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Jonathan Smith
doing "cloning" in h.264
on Jul 2, 2015 at 10:05:18 am

I'm sorry if I come off as extremely ignorant of the vf/x process but I was wondering about doing some "cloning" of actors and filming/adding them into a scene filmed with a Canon DSLR in the 1080p 24fps h.264 format. Am I asking for trouble or difficulties in achieving a seamless or professional look?

Also is the h.264 format decent enough for CGI/software work or should I look to another format?

Thank you.


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Dave LaRonde
Re: doing "cloning" in h.264
on Jul 2, 2015 at 3:28:19 pm

Canon cameras have excellent sensors in them. Unfortunately, the recording process eliminates much of the sensor's wealth of image information.
The result is an image that's good enough to fool the human eye, but not a computer.
I wouldn't use H.264 for effects work -- it throws away 3/4 of an image's color information as it records, and it cant be retrieved.
Among lower-priced cameras, I would seek out those that record in AVC Intra, JPEG 2000, ProRes 422 or even DVCPro HD.

Dave LaRonde
Promotion Producer
KGAN (CBS) & KFXA (Fox) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Warren Eig
Re: doing "cloning" in h.264
on Jul 2, 2015 at 3:34:56 pm

Which Canon DSLR? If it supports Magiclantern, I'd recommend installing the firmware. I use it all the time and shooting RAW DNG. You end up with RAW files in 14bit 444 color space.

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Jonathan Smith
Re: doing "cloning" in h.264
on Jul 2, 2015 at 5:53:53 pm

Canon 60D's. Is shooting RAW files in 14bit 444 color space a bit experimental? I'm starting a big project (to me), I'd be editing in Sony Vegas 11, etc..

Maybe just sell my Canon's and rent a BMC 4K, or 2.5K?

Thanks for responses, guys.


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Dave LaRonde
Re: doing "cloning" in h.264
on Jul 2, 2015 at 6:12:57 pm

I think it's great that you're asking these questions now. Usually people here ask how to salvage shots for a big project taken with a lousy camera.

Since you're the one who raised the issue of effects work, what sorts of effects work did you have in mind?

Dave LaRonde
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Jonathan Smith
Re: doing "cloning" in h.264
on Jul 2, 2015 at 6:38:02 pm

Some creating crowd scenes with individual actors, wire removal, light compositing, etc..

I don't know what I'm doing, haha!


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Dave LaRonde
Re: doing "cloning" in h.264
on Jul 2, 2015 at 9:41:20 pm

It sounds like the Good Mr. Eig has had success with his rig. And it sounds pretty cheap. That's a good starting point... IF you follow his recommendations.

Remember, DSLR's suck at recording audio. You'll need an external recorder.

Dave LaRonde
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Warren Eig
Re: doing "cloning" in h.264
on Jul 3, 2015 at 4:18:33 pm

Yes, David is correct, shoot double system for sound. This is mostly true of all cameras. Dedicated audio hardware is usually better.

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Walter Soyka
Re: doing "cloning" in h.264
on Jul 3, 2015 at 2:36:06 am

[Jonathan Smith] "Some creating crowd scenes with individual actors, wire removal, light compositing, etc.. I don't know what I'm doing, haha!"

You'll be doing this with green screen, right?

Can you schedule a test shoot? You'll spend a little, but you'll learn a lot. That will hopefully save a lot of time, energy and frustration on the actual production.

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Warren Eig
Re: doing "cloning" in h.264
on Jul 2, 2015 at 6:30:00 pm

It's not experimental with the 5D mark III.

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