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Jeremy Mullen
Rendering AE comps in Media Encoder
on Feb 17, 2010 at 4:55:58 pm

I don't see too much discussion on Adobe Media Encoder... Anyone using this to open AE comps and render? I'm just trying it out and it's running about 1/6 the speed of rendering within AE. Does this sound familiar to anyone?


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Dave LaRonde
Re: Rendering AE comps in Media Encoder
on Feb 17, 2010 at 5:01:38 pm

[Jeremy Mullen] "I don't see too much discussion on Adobe Media Encoder... Anyone using this to open AE comps and render? "

Nope, not very often.





[Jeremy Mullen] "I'm just trying it out and it's running about 1/6 the speed of rendering within AE."

With NO loss of quality? Cool! Can you also make multiple versions of the render in different sizes and codecs?

Dave LaRonde
Sr. Promotion Producer
KCRG-TV (ABC) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Jeremy Mullen
Re: Rendering AE comps in Media Encoder
on Feb 17, 2010 at 5:09:43 pm

Yes, you can make multiple versions, and its got a very nice preview feature...

But when I write 1/6 the speed, I don't mean 6x the speed. AE took 2 hrs to render the same comp that Media Encoder wants 12 to do. Sure it's a background render, but I'm not sure it's worth the wait. Just wondering if anyone else has used it and experienced the same startling slowness.


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Walter Soyka
Re: Rendering AE comps in Media Encoder
on Feb 17, 2010 at 5:14:32 pm

Perhaps AE is using multiprocessing, and AME is not?

Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
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Dave LaRonde
Re: Rendering AE comps in Media Encoder
on Feb 17, 2010 at 5:15:56 pm

[Jeremy Mullen] "AE took 2 hrs to render the same comp that Media Encoder wants 12 to do."

Oh, in actuality, it's a 2-hour render in AE, but it's a 12-hour render Adobe Media Encoder. I had it backwards. Sorry.

That would explain why you never hear anyone talking about it, I guess....

Dave LaRonde
Sr. Promotion Producer
KCRG-TV (ABC) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Jeremy Mullen
Re: Rendering AE comps in Media Encoder
on Feb 17, 2010 at 5:26:38 pm

Sorry to get you excited there for a moment. Multiple output modules at 6x rendering speed?! I would have used caps-lock to post that.


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Todd Kopriva
Re: Rendering AE comps in Media Encoder
on Feb 17, 2010 at 6:08:42 pm

Yes, there's a reason that we don't talk much about Adobe Media Encoder.

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Dave LaRonde
Re: Rendering AE comps in Media Encoder
on Feb 17, 2010 at 9:17:55 pm

[Todd Kopriva] "Yes, there's a reason that we don't talk much about Adobe Media Encoder."

Now, that's cryptic.... and at the same time, revealing.

From this, I conclude that AME isn't quite ready to compete with Apple's Compressor or the Sorenson application(s).

Dave LaRonde
Sr. Promotion Producer
KCRG-TV (ABC) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Joe Moya
Re: Rendering AE comps in Media Encoder
on Feb 17, 2010 at 6:20:56 pm

The only time I have ever seen this sort of dramatic change in render time is when the setting between the two were not the same...and, with AE that can easily be done by accident or in a few instances certain effects used in AE forces AE to a lower quality render format even if the settings don't indicated this... off hand and if my memory is correct, this happed to me with puppet tool.


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Joseph W. Bourke
Re: Rendering AE comps in Media Encoder
on Feb 18, 2010 at 3:33:43 am

It's interesting to hear the negative takes on AME. I've been outputting an uncompressed master file from Premiere (Animation, Millions of colors), then using AME to output the various flavors of files I need for clients - everything from 640 x 360 H.264 files to 320 x 180 files for iTouch phones, and haven't run into anything I would consider unacceptably slow. I am running on a Quad Core Intel machine with 8GB of RAM, running Vista 64 bit, and I'm always pleasantly surprised that AE, Premiere, and AME speed right along with their renders.

For example, a master file out of Premiere CS4 might take 5 minutes or so for a 3 minute piece at 1920 x 1080, then the 640 x 360 H.264 encoding in AME might take 3 minutes. Not unacceptible to me by any means. What sort of speeds are people getting with Squeeze or other encoding engines?

Joe Bourke
Creative Director / Multimedia Specialist
B&S Exhibits and Multimedia
bs-exhibits.com


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Jeremy Mullen
Re: Rendering AE comps in Media Encoder
on Feb 18, 2010 at 2:27:03 pm

No, I actually do like it's batching and multiple-module feature once you have a master output already. I was more curious whether anyone was using the feature of opening an AE composition and rendering that through AME. Conceivably, it would be a great way to background render AE comps without investing in a plugin like Nucleo. But it doesn't work well, at least for me.


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Walter Soyka
Re: Rendering AE comps in Media Encoder
on Feb 18, 2010 at 2:31:42 pm

[Jeremy Mullen] "Conceivably, it would be a great way to background render AE comps without investing in a plugin like Nucleo."

If that's what you're looking to do, check out Lloyd Alvarez's BG Renderer script.

Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
RenderBreak Blog - What I'm thinking when my workstation's thinking
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Joe Moya
Re: Rendering AE comps in Media Encoder
on Feb 18, 2010 at 8:30:31 pm

Perhaps the main reason you have not had as many problems as others is because the types of rendering you described are not HD formats (i.e. - 1920x1080 or 1440x1080 or 2K or 4K... for example).

AE and rendering of HD to an nice uncompressed format for long-ish compositings is not a fun experience for even the beefest machine. And, forget about AE capable of easily handling HD size files for view rendering without a proxy... Especially in instances where an effect requires pixel shifts which can not use proxies.


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Tom Kolby
Re: Rendering AE comps in Media Encoder
on Mar 17, 2010 at 3:30:30 am

I've gotten the same results as you. 6 times slower. But I really would like to do 2 pass encoding so..

Oh well - have to get back to waiting for my render to finish. Only 11 hours left. Sigh..



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