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Thomas HardyQuadro FX for AE, worth the money?
by on Jul 7, 2011 at 5:57:18 pm

I have an i7, 8gb ddr3, gt240 and a Q6600 with 8gb and ATI4850.

Both have similar performance while rendering in AE CS4.

My question is, with a Quadro FX card would I get better permormance?

In my country I can only get Quadro FX 1700, is like 800usd, if I change the GT240 for a Quadro FX 1700 would I get faster renders or do I need to go with something better?

There is the FX 3400 too, but seems to be cheap so I guess it's not better than FX 1700.

Thomas Hardy.-
Newbie and Learning.


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Dave LaRondeRe: Quadro FX for AE, worth the money?
by on Jul 7, 2011 at 6:29:42 pm

[Thomas Hardy] "My question is, with a Quadro FX card would I get better performance?"

No. You will not. Getting such a card for AE use is a tragic waste of good money. Getting more RAM, on the other hand, is a very wise use of that same money.

AE likes RAM, and lots of it; hot cards are irrelevant.

Dave LaRonde
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Paul RoperRe: Quadro FX for AE, worth the money?
by on Jul 7, 2011 at 6:35:45 pm

Dave, do you ever tire of giving that same reply on a weekly basis whenever this same question is asked?!

...Not that I disagree - it's excellent advice! I'm still awaiting my 32GB RAM upgrade; then all my processors can zoom along at their full potential. Let's just hope that in CS6 Adobe make sure that ALL the effects (including the most processor-intensive: PARTICLES) are 64 bit multi-threaded!

- Paul


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Dave LaRondeRe: Quadro FX for AE, worth the money?
by on Jul 7, 2011 at 6:53:17 pm

I'd like to see all effects capable of 32-bit color.

It could be a pretty good year for Adobe. Following Apple's Final Cut Pro X clusterf**k, a lot of Final Cut Suite 3 practitioners are giving Adobe Creative Suite a long, hard look.

And since no one knows if His Jobsness will continue Quicktime, I've heard scuttlebutt that the folks at Disney are working with Hewlett-Packard (I think) to develop an open-source, non-proprietary, universally-accessible 64 or 128-bit multimedia container to free Disney, HP and billions of happy users from Apple's whimsical, enigmatic tyranny.

Dave LaRonde
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Todd KoprivaRe: Quadro FX for AE, worth the money?
by on Jul 7, 2011 at 8:04:13 pm

Here's a video that I made about OpenGL in After Effects:
http://www.video2brain.com/en/videos-5359.htm

Note that the gist is what Dave said.

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Chris BobotisRe: Quadro FX for AE, worth the money?
by on Jul 7, 2011 at 8:54:01 pm

Dave, I beg to differ. Many a third party AE plug-in uses either CUDA or openGL and they benefit from this card.

As a result, AE benefits. Furthermore, AE has an openGL renderer (see Todd K's Vid : http://www.video2brain.com/en/videos-5359.htm) and if you only use it for previewing then you are saving quite a bit of time. Sooooooooooo my take on it is that a better graphics card is a good investment - the question posed was is the Quadro FX worth the money? I run high end cards and find they are well worth it. Bang for the buck? Best bet? I cannot answer that - really depends on what your requirements are. We run all major 3D apps as well at Mettle so we do see a huge benefit there too. Makes it even easier to justify the investment when amortizing over several uses.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,
Chris
mettle.com


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Todd KoprivaRe: Quadro FX for AE, worth the money?
by on Jul 7, 2011 at 9:10:22 pm

My stock answer these days is that people should make their buying decisions for graphics cards based on Premiere Pro---knowing that what works for Premiere Pro will be more than enough for After Effects, too.

Chris, of course, has a specific few plug-ins in mind when he points out that some make use of OpenGL. ;-) ... and that's a valid consideration. Even if you leave the OpenGL renderer in After Effects turned off, these plug-ins can take advantage of OpenGL. And some (though few) can even take advantage of CUDA.

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Chris BobotisRe: Quadro FX for AE, worth the money?
by on Jul 8, 2011 at 12:48:12 am

Guilty as charged ;-)

Yes our products FreeForm Pro and ShapeShifter AE both use the GPU but so does VC Element 3D, Optical Flares (I believe), RGS Magic Bullet, Knoll Lens Flare, some of the Boris Continuum filters, I believe some of the Genarts and Digital Anarchy plugs too. I am sure I missed quite a few and I mean no disrespect to those I missed just trying to a point across. Hetereogeneous computing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterogeneous_computing) is here and i believe it is here to stay...

HTH,

Cheers,
Chris
mettle.com


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Todd KoprivaRe: Quadro FX for AE, worth the money?
by on Jul 8, 2011 at 1:23:47 am

To the original point:

If I had a thousand dollars left in my budget, I'd make sure that I had already stuffed a lot of RAM and fast CPUs into my system before I spent the extra grand on a higher-end graphics card. _Everything_ benefits from more RAM and faster CPUs; only _some_ things benefit from a higher-end graphics card.

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Todd KoprivaRe: Quadro FX for AE, worth the money?
by on Jul 8, 2011 at 1:28:39 am

BTW, I just finished an entire free training series on performance optimization for Premiere Pro and After Effects:
http://www.video2brain.com/en/products-115.htm

That video that I linked to earlier is from that series.

One of the goals of this series is to give people information to make buying decisions like this.

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Walter SoykaRe: Quadro FX for AE, worth the money?
by on Jul 8, 2011 at 2:11:41 am

[Todd Kopriva] "If I had a thousand dollars left in my budget, I'd make sure that I had already stuffed a lot of RAM and fast CPUs into my system before I spent the extra grand on a higher-end graphics card. _Everything_ benefits from more RAM and faster CPUs; only _some_ things benefit from a higher-end graphics card."

Agreed wholeheartedly.

Generalities aside, I think you'd need a very specific reason to select a Quadro FX 1700. It's an old card, and the same money would buy you a much faster GeForce today.

Walter Soyka
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