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Marten KoppMXF and MOV
by on Mar 18, 2012 at 10:46:46 am


Last night I finished a commercial and started to render it. The TV-station minded me the needed a "HD Imx 50mb/sec (1920x1080)" file-format. I had never rendered this type before and after some research on CreativeCow if found out it's actually a MXF kind of file. The preset I used for my render gave this output:

Type: XDCAM-HD 422 Movie
File Size: 185,9 MB
Image Size: 1920 x 1080
Frame Rate: 25,00
Source Audio Format: 48000 Hz - 24 bit - Mono
Project Audio Format: 48000 Hz - 32 bit floating point - Mono
Total Duration: 00:00:26:01
Average Data Rate: 7,1 MB / second
Pixel Aspect Ratio: 1,0

I used to render everything into Quicktime MOV h.264 because I noticed at gave good result with less lossless.

But I also found out the MXF is even better. It might be twice the size but the quality is quite good.

Can anyone explain to me (as a noob in file types) what the difference between these two types is and in what situation you should use the MXF? I already know MXF is the file that comes out of a XDCAM. But that pretty much all I know.

Thanks for any assistance. And if any admin knows a better sub-forum for this question, please move it. I couldn't find it.


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Roland R. KahlenbergRe: MXF and MOV
by on Mar 20, 2012 at 2:15:04 pm

Formats can be segregated into four group-types -
1) acquisition - acquired via camera
2) production - used for post or CG
3) delivery - for final delivery
4) archival - for long-term archival

MXF is ideal for acquisition and delivery. It is not ideal for production since it uses inter-frame compression. Inter-frame compression takes longer to decompress on apps like AE which requires frame-by-frame accuracy due to many of its algorithms requiring sub-pixel information. With inter-frame compression, some frames have to be re-created during decompression and it is this that is the bottle-neck for AE.

MXF is ideal for digital delivery by broadcasters due to its high quality compression algorithm.

MXF is generally found mid-to-high end cameras.

H264 formats are generally found in cheaper cameras and is ideal for lower-end digital delivery mechanisms such as the Web.

That's a quick rundown for you. Lots more info if you search the COW or Google.


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Walter SoykaRe: MXF and MOV
by on Mar 20, 2012 at 2:43:34 pm

Before we talk about video, let's talk about the shipping industry. Gross oversimplification to follow -- see The Box: How the Shipping Container Made the World Smaller and the World Economy Bigger by Marc Levinson for more.

Before the shipping container [link] was standardized, moving stuff by ship, rail, and truck was a serious hassle. Loose cargo had to be manually unpacked and repacked as it was moved from one mode of transportation to another. Cargo stored in boxes or crates could be moved by machine, but since every crate might be a different size, shape, or weight, or since they may have had different loading points, not all machines were appropriate for moving all crates.

When the modern shipping container was standardized across the industry, you could use a universal set of machines like cranes over a universal set of transportation modes like ships, rail cars, and trucks to simplify loading, unloading, and transport. Any shipping yard anywhere in the world could easily work with cargo by using tools built around a common standard.

This exists in the world of digital media, too. MXF (Material Exchange Format) and MOV (QuickTime movie) are called container formats. A video application which supports a specific container format can use standard tools to manipulate the containers -- open the file, seek to a specific point in time, play, fast-forward, rewind, etc. -- by using commonly-available standards and libraries. There is no need to re-invent the wheel by writing a new file format or new media manipulation libraries.

That said, just as in the case of the shipping container, what's inside a media container may require additional tools. While all MOV files may have the same structure, the AV contents inside are stored using a codec [link].

While the container provides for standardized file-handling and navigation, the codec is what actually allows you to represent the image or sound as stored bits and bytes, and then interpret those bits and bytes to get an image or sound.

Lossy video compression is all about compromise: you're throwing away information in order to make the file size smaller. The more you throw away, the smaller the file gets -- but the less image quality you retain. (A third factor, decode complexity, also factors in a bit.) Generally speaking, if you want a good-looking file, it's going to be very large. If you want a very small file, it's not going to look as good.

On to your specific question: IMX50 is a standard definition digital video format based on MXF-wrapped MPEG-2 video data, with a data rate of 50 megabits per second, and which uses only intraframe compression.

H.264 is a video codec (like MPEG-2 in the IMX50 example above). It does not define a format like IMX50 does. It's highly scalable, with many different profiles available (depending on your playback device) and supporting many resolutions, frame rates, and data rates. There's no reason why H.264 can't yield a visual result comparable to your IMX50 encode.

However, video compression is some mix of art and science, and you'll have to spend some time learning and experimenting.

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Roland R. KahlenbergRe: MXF and MOV
by on Mar 20, 2012 at 6:23:16 pm

Good stuff Walter. There are some nice bits of info here as well as a few useful links on MXF -


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