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Jason Jenkins
HVX on the way... need to get my edit machine ready
on Jan 2, 2008 at 6:03:06 pm

Hi,

I've got an HVX-200 on the way and I need to get prepped so I can edit DVCProHD. I'll be monitoring on a Panny BT-LH1700W and editing on my Mac Pro, but I have no capture/output card as of yet. I'm coming from the mini-DV firewire world and up to this point I have just firewired from the Mac to my DV deck then out to my monitor. I'm assuming that's not going to work with HD. I would like a solution that will allow me to view my DVCProHD work in HD, but also be able to downconvert to SD on the fly. I don't think I need any Pro-Res capabilities as I'd like to edit native DVCProHD, but maybe I'm missing something. So what are my options? Thanks for the help!


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Shane Ross
Re: HVX on the way... need to get my edit machine ready
on Jan 2, 2008 at 6:53:29 pm

http://www.aja.com - Kona LHe and Kona 3

http://www.decklink.com - Decklink Extreme HD, Decklink Multibridge

http://www.matrox.com - Matrox MXO (output only, but as you are importing via P2, you don't capture anything)

All will output HD...all will downconvert HD to SD in realtime. Some will upconvert SD to HD, some will cross convert 720p to 1080p on the fly. Look at all of them and see which best suits your needs.



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Jason Jenkins
Re: HVX on the way... need to get my edit machine ready
on Jan 2, 2008 at 7:32:45 pm

Thanks Shane,

Looking at the Decklink and the Kona, neither seems to support 720p23.98. My plan is to shoot at 720p24, edit in the same and down convert to SD for broadcast. What am I missing here?


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gary adcock
Re: HVX on the way... need to get my edit machine ready
on Jan 2, 2008 at 7:45:50 pm

[Jason Jenkins] "Looking at the Decklink and the Kona, neither seems to support 720p23.98. My plan is to shoot at 720p24, edit in the same and down convert to SD for broadcast. What am I missing here? "

the Spec for 720p is either 60fps or 50 fps.

there is NO SMPTE spec for 720p 24/ 23.98 delivery.

While I prefer the Kona, both are capable of handling 720p24 content and delivering it to a variety of devices.

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Emre Tufekci
Re: HVX on the way... need to get my edit machine ready
on Jan 2, 2008 at 7:13:40 pm

One alternative that comes to mind is the new motu box V3HD. It works nativly dvcpro hd and can up down cross convert on the fly. Downside: nothing above dvcprohd and costs 2K+

A cheaper option is the new blackmagic card intensity pro. You can view hdmi or analog out from FCP or Premiere for only $330. Downside: Dvcprohd support is on the way, you have to cross convert everything to blackmagic codec 1080p 10bit (1 GB dvcprohd becomes 12 GB). Desktop only.

There ofcourse is the AJA IOHD but you already said you donot need prores.

I am sure more people will add many other options, but it's a start.

PS: When you receive your HVX with the power off slowly tilt it forward and then back. If it "clunks", you're good.

Good Luck and enjoy your HVX.

Emre
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Jason Jenkins
Re: HVX on the way... need to get my edit machine ready
on Jan 2, 2008 at 7:36:08 pm

Thanks Emre,

Why do I want a "clunk"?


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Noah Kadner
Re: HVX on the way... need to get my edit machine ready
on Jan 2, 2008 at 7:48:04 pm

Trust us- once you get the camera you'll understand. And it's perfectly normal.

Noah

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Emre Tufekci
Re: HVX on the way... need to get my edit machine ready
on Jan 2, 2008 at 8:48:45 pm

23.98 is a problem as intensity pro will not support it as well.

I am not sure about Motu as it is very new and I have seen to few reviewa. But if you call them with questions they take your name and somebody calls back within 15min to answer all your questions.

For me it was a choice; Either dump 720PN and pay for storage (10K)or keep 720PN and upgrade from AVID Mojo to AVID adrenaline(40K). I dumped my avid.


"If it dont clunk, then it's junk". If I m not mistaken (and correct me please) the OIS mirror is in loose mode when it is powered down. If it does not move, you're in trouble.

Emre
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Boxx Tech PC, dual-dual AMD 2.0,4BG ram,Avidexpress HD w/Mojo,UVW-1800,DSR-25, Adobe Premium CS3.Steadicam OP/Owner.

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Patrick Ortman
Re: HVX on the way... need to get my edit machine ready
on Jan 2, 2008 at 11:48:18 pm

Of course, in a low end way, you could forgo the capture/output card for now and use firewire for ingest. I did that for my first couple of HVX projects and it was OK for them. Now, we're all Kona 3 and such. But even still, all I use the Kona for is monitoring and then outputting to digibeta or whatever the client wants. I use a card reader for ingest.


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Jason Jenkins
Re: HVX on the way... need to get my edit machine ready
on Jan 3, 2008 at 12:33:40 am

But you can't monitor via firewire, can you?


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Patrick Ortman
Re: HVX on the way... need to get my edit machine ready
on Jan 3, 2008 at 12:37:20 am

Not that I'm aware of, but the first 2 projects we did were pretty low-end and didn't need it. We just used Desktop Cinema preview. 'Twere web projects, they were :-)

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Noah Kadner
Re: HVX on the way... need to get my edit machine ready
on Jan 3, 2008 at 6:13:10 pm

I think a Kona 3 rocks if you can afford it and you're going to do things like color correction with a good HD monitor.

Noah

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Shane Ross
Re: HVX on the way... need to get my edit machine ready
on Jan 3, 2008 at 6:22:04 pm

OK jason...let's nip this in the bud before you start.

What will you be delivering? What format? Digibeta? HDCAM? DVD? What will be your final mastering format? This determines what frame rate you shoot. Please do NOT shoot 23.98 just because you want the "film look." YOu can achieve this by shooting 24p at 29.97 as well.

As for monitoring, you never monitor at 23.98...DVCPRO HD 720p 23.98 is monitored at 59.94 believe it or not. 23.98 monitoring is possible with the Kona (I know because I have done it), but it flickers and strobes so much, it is unwatchable for long periods of time. Pros don't do this...they monitor at the compression rate of the medium, which is 59.94.



Shane


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Jason Jenkins
Re: HVX on the way... need to get my edit machine ready
on Jan 3, 2008 at 10:40:42 pm

Depending on the project; Beta SP, Digibeta, DVD and/or various web formats. I think I finally hear you on the 24p at 29.97. You're shooting 24p and the cam is adding pulldown on the fly to get to 29.97. Sounds good unless you're shooting for compositing or chroma keying.


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