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Ryan HannebaumRender time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 11, 2014 at 4:51:51 pm

OK, here are the specs I'm working with first off:

My machine:
MacBook Pro
2.6 GHz Intel Core i7
16 GB 1333 MHz DDR3 RAM

The Disk Cache:
LaCie USB3 External SSD (200 GB allocated for cache)

Details about my AE project:
AE version: CS6
7 minutes duration
1920 x 1080 (1080p) resolution
Classic 3D environment
17 light layers
5 cameras
All other layers are either shapes, solids, pictures, or pre-comps

OK, so I pre-rendered the portion of my comp that used a complex expression to slow down and speed up rotation, so that should have helped overall render times greatly.

I also moved my entire project (all comps and nested comps) to Classic 3D, mocking extrusion with 6 flat planes where necessary.

When I went to render my main comp it said it would take 854 hours. How on earth?

What am I doing wrong? What configuration settings should I key in on? Shouldn't Classic 3D be much faster to render than Ray-traced?

My project is coming due, so please please help! Thank you.


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Todd KoprivaRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 11, 2014 at 5:08:31 pm

You have already gotten some help here:
http://forums.adobe.com/message/6109656

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Ryan HannebaumRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 11, 2014 at 5:10:26 pm

Todd, see my screenshot above. The help I received in that thread, to date, has increased my render time exponentially. That's why I'm following up.

There MUST be a quicker way (under 48 hours) to render a 7-minute long movie that isn't even Ray-traced.


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Ryan HannebaumRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 11, 2014 at 5:08:49 pm

Sigh, here is a screenshot of my render queue. 1034 hours for a JPEG Sequence?!



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Walter SoykaRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 11, 2014 at 5:40:03 pm

6 minutes a frame, 17 lights and 5 cameras? How many layers do you have in there?

Are you sure that none of your precomps are still set to ray-tracing?

What are your memory and multiprocessing settings?

Walter Soyka
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Ryan HannebaumRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 11, 2014 at 5:50:08 pm

Here are my settings:



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Walter SoykaRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 11, 2014 at 5:56:24 pm

With 12 GB available to Ae and 3 GB per background process allocated, I'd expect to see 3 or ideally 4 background processes running, not 2. You should close other open apps and maybe reboot the machine.

You may consider lowering that memory allocation slightly. 2 or 2.5 GB per core may allow you to run more rendering processes unless you have high RAM needs for them.

Walter Soyka
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Ryan HannebaumRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 11, 2014 at 6:03:58 pm

Help me out when you say memory allocation...what exactly would you set the above settings to, in your experience? Thanks.


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Walter SoykaRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 11, 2014 at 6:07:16 pm

[Ryan Hannebaum] "Help me out when you say memory allocation...what exactly would you set the above settings to, in your experience? Thanks."

This depends on the comp. I'd try 2 GB and see if it works. If the RAM requirements of the comp are too high for your settings and available resources, multiprocessing will fail and the system will revert to foreground rendering.

Check Activity Monitor. What does CPU and memory usage look like during render now?

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Ryan HannebaumRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 11, 2014 at 6:49:22 pm

Ugh. So I tried rendering to a PNG Sequence, and look what happens:

Here is my CPU usage:



And here is the render queue:



That's ridiculous! I'm trying to follow everyone's advice, render as an image sequence in AE and import to Premiere for better rendering, but something MUST be amiss with my AE configuration or project workflow. But I don't even know where to begin on troubleshooting.


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Walter SoykaRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 11, 2014 at 7:02:11 pm

If you set the viewer to full quality, how long does it take Ae to render a frame when you advance the CTI in your main comp?

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Ryan HannebaumRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 11, 2014 at 7:11:24 pm

7 minutes and counting (still not done, still have the yellow barber pole progress bar).


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Walter SoykaRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 11, 2014 at 7:24:30 pm

[Ryan Hannebaum] "7 minutes and counting (still not done, still have the yellow barber pole progress bar)."

How did you get anything done while you were working?

A few possible render hogs:
  • Ray-tracing
  • 3D
  • Depth of field
  • Motion blur
  • Time-based effects
  • Expressions
  • CPU-intensive effects
  • Disk-bound footage


If you can share a piece of the project, maybe one of us could take a look and offer an opinion.

Walter Soyka
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Ryan HannebaumRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 11, 2014 at 7:28:16 pm

[Walter Soyka] "How did you get anything done while you were working?"

Now you see my problem. :) What would be beneficial, a screenshot of the layer stack, or the actual preview pane?

I do have quite a few wiggle() expressions and some motion blur. No Ray-traced though.


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Walter SoykaRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 11, 2014 at 7:36:22 pm

May I suggest you turn off a whole bunch of layers so that the comp viewer renders are fast, then add them back in one at a time, trying to find the ones that are slowing you down the most? Then we can take a look at what's unique about those slow-to-render layers.

Of course, if you just have a zillion layers, it could just simply be that that's how long it takes to render.

Walter Soyka
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Ryan HannebaumRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 11, 2014 at 7:50:08 pm

[Walter Soyka] "May I suggest you turn off a whole bunch of layers so that the comp viewer renders are fast, then add them back in one at a time, trying to find the ones that are slowing you down the most? Then we can take a look at what's unique about those slow-to-render layers."

OK, I think the long pole in the tent is a collection of 9 point lights that were along a railing on the back wall of my 3D space. When I turned them off, the preview pane rendered a full-quality frame in 28 seconds.

Obviously a huge improvement over 10+ minutes, but 28 seconds per frame with 10,405 frames is still ~81 hours, which is still too long a render time for me to live with, for a 7-minute-long video.

Thoughts?


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Walter SoykaRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 11, 2014 at 8:01:05 pm

[Ryan Hannebaum] "Obviously a huge improvement over 10+ minutes, but 28 seconds per frame with 10,405 frames is still ~81 hours, which is still too long a render time for me to live with, for a 7-minute-long video. Thoughts?"

28 seconds per frame is not necessarily unreasonable for laptop rendering a 3D scene. For a little context, some C4D projects I've worked on have had render times of 30 minutes per frame on fast 12-core workstations. I generally count myself happy for 10-15 minutes per frame for 3D work.

That said, what else can you simplify in the comp? If you're working at 1080p, can you work at 720p instead? If you're doing "fake" classic 3D extrusions by stacking multiple layers, can you reduce the number you're using? Are there any relatively static lighting looks that you can fake with a gradient applied to the surface?

Walter Soyka
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Ryan HannebaumRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 11, 2014 at 8:51:24 pm

[Walter Soyka] "If you're working at 1080p, can you work at 720p instead?"

Is there a good way to reduce the project to 720p without worrying about some layers getting screwed up, size- or position-wise? Is it as simple as changing the Composition Setting?


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Walter SoykaRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 11, 2014 at 8:55:25 pm

[Ryan Hannebaum] "Is there a good way to reduce the project to 720p without worrying about some layers getting screwed up, size- or position-wise? Is it as simple as changing the Composition Setting?"

Scripts > Scale Composition.jsx

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Ryan HannebaumRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 11, 2014 at 9:19:26 pm

[Walter Soyka] "Scripts > Scale Composition.jsx"

Thanks!! I didn't even know AE came with scripts.

Random aside while I have you here and it looks like my comp is rendering much faster; when I add a Fast Blur to one of my nested pre-comps, it moves it inappropriately in Z-space in front of another layer in my main comp.

Example...

Without a duplicate layer with Fast Blur (the blue cog layer is appropriately behind the black screen):



With a duplicate layer with Fast Blur:



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Walter SoykaRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 11, 2014 at 9:43:48 pm

[Ryan Hannebaum] "Random aside while I have you here and it looks like my comp is rendering much faster; when I add a Fast Blur to one of my nested pre-comps, it moves it inappropriately in Z-space in front of another layer in my main comp."

Here's the list of things that break 3D intersections:

3D layer interactions, render order, and collapsed transformations [link]

If you want to apply an effect to the layer, you cannot also collapse transformations without breaking the render order.

Walter Soyka
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Ryan HannebaumRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 11, 2014 at 9:58:32 pm

[Walter Soyka] "If you want to apply an effect to the layer, you cannot also collapse transformations without breaking the render order."

Oh, OK, thanks. How about using an adjustment layer with fast blur at the top of the stack within the nested comp? Or would that adjustment layer then perpetuate through the parent (main) comp as well?


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Ryan HannebaumRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 12, 2014 at 5:55:34 pm

[Walter Soyka] "If you want to apply an effect to the layer, you cannot also collapse transformations without breaking the render order."

So if I wanted to duplicate a nested comp to apply a Fast Blur for a glow effect, how would I do that without breaking the 3D depth appearance? I'm struggling with it. I can either get the effect right but lose 3D depth, or not get the effect to mimic correctly...


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Walter SoykaRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 12, 2014 at 6:02:19 pm

[Ryan Hannebaum] "So if I wanted to duplicate a nested comp to apply a Fast Blur for a glow effect, how would I do that without breaking the 3D depth appearance? I'm struggling with it. I can either get the effect right but lose 3D depth, or not get the effect to mimic correctly..."

Apply Fast Blur to each layer within the precomp individually, not to the precomp layer itself.

Walter Soyka
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Ryan HannebaumRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 12, 2014 at 6:04:47 pm

[Walter Soyka] "Apply Fast Blur to each layer within the precomp individually, not to the precomp layer itself."

Nasty, but OK. :) On a related note then, is there a quick way to edit the properties of an effect for multiple layers at once? Selecting them all and then editing the property for one of the selected layers is not propagating to the other selected layers.


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Walter SoykaRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 12, 2014 at 6:47:16 pm

[Ryan Hannebaum] "Nasty, but OK. :) On a related note then, is there a quick way to edit the properties of an effect for multiple layers at once? Selecting them all and then editing the property for one of the selected layers is not propagating to the other selected layers."

If you're using After Effects CC, you can select the effect and Edit > Copy with Property Links, then paste it wherever you need, however many times you want.

If you're using a previous version, you can do this yourself with a little pickwhipping, or you can use pt_EffectSearch [link].

Walter Soyka
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Ryan HannebaumRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 12, 2014 at 7:21:59 pm

Sadly, I'm using CS6, and don't really feel like pick-whipping nearly a hundred layers. ;) Thanks though!


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Walter SoykaRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 12, 2014 at 7:23:06 pm

[Ryan Hannebaum] "Sadly, I'm using CS6, and don't really feel like pick-whipping nearly a hundred layers. ;) Thanks though!"

You only have to do it once, then you can copy and paste the effect that has the expressions.

Otherwise, pt_EffectSearch is for you.

Walter Soyka
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Ryan HannebaumRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 11, 2014 at 5:51:38 pm

Here are my 3D settings:



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Walter SoykaRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 11, 2014 at 5:57:11 pm

Are you sure that every single precomp is also Classic 3D? If you have a few layers of a ray-traced 3D precomp in there somewhere, I'd expect to see longer per-frame render times.

Walter Soyka
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Walter SoykaRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 11, 2014 at 5:44:19 pm

Also, I see you've only rendered a single frame so far. With multiprocessing enabled, it can take some time to start the background processes and load the project -- a lot of time if the project file is big.

As a result of this initial delay, the early completion time estimate can be way, way off. If 5:30 of that 6:00 was starting up the background processes, your actual render time may not be that bad. Does the render speed pick up any after the first few frames?

Walter Soyka
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Ryan HannebaumRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 11, 2014 at 5:45:40 pm

No, the render time got worse 3 frames in.


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EricBowenRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 11, 2014 at 7:46:53 pm
Last Edited By EricBowen on Feb 11, 2014 at 7:48:11 pm

Time sensitive AE comps should not be rendered on a MBP or any laptop. They don't have near the processing power of a workstation. Does your company not have a dedicated render station for these? If not they need a serious review of their tech investment.

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Ryan HannebaumRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 11, 2014 at 7:51:17 pm

[EricBowen] "Does your company not have a dedicated render station for these? If not they need a serious review of their tech investment."

I don't work at a professional video editing shop. I'm sort of a maverick in my role within a large company which is not focused on video production.


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EricBowenRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 11, 2014 at 8:52:37 pm
Last Edited By EricBowen on Feb 11, 2014 at 8:59:19 pm

Then you need to have a serious heart to heart with them and explain either the deadlines come off or they invest in the right tech to handle AE renders in the time frame they expect. They are not getting both in a MBP or any laptop. I have a 1 min comp that takes 1.5 hours to render on Dual 12 Core Xeons ie 48 threads. That kind of processing doesn't get done on a laptop. BTW you are going to thermal damage that CPU in the MBP rendering for over a day at a time long term. The cooling in those is not meant to handle that kind of energy generation long term.

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Ryan HannebaumRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 11, 2014 at 10:09:32 pm

[EricBowen] "That kind of processing doesn't get done on a laptop."

Good to know, thanks. Would the following be an appropriate machine for this?

Mac Pro
3.5GHz 6-core with 12MB of L3 cache
16GB (4x4GB) of 1866MHz DDR3 ECC
512GB PCIe-based flash storage
Dual AMD FirePro D700 GPUs with 6GB of GDDR5 VRAM each
Apple Mouse
Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad - English (USA)
User's Guide (English)
Apple Thunderbolt Display (27-inch)


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EricBowenRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 11, 2014 at 10:27:33 pm

Preferably the 8 Core or higher and atleast 32 GB of ram whether you get the 6 or 8. Unfortunately the nMPro config is not really good for AE or other similar applications because those 2 GPU's don't help at all. It would be far better with 2 CPU modules and only 1 GPU. So half of the system you are paying for means nothing to any performance gains. AE is really best on a PC at this point until the nMPro changes if it ever does.

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Ryan HannebaumRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 11, 2014 at 10:37:09 pm

[EricBowen] "AE is really best on a PC at this point"

What?! I refuse to acknowledge that Windows is better at anything in the creative world at this point in time. :)


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EricBowenRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 11, 2014 at 10:42:48 pm
Last Edited By EricBowen on Feb 11, 2014 at 10:52:08 pm

Unfortunately Windows and OSX have the same performance. So hardware decides the performance differences and those 2 GPU's make 0 performance gain with AE where as 2 CPU's mean a significant performance difference. Cant get 2 CPU's on the nMPro so PC has the advantage. There is nothing OSX brings to the table that gives it any advantage to the Creative Market.

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Dave LaRondeRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 12, 2014 at 1:02:50 am

The thing that jumps out at me is SEVENTEEN LIGHT LAYERS. Yipes! If your other 3D layers are set to accept lights and shadows and cast shadows, your machine has a LOT of thinking to do, even if it's brand-new.

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Ryan HannebaumRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 12, 2014 at 3:44:13 pm

[Dave LaRonde] "SEVENTEEN LIGHT LAYERS. Yipes!"

You're right. :) But I now only have 4 persistent light layers with one extra one that is periodically turned on. I eliminated the rest, either altogether or by replacing with fuzzy white solids to mimic the effect.


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Ryan HannebaumRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 12, 2014 at 3:44:56 pm

Eric, what about the following (understanding a PC is not an option for my company)?

3.5GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 3.9GHz
8GB 1600MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2X4GB
512GB Flash Storage
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M 4GB GDDR5
With 32 gig ram instead.


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EricBowenRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 12, 2014 at 4:13:48 pm

That IMac would handle the rendering better than the MBP and the cooling would hold up better. Render times are still going to be over twice as long as they would be on a 8 Core. Just keep that in mind when planning deadlines. That same project I spoke of that takes 1.5 hours on a Dual 12 Core Xeon system takes well over 4 to 5 hours on a Quad Desktop and it's only a min long comp.

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Ryan HannebaumRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 12, 2014 at 5:57:05 pm

[EricBowen] "That IMac would handle the rendering better than the MBP and the cooling would hold up better. Render times are still going to be over twice as long as they would be on a 8 Core. Just keep that in mind when planning deadlines. That same project I spoke of that takes 1.5 hours on a Dual 12 Core Xeon system takes well over 4 to 5 hours on a Quad Desktop and it's only a min long comp."

OK....of the two spec sets I presented you, which would you recommend if you were forced to?


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EricBowenRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 12, 2014 at 6:18:41 pm

The Imac is better money spent because your not wasting money on what is not being used if this is primarily AE render. If you will edit on the system as well then the nMPro is the best performing choice and what I would get if I had to get a Mac and needed the most performance headroom for workflow and ram preview.

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Ryan HannebaumRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 12, 2014 at 6:42:20 pm

[EricBowen] "The Imac is better money spent because your not wasting money on what is not being used if this is primarily AE render. If you will edit on the system as well then the nMPro is the best performing choice and what I would get if I had to get a Mac and needed the most performance headroom for workflow and ram preview."

So since I already have the aforementioned 16 gig RAM MBP for editing, you'd suggest going with the iMac as a renderer though?


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Dave LaRondeRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 12, 2014 at 6:46:30 pm

I'd trick the iMac out with as much memory as possible and do my Ae work on it. It'll be a darned sight better than a laptop. Any laptop.

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Ryan HannebaumRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 12, 2014 at 7:54:28 pm

[Dave LaRonde] "I'd trick the iMac out with as much memory as possible and do my Ae work on it. It'll be a darned sight better than a laptop. Any laptop."

...But not portable, which would be a pretty big drawback to me in my line of work.

I'll have to consider it an option though at this rate, thanks!


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Darby EdelenRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 13, 2014 at 6:57:39 am

[Ryan Hannebaum] "...But not portable, which would be a pretty big drawback to me in my line of work.

I'll have to consider it an option though at this rate, thanks!"


Honestly 75% of the time I use my laptop as a client to VNC into my workstation rather than actually working on the laptop.

Someday in the not-to-distant future I imagine I'll be doing it with a tablet instead :)

Why aren't PCs an option for you? After 20 years on the Mac I don't regret jumping ship to my HP workstation at all.

Darby Edelen


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Ryan HannebaumRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 13, 2014 at 3:40:19 pm

[Darby Edelen] "Why aren't PCs an option for you?"

My department is exclusively Mac, so I don't have a say. Though even if I did have a say, I'd probably stick with Mac. Video editing isn't the only thing I do for my job, and after 14 years on PCs, I've never looked back after switching to Mac 6 years ago. :)


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EricBowenRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 13, 2014 at 4:06:18 pm

Just understand there is a performance loss with applications such as AE with the options Mac has right now. That translates into paying more for less.

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Ryan HannebaumRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 13, 2014 at 4:23:53 pm

[EricBowen] "Just understand there is a performance loss with applications such as AE with the options Mac has right now. That translates into paying more for less."

I understand, but I don't hold the purse strings or sign the deals with our hardware partners, so that's really a moot point for me. And again, AE is only a fraction of what I do in my current role. And I personally find the other Adobe applications run much smoother on Mac than they do on PC, but I don't have technical specs to back that up.


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EricBowenRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 13, 2014 at 4:38:07 pm

Adobe definitely doesn't run smoother on OSX 10.9 than Windows right now. The bug/problem threads alone in the forums is enough to show that.

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Ryan HannebaumRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 13, 2014 at 4:50:32 pm

[EricBowen] "Adobe definitely doesn't run smoother on OSX 10.9 than Windows right now. The bug/problem threads alone in the forums is enough to show that."

OSX 10.8 ;)


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EricBowenRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 13, 2014 at 5:28:08 pm

Cant do that on a new Imac I don't believe.

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Ryan HannebaumRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 13, 2014 at 6:18:59 pm

[EricBowen] "Cant do that on a new Imac I don't believe."

That's unfortunate.


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Darby EdelenRe: nder time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 14, 2014 at 3:55:41 am

I do still like the Unix underpinnings of OS X but I absolutely hate all of the new consumer facing features. The App store, for example. It's the iOS-ification of the OS that bothers me.

Darby Edelen


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Ryan HannebaumRe: nder time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 14, 2014 at 4:22:18 pm

[Darby Edelen] "I do still like the Unix underpinnings of OS X but I absolutely hate all of the new consumer facing features. The App store, for example. It's the iOS-ification of the OS that bothers me."

All part of the slow but inevitable march toward a tablet-centric world, my friend.


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EricBowenRe: nder time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 17, 2014 at 5:42:49 pm

Unfortunately the more that becomes the case the less performance available for the media content creation market with the standard OEM/s platforms. This is at the same time Codecs, applications, and GPU acceleration is pushing the required system specs far higher than they ever were. This is going to collide very soon with market expectations and deadlines. That is why the PC is vastly becoming the option and that will only increase as this becomes the case. As Windows progress's the same path then Linux will have to adapt to the new market as will the Product companies.

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EricBowenRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 12, 2014 at 8:02:19 pm
Last Edited By EricBowen on Feb 12, 2014 at 8:03:27 pm

If Money is the primary deciding factor and I want the best option for the money spent then yes the Imac would be the choice in the Mac lineup. If you want the best performance with the budget you have and has to be a Mac then the 6 or 8 nMpro will give the best performance but at a much higher price for the performance gained.

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Ryan HannebaumRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 28, 2014 at 5:23:30 pm
Last Edited By Ryan Hannebaum on Feb 28, 2014 at 5:43:09 pm

OK, here is what I've been approved for. PLEASE tell me this will significantly improve my performance and reduce render times relative to my MacBook Pro......

3.5GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 3.9GHz
8GB 1600MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2X4GB [ *** will upgrade after delivery *** ]
1TB Flash Storage
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M 4GB GDDR5


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Walter SoykaRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 28, 2014 at 5:30:54 pm

[Ryan Hannebaum] "8GB 1600MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2X4GB"

You want more RAM. Sticking with this minimum configuration will hamstring this machine for Ae. In my opinion, to the point where it wouldn't be worth buying.

16GB would be better, but maxing the machine out at 32 GB would be better still.

Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
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Ryan HannebaumRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 28, 2014 at 5:41:52 pm

[Walter Soyka] "You want more RAM."

Sorry, forgot to mention that I will be upgrading the RAM after purchasing the machine (company can get RAM cheaper elsewhere than Apple!).

So assuming I upgrade the RAM significantly, you approve of the configuration?


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Walter SoykaRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 28, 2014 at 6:00:59 pm

[Ryan Hannebaum] "So assuming I upgrade the RAM significantly, you approve of the configuration?"

An iMac would not be my first choice, but given the constraints you've mentioned I think it's reasonable.

Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
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Ryan HannebaumRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 28, 2014 at 6:14:34 pm

[Walter Soyka] "An iMac would not be my first choice, but given the constraints you've mentioned I think it's reasonable."

Thanks. So I'll see render times shrink? ;)


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Walter SoykaRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 28, 2014 at 6:25:02 pm

[Ryan Hannebaum] "Thanks. So I'll see render times shrink? ;)"

Barefeats.com usually runs an Ae benchmark as part of their testing. You might dig around the site to get a better idea of what to expect.

Walter Soyka
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Ryan HannebaumRe: Render time is extremely excessive
by on Feb 28, 2014 at 6:41:39 pm

Thanks for the link. They need to hire a user experience designer to overhaul that site though, yikes. :)


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