



So when I saw what the original Frame Rate was I brought it back into Mocha to find I could not set a custom frame rate..
I then:
1. exported the original footage out of Quicktime to 30fps.
2. tracked it in mocha at 30fps
3. imported it into AE and worked with it at 30fps, applied the tracking data and the Track was Perfect!


So I would urge anyone to verify the basics before going further!

Good Luck!


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Dave LaRondeRe: having trouble getting mocha to work
by on Aug 25, 2010 at 6:32:32 pm

[david Parsons] "It turns out the original footage I was testing had a 29.76 frame rate"

Whoa, whoa, whoa! What kind of a frame rate is THAT?

You probably mean 29.97 OR 23.976, but I don't know which. In either case, I'm glad you found the problem.

And you're absolutely right about the basics. They'll get you every time.

Dave LaRonde
Sr. Promotion Producer
KCRG-TV (ABC) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Chris ButtacoliRe: having trouble getting mocha to work
by on Aug 26, 2010 at 3:00:24 am

Caleb, try watching the tutorials on Mocha's web site. Especially the ones at the bottom on Mocha to AE workflows.
http://www.imagineersystems.com/support/mocha/tutorials/


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caleb morrisRe: having trouble getting mocha to work
by on Aug 26, 2010 at 9:18:21 pm

Thank you. I found the answer I was looking for thanks for the help!!!


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David CabestanyRe: having trouble getting mocha to work
by on Jan 15, 2011 at 6:08:04 pm

Hey guys I'm having a completely different issue with mocha, perhaps you can help me address it.

I upgraded from CS4 to CS5 a couple months ago and today is the first time I tried the bundled version of Mocha that came with CS5, before that I had already Mocha V2 because I had bought it as an upgrade from the version that came bundled with CS4, although the interface is slightly modified they are basically the same.

I did a series of tracks this morning, in Mocha they look perfect and all of them are falling into place, however when I'm copying and pasting in AE or to a txt file the data on each frame is the same in all of them, hence I have absolutely no movement, here I'm pasting the data from one of my tracks.



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Source Width 1920
Source Height 1080
Source Pixel Aspect Ratio 1
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End of Keyframe Data

Does anyone knows if I'm doing something wrong or there's a bug in the new version of Mocha?

Thanks in advance,

D.


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