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James Huenergardt
Cineware strangeness???
on Oct 24, 2013 at 4:43:06 pm

OK, so I've been playing around with C4D and AE using Cineware.

Try this. Go into AE and create a new C4D file.
Make it 1920 x 1080 and 24fps.
Make it 100 frames long.
Create a cube.
Move the cube to the LH edge of the frame.
Set a keyframe at frame 0.
Now, move to frame 100.
Move the cube to the RH edge of the frame.
Set a keframe.
Scrub back and forth to see the animation.
Note that it doesn't reach the edge until frame 100.

Now, go into AE.

Drop the C4D file into a new comp.
If you move the playhead to frame 80, you'll notice the cube is already to the RH edge.

What's up with this???

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Todd Kopriva
Re: Cineware strangeness???
on Oct 24, 2013 at 9:57:28 pm

Sounds like your composition frame rate is different (likely 30fps).

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James Huenergardt
Re: Cineware strangeness???
on Oct 25, 2013 at 12:07:03 am

Nope. They are exactly the same at 24fps. Try it.

I've done it on two different computers now.

There is a bug here.

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Walter Soyka
Re: Cineware strangeness???
on Oct 25, 2013 at 1:23:36 am

It sounds like you've set C4D's output to 24fps (via render settings), but you haven't changed the timebase of the document itself from the default 30.

In C4D, check the document settings (Ctrl-D on a PC, Cmd-D on a Mac) and ensure that the frame rate there is also 24. Changing this will not change your timings, so you'll either have to do this before you begin or select all your keyframes and scale them in the C4D timeline.

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James Huenergardt
Re: Cineware strangeness???
on Oct 25, 2013 at 3:34:40 pm

Walter, thanks.

I wasn't aware of that setting.
In AE, it must reference the 'render' FPS and not the project FPS as it said 24 fps in AE.

That's 'almost' fixed the issues I've been having.

OK, so my C4D project is 72 frames long.
It says so in the Project settings.

Also, when I bring it into AE, in the Project info detail (at the top of the project panel) it says 72 frames or 3-seconds.

However, when I bring it into a COMP, it goes down to 71 frames.

This is an issue I've been having because I'm doing some match moving with an image sequence. I can bring it into C4D and all the frames are there. However, when I eventually bring it into AE and into a COMP, it's missing the last frame.

Any idea?

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Walter Soyka
Re: Cineware strangeness???
on Oct 28, 2013 at 6:22:24 pm

[James Huenergardt] "In AE, it must reference the 'render' FPS and not the project FPS as it said 24 fps in AE."

Right. The "Project" settings in C4D are analogous to the Comp settings in Ae, and the "Output" settings in C4D are analogous to an output module in Ae, where you can override the comp frame rate for render. The separation allows you to work in one timebase and output in another.




[James Huenergardt] "Also, when I bring it into AE, in the Project info detail (at the top of the project panel) it says 72 frames or 3-seconds. However, when I bring it into a COMP, it goes down to 71 frames."

You are not losing a frame, but Ae is counting them differently than you are. 0-71 is 72 frames, because 0 counts. You can change the start time of the comp to 1 in its composition settings, and then instead of 0-71, you'll have 1-72.

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James Huenergardt
Re: Cineware strangeness???
on Nov 6, 2013 at 4:33:18 pm

I kindly 'disagree' on me not losing a frame.
When I go to the end of the C4D project in my COMP, the last frame is NOT there. In C4D it is there, but in AE it's NOT there at all, it's missing. As in visually not there.

I'm not sure I understand, but the C4D project is using the exact same TGA sequence as the AE project, so the number of frames should be exactly the same. In C4D, it is the same, but when I bring the project over via Cineware into AE, it loses the last frame.



You'll notice that the C4D project is only 4:18 while the TGA sequence is 4:19. A missing frame.

What am I still missing here?

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Walter Soyka
Re: Cineware strangeness???
on Nov 6, 2013 at 11:52:35 pm

[James Huenergardt] "I kindly 'disagree' on me not losing a frame."

Thanks for the screen shot. It's clear that I was mistaken with my diagnosis of the problem -- apologies! I'll try to reproduce this.

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James Huenergardt
Re: Cineware strangeness???
on Nov 10, 2013 at 5:26:41 am

OK, just had a conversation with MAXON and it appears this bug has been fixed in AE 12.1. I was running 12.0.

Once I installed the update, it fixed the issue.

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Walter Soyka
Re: Cineware strangeness???
on Nov 11, 2013 at 3:55:15 am

Thanks for writing back in with the solution -- it's very helpful for other users having the same problem.

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John Bolt
Re: Cineware strangeness???
on Jul 18, 2016 at 9:33:02 pm



Ok, So I had the same issue..... I racked my brain for hours... Anyway this is the missing step. Everything is right as rain now! :-)


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