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Kevin CotterillA question about green screen, AE and Premiere Pro. Which comes first?
by on Jun 2, 2013 at 11:33:16 pm

My apologies if this is a stupid question;

I have several scenes that need chroma keying. Do I do my work in Premiere Pro (putting all the scenes together, audio etc etc) FIRST, and then use AE to chroma key?

Or.. do I chroma key the individual scenes, render them (lossless), and THEN use Prem Pro?

Do I need to render anything or can I import Comps/projects etc?

What's the correct process?

Thanks.


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Todd KoprivaRe: A question about green screen, AE and Premiere Pro. Which comes first?
by on Jun 2, 2013 at 11:52:19 pm

I'd recommend editing before compositing so that you don't waste your time on compositing of shots that you're not going to use. But everyone's workflow is different, depending on what makes sense for the individual project.

You can either render out high-quality (losslessly encoded) movies from Premiere Pro for the segments that you need to composite, or you can use Dynamic Link to send items to After Effects from Premiere Pro. Again, it depends on what exactly you're doing. I tend to use intermediate movies, since I tend to work on projects where the editing and compositing are done by different people on different computers.

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Kevin CotterillRe: A question about green screen, AE and Premiere Pro. Which comes first?
by on Jun 3, 2013 at 12:28:18 am

First of all, thank you for taking the time to help me. It's very much appreciated.

Editing before compositing makes sense to me. But, with me still being a learner (I started learning about AE / Prem Pro only a week or so ago), I'm unsure of the practical process involved.

Let's say I put all my segments together in Prem Pro <<< not sure if that's the correct technical terms. Basically I put all my shots together, add the intro, the end, transitions, audio etc. Do I then render the whole thing and composite in AE from that or do I render individual segments, in which case, how? Doesn't Prem Pro merge all the segments together when rendering?

In terms of sending items to After Effects from Premiere Pro using Dynamic links, I haven't experienced / learned that yet :-(

I'm getting there slowly but surely.

Thanks!


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Steve BrameRe: A question about green screen, AE and Premiere Pro. Which comes first?
by on Jun 3, 2013 at 1:41:19 am

Please think about using the quite capable keyer - 'Ultra Key' in PPro, if you're on CS6. Unless you have specific problems with your footage, you might find that you don't even need to take it into AE. Saves LOADS of time.

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Kevin CotterillRe: A question about green screen, AE and Premiere Pro. Which comes first?
by on Jun 3, 2013 at 2:03:12 am

Thanks for the tip Steve.

From what I have been reading and watching online, it appears the consensus is that KeyLight in AE is far superior.

I have Prem Pro CS5 and it does appear that I have Ultra Key.


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Kevin CotterillRe: A question about green screen, AE and Premiere Pro. Which comes first?
by on Jun 3, 2013 at 2:35:20 am

Also, with AE, I really like the way I can create a custom background using a solid layer, and also position my logo on the background. I don't see that option with Prem Pro and I wonder if I would have to create the bg in PS and import it in (I don't know PS).


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Todd KoprivaRe: A question about green screen, AE and Premiere Pro. Which comes first?
by on Jun 3, 2013 at 2:42:53 am

The reason to do keying work in After Effects is not so much that the keyer is better, but because After Effects (being a compositing program) makes it far, far easier to create garbage mattes, create holdout mattes, paint on the alpha channel for touch-ups, and all of the other things that you so often need to do when separating an item from the background. It is almost never a matter of applying one instance of a keying effect and being done with it.

There are some resources about compositing, including keying, here:
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/aftereffects/cs/using/WS5822310e5111fa1a11d362d...

Start here to learn After Effects: http://adobe.ly/bjBT3P

Start here to learn Premiere Pro: http://adobe.ly/psbYc4

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Kevin CotterillRe: A question about green screen, AE and Premiere Pro. Which comes first?
by on Jun 3, 2013 at 3:04:06 am

Thanks Todd


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Kevin CotterillRe: A question about green screen, AE and Premiere Pro. Which comes first?
by on Jun 3, 2013 at 5:42:24 am

I think I figured it out:

1. New Project Prem Pro
2. Edit
3. Import Prem Pro Project into After Effects
4. Edit (chrome key etc)
5. Import AE project back into Prem Pro
6. Render (AME)

That about right?


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Steve BrameRe: A question about green screen, AE and Premiere Pro. Which comes first?
by on Jun 3, 2013 at 12:45:45 pm

Correct...AE is better if you need better matte capability. Hence my comment "Unless you have specific problems with your footage".

While on that subject, you really should take a look at Aharon Rabinowitz's tutorial on creating "Super Tight Junk Mattes". It allows you to create a matte to within 25 pixels of your subject without dropping a single keyframe manually.

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Kevin CotterillRe: A question about green screen, AE and Premiere Pro. Which comes first?
by on Jun 4, 2013 at 12:15:33 am

Awesome tip. Thanks Steve!


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Kevin CotterillRe: A question about green screen, AE and Premiere Pro. Which comes first?
by on Jun 6, 2013 at 4:06:43 am

Whenever I import the AE comp into Prem Pro, I lose all my green screen work.

So my idea was to put the project together using Prem Pro, then export to AE and add my custom bg with keylight. I've tried rendering the AE project using AME but it discards the green screen work. When I import into Prem Pro the same thing happens.

What am I doing wrong?

How do I build my project and green screen with AE without having to use AE to render?


Thanks


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Todd KoprivaRe: A question about green screen, AE and Premiere Pro. Which comes first?
by on Jun 6, 2013 at 10:10:10 pm

Please give exact, step-by-step account of what you are doing. As it is, your description of what you are doing and what the result is is so vague that it's impossible to help.

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Kevin CotterillRe: A question about green screen, AE and Premiere Pro. Which comes first?
by on Jun 6, 2013 at 10:22:23 pm

I think I was drunk when I wrote that. That's the only logical explanation.

I will retrace my steps today and report back in more detail.

Thanks.


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