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Dave LaRonde
Is There a Full Moon Tonight or Something?
on Dec 3, 2009 at 12:29:57 am

Before I left work to go home, I looked at the most current posts. Two user posts below were just about the weirdest things I've read in a long, long time. These guys had absolutely NO CLUE how to work AE.

What brings out two such wacko posts? The full moon? Something they ate? Mass hysteria?

I don't mind helping, but jeez, it really does help to have an idea what the application does, or ask on the AE Basics forum!






Dave LaRonde
Sr. Promotion Producer
KCRG-TV (ABC) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Joey Burnham
Re: Is There a Full Moon Tonight or Something?
on Dec 3, 2009 at 12:35:23 am

Because these people don't actually PAY for the software they use.
Joey


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Joseph W. Bourke
Re: Is There a Full Moon Tonight or Something?
on Dec 3, 2009 at 2:49:14 am

Sorry Dave...the full moon was LAST night. These questions that seem to have come from the back side of a martian cereal box can mean only one thing: My request to have a warning label on the side of every Adobe product that says "Talent not included!" must be adopted.



Joe Bourke
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B&S Exhibits and Multimedia
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Christopher Wright
Re: Is There a Full Moon Tonight or Something?
on Dec 3, 2009 at 4:38:06 am

Actually the full moon is tonight. Dave hit the nail on the head.

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Steve Roberts
Re: Is There a Full Moon Tonight or Something?
on Dec 3, 2009 at 4:06:42 am

Too bad Adobe doesn't sell that basic AE-like app any more. What was it called again?



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Dave LaRonde
Re: Is There a Full Moon Tonight or Something?
on Dec 3, 2009 at 3:47:22 pm

I had no idea Adobe ever has such a thing.

But if they had one, I doubt it would stop the high schoolers' gripes: "Hey, how come I can't make 'The Lord Of Rings' using my After Effects Lite software and an HDV camera?"

Dave LaRonde
Sr. Promotion Producer
KCRG-TV (ABC) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Steve Roberts
Re: Is There a Full Moon Tonight or Something?
on Dec 3, 2009 at 4:35:14 pm

I think it was LiveMotion.



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Dave Johnson
Re: Is There a Full Moon Tonight or Something?
on Dec 3, 2009 at 7:07:39 pm

I've also noticed that the will-you-read-the-manual-to-me type posts tend to come in waves and also that the people they're from often make references to classes, etc. ... makes me think there are some class instructors out there pointing auditoriums full of teenagers to the COW for help with things like semester-end projects so they don't have to answer a hundred similar emails/calls from their own students.


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Dave LaRonde
Re: Is There a Full Moon Tonight or Something?
on Dec 3, 2009 at 7:50:32 pm

[Dave Johnson] "...makes me think there are some class instructors out there pointing auditoriums full of teenagers to the COW..."

Ah, that makes sense. Now we simply have to learn the instructors' names and locations, then send Guido, Bruno and Vinnie out to make some nice, friendly, persuasive visits.

Dave LaRonde
Sr. Promotion Producer
KCRG-TV (ABC) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Dave Johnson
Re: Is There a Full Moon Tonight or Something?
on Dec 3, 2009 at 9:14:38 pm

lol

I'm sure plenty of COW regulars would be happy to chip in for the fee.


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Michael Szalapski
Re: Is There a Full Moon Tonight or Something?
on Dec 3, 2009 at 9:54:24 pm

Can I play the role of "Vinnie"?

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Brian Charles
Re: Is There a Full Moon Tonight or Something?
on Dec 3, 2009 at 11:08:23 pm

I confess I am one of those instructors. Its approaching end of term, so assignments are due soon.
I don't refer my students to the COW however, they get extensive notes and tutorials from me so there's no excuse for the brainless questions we've seen lately... hope they're not my class.



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David Johnson
Re: Is There a Full Moon Tonight or Something?
on Dec 4, 2009 at 1:12:58 pm

In all fairness, it isn't instructors' faults they're teaching the EZ-button generation ... many of whom have no idea that, no too long ago, many of us had to work on even the simplest of text animations in tiny 50% comp windows using draft previews and closing out every other computer process just so we could see the first few frames at even close to real-time playback, then wait 6 hours for the final render. Perhaps that's why some have to restrain from responding to questions like "where is the button I push to make a sequence like the one in the Matrix?" and "how come AE doesn't just automatically use the 'right' codec, render it in real time and edit it into my 'movie' for me?" with answers like "are you aware AE comes with a manual?", "have you seen any of the other million answers to that question on this forum?" or "have you heard of Google?". ;~)

Personally, I enjoy giving back by helping out those just starting out when I'm able, but I also think compositing, mograph, editing, etc. are just not the right places for the EZ-button type of person.


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Dave LaRonde
Re: Is There a Full Moon Tonight or Something?
on Dec 4, 2009 at 9:02:44 pm

[David Johnson] "...I also think compositing, mograph, editing, etc. are just not the right places for the EZ-button type of person...."

Oh, Amen, brother!

Now, what to do with all of the Easy Button types? I'd think there would be a finite number of video game testing positions, so my career counseling advice wouldn't help much.

Dave LaRonde
Sr. Promotion Producer
KCRG-TV (ABC) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Michael Szalapski
Re: Is There a Full Moon Tonight or Something?
on Dec 4, 2009 at 9:19:37 pm

I'm relatively young and new to the field compared to many of you, but I have earned my way to where I am with lots of hard work, lots of time spent in the programs, and LOTS of time spent in the manual, watching tutorials, experimenting, etc. I used to throw a template effect on something and call it good; now I create all my stuff from scratch because, for me, it's faster to get to what I want.

These Easy Button (tm) questions really grind my gears too. They think that, with five minutes of work, they can create stuff like they see in feature films. Um...there's a reason people get paid thousands of dollars for that work. Er, two reasons actually. Time and Experience.
(Also, a good sense of design doesn't hurt.)
Three reasons!
Three reasons people get paid thousands of dollars for that work; time, experience, a good sense of design, and a lot of effort. Four reasons!

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Dave LaRonde
Re: Is There a Full Moon Tonight or Something?
on Dec 4, 2009 at 9:23:41 pm

[Michael Szalapski] "there's a reason... Er, two reasons actually...Three reasons!... Four reasons! "

No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!!!

Dave LaRonde
Sr. Promotion Producer
KCRG-TV (ABC) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Matthew Mullen
Re: Is There a Full Moon Tonight or Something?
on Dec 4, 2009 at 9:32:31 pm

I've worked support in this industry for a few years now. For an NLE and now an effects company. Most of the cases are legit, but I am right there with you.

I hate people who have no issues or problems with their systems but complain "Why don't you just have a preset for this?" or "Can't you build this transition and send me the preset?" . . . No sit I'm sorry, I don't get paid to do your job.

And I see it from all generations not just the young, but I'd like to think that most should embrace technology to become more resourceful. Not lazy!

-Matt


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Michael Szalapski
Re: Is There a Full Moon Tonight or Something?
on Dec 4, 2009 at 9:26:13 pm

[Dave LaRonde] "Ah, that makes sense. Now we simply have to learn the instructors' names and locations, then send Guido, Bruno and Vinnie ..."

Bruno? I would suggest that the tough guy image of that name has been somewhat tarnished lately...



- The Great Szalam
(The 'Great' stands for 'Not So Great, in fact, Extremely Humble')

No trees were harmed in the creation of this message, but several thousand electrons were mildly inconvenienced.


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Dave LaRonde
Re: Is There a Full Moon Tonight or Something?
on Dec 4, 2009 at 9:33:14 pm

Eeeeewwww! I forgot about the guy who makes you think twice about showering at the "Y".

Okay, now replacing Bruno in the lineup: Lucca.

Dave LaRonde
Sr. Promotion Producer
KCRG-TV (ABC) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Dave Johnson
Re: Is There a Full Moon Tonight or Something?
on Dec 4, 2009 at 10:01:33 pm

[Dave LaRonde] "Now, what to do with all of the Easy Button types? I'd think there would be a finite number of video game testing positions"

True, but you're spot on ... video game testing seems the strongest skill for many of the ones I've come across in recent years.

[Michael Szalapski] "I'm relatively young and new to the field compared to many of you, but I have earned my way"

No doubt, Micheal. I understand why it sounded this way, but I wasn't berating younger professionals ... I've read many of your posts, and you're clearly in a different league than the types I referred to. I too started very young and earned my way with lots of blood, sweat and tears, in addition to the four requirements you summed up very well. I'm sure there are lots of younger guys doing the same ... the overall percentage willing to put effort into getting what they want just seems to be decreasing at an alarming rate ... but then again, my father said the same of my generation.

[Michael Szalapski] "Bruno? I would suggest that the tough guy image of that name has been somewhat tarnished lately."

I dunno ... that picture sure scares the #@&#% out of me!


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Butch Golden
Re: Is There a Full Moon Tonight or Something?
on Dec 6, 2009 at 12:21:07 am

I think my peculiar view toward this subject might make a few of you chuckle.

I have been a avid and daily reader of this forum for around 2 years (I think) and have been playing around with AE for about the same amount of time.

I have read so much, taken in so many tutorials, and made so many notes, I can suggest answers to friends on their compositing questions and be correct a very large part of the time but still have not tried a whole project of my own design yet.

That day will come at some point and I'm sure it will be a fun endeavor but until I get that one project idea and that spark of creative ignition that pushes me over the edge, I'm just happy to know that most all the answers are already in the manual and that 'probably' everything else I might want to know is in the search function at the top of each page.

If I ever pose a question, I hope it will be something more than some of the ones referenced in this thread.

Respects to all and thanks for great minds!


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Michael Szalapski
Re: Is There a Full Moon Tonight or Something?
on Dec 8, 2009 at 7:02:56 pm

[Dave Johnson] ...I wasn't berating younger professionals...

Oh, I know, I was just saying that I've earned my way to where I am through the hard work, so why can't they?
I spent tons of time reading the manual so that I could understand how it worked and watching as many tutorials as I could so that I could understand how to make it work.
And now my salary, right out of school, is higher than my dad's after over 25 years of working. You don't get paid like this for doing nothing, following a tutorial or two and getting the COW to do your work.

They wouldn't expect to be able to carve something like Michaelangelo's David without years of training and experience (and talent), but they seem to think they can do Hollywood-type effects without any of that. (Also, frequently by using the wrong tools: "Why can't I create King Kong with AE? It does 3d, I know it!")

- The Great Szalam
(The 'Great' stands for 'Not So Great, in fact, Extremely Humble')

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les nemeth
Re: Is There a Full Moon Tonight or Something?
on Dec 6, 2009 at 2:49:04 am

It seems to me the questions are very similar to what marketing people would ask. I had the misfortune to work with them directly. They are one of God's most weirdest creature. They seem to think they know the answer to everything (especially about how long something takes), yet they can't put it into a normal statement of what they want.


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