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Matthew Pendergast
AE turning my stills grainy!
on Apr 6, 2011 at 9:25:04 pm

I am utterly stumped by this.

I am having a problem where a lot of the JPEGs or PSD files I'm importing into After Effects are looking completely awful once I bring them in - noise, grain, pixelation. The originals look great in Photoshop and Preview, but once I drop them into "create a new comp" they become basically useless. See example screengrabs (not sure how well this is coming across, but trust me it looks terrible).

I've tried changing color space, resolution, dropping the image into different comps, RAM previewing, even final outputting in the Render Queue - nothing works. This is also happening with my RAW photos (.CR2), so it's definitely not the quality of the image that's an issue.

I'm in CS5 running Snow Leopard. 2 x 3 GHz Quad Core Mac Pro with 12 GB of RAM and an ATI Radeon HD 4870 graphics card.

Any help is greatly appreciated!!!

In Photoshop:



In After Effects:



Final Output (JPEG Sequence):


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Dave LaRonde
Re: AE turning my stills grainy!
on Apr 6, 2011 at 10:36:20 pm

Are they CMYK instead of RGB?

Dave LaRonde
Sr. Promotion Producer
KCRG-TV (ABC) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Matthew Pendergast
Re: AE turning my stills grainy!
on Apr 6, 2011 at 10:55:40 pm

Nope, all RGB, 8 bpc.


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Cory Petkovsek
Re: AE turning my stills grainy!
on Apr 7, 2011 at 9:55:46 am

1: Your raw images already have grain and your image processing is just enhancing the grain (perceived by the codecs as detail). Converting to jpg for import into AE is going to reduce color information to 8-bit. For a shot like this I'd expect it would not be an issue; just make sure to use a very high quality export. However with a problem file, I would use a format like openexr to store all of the color information.

2: Don't export a jpg sequence. If you must at least export with a high quality export; this looks like 50-60% quality. Better to export with a lossless image sequence like png or tiff, or use an actual video codec.

3: Resize the image in photoshop, rather than in AE. Photoshop probably has a better image reducing algorithm than AE. It at least has more algorithms to choose from, one specifically for reduction.

4: Apply a noise reduction filter either in AE or photoshop before resizing and exporting.

Cory

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Matthew Pendergast
Re: AE turning my stills grainy!
on Apr 7, 2011 at 7:13:00 pm

Thanks Cory,

That does clear some stuff up. Converting a RAW to PNG in Photoshop, then bringing in to AE and exporting an Animation codec seems to keep quality pretty high. Still, in my Composition window in AE, the converted (png) image looks incredibly pixelated and grainy. Sure, it doesn't seem to be affecting final output, but is there anything I can tweak on my settings to change this? Maybe it's just a mental thing, but it's driving me a bit crazy.

Also, no experience with openexr format. I'll search around for tips on that, but what do you usually use that for? Is it just a simple download/install?

Thanks again!
Matthew


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Dave LaRonde
Re: AE turning my stills grainy!
on Apr 7, 2011 at 7:56:53 pm

Are you working in 8, 16 or 32 bits in AE? Check it out.

Dave LaRonde
Sr. Promotion Producer
KCRG-TV (ABC) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Matthew Pendergast
Re: AE turning my stills grainy!
on Apr 7, 2011 at 11:56:30 pm

Hi Dave,

8 bits, RGB.

Thanks,
Matthew


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Dave LaRonde
Re: AE turning my stills grainy!
on Apr 8, 2011 at 3:07:28 pm

Fool around with various bit depths and see what happens. You can render a 32-bit project to an 8-bit codec, y'know.

Dave LaRonde
Sr. Promotion Producer
KCRG-TV (ABC) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Matthew Pendergast
Re: AE turning my stills grainy!
on Apr 8, 2011 at 5:05:09 pm

Not much changes on that front, Dave.

I did find that changing the comp settings to 1920x1080 and then scaling down the image actually did a lot to decrease grain. This is not my final output dimensions, but it's interesting to note that shrinking the image really does make it look better in AE - way better than how it looks at 100% (i.e. when dropping the image onto the new comp button to match its dimensions/settings). I'm coming to accept that I might just have to deal with the grain during design sometimes.

Thanks for all the suggestions!
Matthew


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Cory Petkovsek
Re: AE turning my stills grainy!
on Apr 9, 2011 at 7:56:21 am

Your raw camera file is 12-14 bit. If you export from photoshop to png or jpg you are throwing away 4-6 binary orders of magnitude of color information. It then does not matter as far as this picture is concerned whether you are in 8, 16 or 32 workspace in AE. When a system reduces color information it usually either bands or dithers; the latter is probably what you are seeing.

As I said, export the image with OpenEXR from photoshop to AE to retain all the color information. That is a 16-bit format. Then in AE work in 16 or 32 bit.

My CS5 photoshop loads openexr without needing plugins; but even if it does, it's free. You don't need any special experience, just the will to follow our advice.

Cory

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Cory Petkovsek
Corporate Video


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Sean Hattingh
Re: AE turning my stills grainy!
on Feb 4, 2017 at 11:44:36 am

Hi Cory! I've just recently come up with the same issue and I've followed your tip of exporting to openEXR, and unfortunately the grain still appears in AE.


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Josh Chaffey
Re: AE turning my stills grainy!
on Apr 28, 2017 at 1:33:36 pm

Hey Sean, hey Cory (if you're still floating around out there0,

Have the exact same problem and it's been driving me nuts. See below:


1:1 resolution comparison of a RAW export. (just the top corner of a 36MP photo from a Nikon D800)
LHS is a JPEG out of Lightroom.
RHS is the same frame in a ProRes 422 HQ video exported at the native resolution of the sensor straight from After Effects.

I thought Dave LaRonde was onto something when he mentioned playing with the project bit depth as I had never changed mine from the default (which of course is just 8bpc) however no amount of purging cache, creating new sessions or whatever seems to affect the outcome.

Interestingly images seem to preview OK in Camera RAW during the initial import, however as soon as the sequence is dropped onto a composition the preview is awful and the fine grain carries through to the final export just as Cory's initial post did. 😞


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