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Jamie Dannatt
After Effects
on Jan 15, 2014 at 11:03:52 am

Hi everyone, doing research about after effects. What do you think are the benefits of after effects compared to other systems?


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Chris Evans
Re: After Effects
on Jan 15, 2014 at 3:14:36 pm

I've never really used anything else, but my understanding is that if you are only using AE as a Compositor for really heavy effects, there are better programs out there (albeit more expensive) like Nuke and Flame. But you can do everything in AE that you can in those, it just takes longer sometimes. What After Effects excels at is motion graphics.

That's the extremely quick version of a massive debate according to my understanding.


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John Cuevas
Re: After Effects
on Jan 15, 2014 at 3:18:07 pm

It's not the easiest program to learn, but has massive training resources available. Integration with other adobe products & Cinema4D is great, huge benefit. On the downside, I'm not a fan of Creative Cloud, but that's a whole different can of worms.

Johnny Cuevas, Editor
Thinkck.com

"I have not failed 700 times. I have succeeded in proving that those 700 ways will not work. When I have eliminated the ways that will not work, I will find the way that will work."
---THOMAS EDISON on inventing the light bulb.


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Gary Milligan
Re: After Effects
on Jan 15, 2014 at 4:44:01 pm

What kind of work do you plan to do? What "other systems" have you looked at?


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Jamie Dannatt
Re: After Effects
on Jan 15, 2014 at 5:15:31 pm

Hi Gary,
I'm currently a student currently writing a dissertation for my BA course in Digital Media. I have been looking into programs such as Nuke, Quantel, Da Vinci and other software that are used in motion graphics and visual effects.

Thanks.


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Walter Soyka
Re: After Effects
on Jan 15, 2014 at 4:47:30 pm

[Jamie Dannatt] "Hi everyone, doing research about after effects. What do you think are the benefits of after effects compared to other systems?"

Jamie, is this work or for school?

If it's for work, can I ask what you do?

If it's for school, can you explain to me how this works? I've seen a few questions for school similar to yours in the last couple years, and for the sake of your education, when I answer a question like this I want to make sure I'm actually doing you a service. We didn't interview Internet forums for research because we were too busy walking to school in the snow, uphill both ways...

So how do you use the answers you get here? Is this meant to be the starting point for more research, or the end point? If it's the end, what have you found out so far? Do you have more specific questions that we can help you with?

My vague answer is that there's a big difference between how Ae works and how the other compositors that Chris mentioned work, and that the specific benefits of Ae vs other systems come from this difference.

I'll answer your question in much more detail after you answer mine.

Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
RenderBreak Blog - What I'm thinking when my workstation's thinking
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Jamie Dannatt
Re: After Effects
on Jan 15, 2014 at 6:21:45 pm
Last Edited By Jamie Dannatt on Jan 15, 2014 at 6:50:14 pm

Hi Walter,

Yeah I'm a student currently doing a BA in Digital Media, with my specialisation being motion graphics and visual effects.

I would say it's a starting point for more research. Although I have done quite a bit of research already into various programs through their websites, videos of conferences, and some forums, I haven't directly asked many opinions yet of users and so on.

So from what you've mentioned, would you say that the big difference is mostly in the user experience, the user interface, or in the capabilities of the software? And if a mixture of both, why?

Thanks for your response.


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Tero Ahlfors
Re: After Effects
on Jan 16, 2014 at 4:37:02 am

[Jamie Dannatt] "So from what you've mentioned, would you say that the big difference is mostly in the user experience, the user interface, or in the capabilities of the software?"

There is also the classic point about cost. Whereas you could easily get AE yourself, there probably is no damn way you'd buy a Quantel iQ/Pablo or a Flame because of the semi-insane prices of those.

I've used AE, Quantel iQ and Smoke/Flame 2012 and there really isn't a huge performance gap between these. iQ is a great online tool, but not so great tool for just effects and compositing. Flame is really nice when it comes to media management and node based compositing and it's fairly easy to learn if you know the basics. Smoke is goddamn terrible for editing but it has basically the same tools as Flame.


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Joseph W. Bourke
Re: After Effects
on Jan 15, 2014 at 5:23:17 pm

I have experience using both Combustion (I was also a beta tester for both V1 and V2) and After Effects, although Combustion was my first experience with compositing software, and Combustion is no longer sold, although never officially EOL'd either.

Combustion had a somewhat confusing interface, and it took a couple of weeks for the "light to go on", and once I realized the power there, I quickly got experienced with it. At the time, Combustion was far superior to After Effects in terms of the keyer, motion tracker, and rotoscoping capabilities. It also had the ability to keep a RAM render playing live while you made changes to plugins and settings, something After Effects has yet to achieve (although I've requested it for years).

On first look, After Effects' GUI was very confusing, so I'm probably safe to say that, because of the many features and capabilities of any compositing package, it's going to take a while to get it, purely from the standpoint of navigating the interface, and learning the iconography.

Although there is no longer a version of Combustion, Autodesk, who bought Discreet Logic, is now bundling a version of Autodesk Composite, a node based compositor, with their 3D packages, and it is no doubt based on Combustion:

http://download.autodesk.com/us/maya/2014help-composite/index.html

I got a copy with my 3DS Max 2011 package, installed it, and have never given it a fair chance in terms of trying it out. Maybe others here have. As others have said here, Nuke and Shake seem to be the "big boys" in terms of price and ability, yet After Effects can keep right up with them, although the workflow is different.

As Walter suggested above, it would be very helpful to know what you're getting at with this question, since there are so many possible answers, none of them wrong. The benefit to me, having now used After Effects exclusively for well over 10 years, is its' ability to do just about everything I need, given that it will take many useful third party plugins, has expressions capability, and allows for the use of scripts.

Joe Bourke
Owner/Creative Director
Bourke Media
http://www.bourkemedia.com


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Jamie Dannatt
Re: After Effects
on Jan 15, 2014 at 7:02:29 pm

Hi Joseph,

I'm a student asking these questions for a Dissertation for my BA course in Digital Media Design. My teacher recommended I ask the opinions of people in the industry.

I'm not great at asking questions of people, so I apologise if what I ask doesn't make sense.

Thanks for your response.


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Joseph W. Bourke
Re: After Effects
on Jan 16, 2014 at 2:49:24 am

No apologies necessary...that's part of what an education is all about: learning to ask the right questions.

Joe Bourke
Owner/Creative Director
Bourke Media
http://www.bourkemedia.com


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Mario League
Re: After Effects
on Mar 21, 2017 at 12:04:33 am

Hi guys, Im searching online for a copy of the old Combustion 2008 for mac.... anyone have it? please I need a copy.
Let me know
Thanks


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