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Andy Engelkemier
slide layer without keys?
on Aug 23, 2019 at 2:51:47 pm

I keep running into this, so wanted to ask.

I had to add 4.5 seconds-ish to the front of my animation. So, scoot everything over 4.5 seconds. So far, so good.
Move the playhead back to zero, select the layers that started at the first frame before, and hit Alt+[. Great, the shape layers, adjustment layers, etc, are now starting at frame 0. But compositions and footage that didn't have time remap is not.

I need to move the footage over, but there is already keyframes. Those need to stay put.
So I have to select them one at a time. Move the playhead to the first keyframe. Slide it over to zero, then move the keyframes back to where they were.

Is there a way to just move the in point of the layer without moving the keyframes? I basically need the pan behind tool....but that only allows you to move the in/out points that are already on the timeline. Not sure how to put that, but if you try it, that will make more sense.


And just to clear things up a little, there Is animation in the compositions in question. But they have nothing to do with the timing of the keyframe animation, which is on position. And some of them are just in compositions to be "groups" but the way AE works, is if you want something grouped, it has to be a composition, and also has to have an in/out time.....as far as I know.


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Graham Quince
Re: slide layer without keys?
on Aug 25, 2019 at 10:06:52 am

Hi,

I think Adobe just recently solved this problem. Take a look at this reponsive design page:

https://helpx.adobe.com/uk/after-effects/using/responsive-design.html

Not used it myself, but this should let you adjust nested comps timeline positions and have AE automatically sort out time remapping around protected areas.

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Andy Engelkemier
Re: slide layer without keys?
on Aug 26, 2019 at 1:29:39 pm

Oh boy. You should try that out yourself before you go suggesting it.

It's AWFUL! It'll work for like 2 seconds, sometimes. But it completely screws up your timeline. I mean, it's terrible. It's like they didn't even test it out.

That also doesn't solve my problem, because that assumes the keys are already in the composition. I have a composition already, then I have keys on the composition. The biggest problem with the responsive idea they have there, is it messes up time. So when you go to move keys, they "accelerate". No joke. Make a short composition, then extend it to like 10 minutes. Then make a few position keys somewhere around 5 minutes. Go do something else, come back, and move the keys.
I'm not sure what they did, but they sure screwed it up, because the keys just fly off the page.

I had a whole project over 100 layers long with 30+ compositions. I used this technique to help me out. It has the added bonus of being able to move your animations (just like multiple time remaps) without even dropping down your time remap keys. You can see where they are too, because it shows up blue. It would be Super great.......if it worked. It just falls apart too frequently. So I had to undo all that. And you can't easily undo it. You can remove the protected region, but it sort of stays? The time of your composition is still messed up. I think maybe you can fix it by adding time remap, then removing it? I can't remember. I think in most cases I ended up dragging in the composition again, and just matching the settings manually. It took me hours to fix.

Adobe has a lot of work to do with the essential graphics. And they don't recognize that it's an issue. And yes, I reported it. And no, I didn't get a response. Not sure why we pay more for the business version. Seriously, it's an extra $20 per user, and you Really don't get anything for it other than being able to assign people all in one management area.


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Graham Quince
Re: slide layer without keys?
on Aug 26, 2019 at 1:41:30 pm

Oh wow, sorry I had no idea. Especially that it would fight you on the undoing.

Comp markers and manually moving layers then using the marker to re-align your key frames might be the only option then.

Anyone else here got a better idea?

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