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Anilio Sweet
Widescreen render to quicktime wont happen
on Nov 21, 2011 at 5:59:06 pm

Hello everyone,

I made a intro and outro pal widescreen 720 x 576

If i render it out to flash /FLV/Media player iit shows the 2 black borders at top and bottum, this normal beacuse it is a widescreen comp.

But i i render it out as a quicktime it doesn't come out as widescreen, i tried evreything croped the sizes, stretc, 720 x405 unlocked aspectratio, but noting seems to do the trick??

Does someone now why??? beacuse its a widescreencomp

And does someone now how to fixed it??

Thanks a lot


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Walter Soyka
Re: Widescreen render to quicktime wont happen
on Nov 21, 2011 at 9:07:57 pm

[Anilio Sweet] "I made a intro and outro pal widescreen 720 x 576"

Have you tried nesting your comp in a square-pixel, 16:9 comp and rendering that?

Walter Soyka
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Anilio Sweet
Re: Widescreen render to quicktime wont happen
on Nov 21, 2011 at 9:45:08 pm

Yesss i already tried tha.. but it didnt worked it is till without th e black bars..


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Walter Soyka
Re: Widescreen render to quicktime wont happen
on Nov 21, 2011 at 9:50:01 pm

Oh, so you want the black bars?

Are you sure? Many playback systems will add the letterboxing if necessary, but if you render the black bars in, you may get letterboxing plus pillarboxing, or bars on all sides of the image (also known as litterboxing).

If you really want to render those black bars in, nest your widescreen PAL comp within a standard PAL comp. If necessary, select the widescreen precomp, then use Layer > Transform > Fit to Comp Width. Make sure the background color of your comp is black.

Walter Soyka
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Anilio Sweet
Re: Widescreen render to quicktime wont happen
on Nov 21, 2011 at 10:01:38 pm

Welll yess, i want the black bars, but it is not that i want it.. it is a sight that is it is widescreen, isnt it ??

The problem is, i made it in a widesccreen comp, if i render it out, in FLV/Mediaplayer or els the black bars are at the top and bottom.
So it is deffetnily, widescreen...

But only if i render it out in quicktime, it suddenly isnt, it is al square, without the bars, i made this short simple promo, nothing fancy for a client :







This is when i render it out as mediaplayer.

This i a quicktime render, i hop this made sence what i write,







There is a diffrent in in the 2 video's ( bythe way this is the one nested in another comp)


I hope you can help me out .. i wil try youre other advice with the blackbars


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Walter Soyka
Re: Widescreen render to quicktime wont happen
on Nov 21, 2011 at 10:06:01 pm

[Anilio Sweet] "Welll yess, i want the black bars, but it is not that i want it.. it is a sight that is it is widescreen, isnt it ??"

Depends on how wide you're going, and what you play it back on.

Let's start with your delivery specs. How are you delivering the finished product, and how will it be used?

Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
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Anilio Sweet
Re: Widescreen render to quicktime wont happen
on Nov 21, 2011 at 10:10:59 pm

i asked the customer what size he wanted the video he told me

720 x 576 widescreen. he needed it in avi/mediaplayer/quicktimen
for imovie and moviemaker.

He will use the intro & outro before and after his "how to video's"

So i deliverd it as a mediaplayer in after affects, this one is alright say's customer, but quictime not


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Walter Soyka
Re: Widescreen render to quicktime wont happen
on Nov 21, 2011 at 10:36:13 pm

[Anilio Sweet] "720 x 576 widescreen"

And what does that mean? Anamorphic (squeezed), or letterboxed (visible bars)?

Here are your three options for delivering widescreen PAL, in order of increasing resolution:



What is most appropriate for your client totally depends on their own editorial settings.

Walter Soyka
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Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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Anilio Sweet
Re: Widescreen render to quicktime wont happen
on Nov 21, 2011 at 10:41:29 pm

Thaks for al the help so far,

And what does that mean? Anamorphic (squeezed), or letterboxed (visible bars)?

I dont know, i just coose the comp, and then pal widescreen settings that are already in after effects.

Its the first one of your picter, a letterbox thats the on eh want deliverd in quicktime


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Walter Soyka
Re: Widescreen render to quicktime wont happen
on Nov 21, 2011 at 10:59:25 pm

[Anilio Sweet] "Its the first one of your picter, a letterbox thats the on eh want deliverd in quicktime"

Ok.

Create a standard PAL D1/DV comp with a black background color. Drop your widescreen comp into the standard comp, then Layer > Transform > Fit to Comp Width.

This will burn your black bars, top and bottom, into the render.

Please note -- if your client is ultimately going to DVD, they really want to be working with anamorphic or square pixel widescreen instead. Letterboxing during production can lead to reduced resolution or double-boxing (letterboxing and pillarboxing) on some displays.

If your client is working for the web, square pixel widescreen is probably the best choice.

Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
RenderBreak Blog - What I'm thinking when my workstation's thinking
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Anilio Sweet
Re: Widescreen render to quicktime wont happen
on Nov 21, 2011 at 11:12:35 pm

Oke i will do that< thanks for al the help,

One last question, what is the diffrent between
Pal d1/dv widescreen and Pal d1/dv widescreen square pixel?


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Walter Soyka
Re: Widescreen render to quicktime wont happen
on Nov 24, 2011 at 4:10:06 am

[Anilio Sweet] "One last question, what is the diffrent between
Pal d1/dv widescreen and Pal d1/dv widescreen square pixel?"


The difference is the pixel aspect ratio [link] -- which is a really important thing to understand when dealing with widescreen standard definition video.

Consider this: PAL screens are 4:3, but 720x576 reduces to 5:4. What causes this discrepancy? The pixels themselves aren't square. The display aspect ratio is separate from the pixel aspect ratio.

Some applications (like AE) deal with non-square pixels pretty well. Others prefer to work with square pixels, so AE makes that available as a preset. Ultimately, square-pixel widescreen (1050x576) will be squeezed horizontally to fit within the 720x576 standard for video transmission.

Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
RenderBreak Blog - What I'm thinking when my workstation's thinking
Creative Cow Forum Host: Live & Stage Events


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