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Ken AckermanImproving Motion 4 performance ?
by on Jul 25, 2012 at 5:25:36 pm

I realize that all the apps in Final Cut Studio 3 are 32 bit (at least that's what I have read in several places). The conventional wisdom has always been increase ram for improved performance. My Mac Pro 4,1 (early 2009) 8 core currently has 14 gig of ram which I'll be upgrading to 23 gig later today.

The next upgrade I'm considering is a new Graphics display card as the Stock GT 120 seems to be a bit underpowered both in FCP 7 & Motion 4. So far my reading has lead me to the Apple /Ati 5870 and the Pny Quadro 4000 for Mac as the 2 finalists in consideration. Clearly, the Quadro with 2 gig of Vram has advantage over the 5870 according to the Barefeats tests.

My question is: Since Motion 4 is said to be GPU intensive vs. CPU intensive, will that make a performance improvement when executing projects using the Quadro ?

Ken

Mac Pro 8 core, 14 Gram, 4TB hd's, Osx 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard), Final Cut Studio 3, ad nauseum


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Mark SpencerRe: Improving Motion 4 performance ?
by on Jul 25, 2012 at 5:30:20 pm

The ATI card will improve Motion's performance a lot - the NVIDIA card, hardly at all - the drivers aren't optimized for it.

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Mark Spencer
Freelance Producer/Editor/Motion Graphics Artist
Apple-certified Master Trainer
Author, Motion 4 from Peachpit Press
http://www.applemotion.net


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Ken AckermanRe: Improving Motion 4 performance ?
by on Jul 25, 2012 at 5:58:49 pm

Mark,

Thanks for such a quick reply! It's problematic making a good decision when I don't know all the information. I'm sure glad I asked.

BTW I just purchased your Motion 4 book from Peachpit last week and am going through the lessons now. I like the way you explain things, keep up the good work!

Ken

Mac Pro 8 core, 14 Gram, 4TB hd's, Osx 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard), Final Cut Studio 3, ad nauseum


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Stuart WarringtonRe: Improving Motion 4 performance ?
by on Jul 30, 2012 at 3:17:50 pm

I honestly can't stress enough how useful upgrading to motion5 has been since the updates. It all seems to run a lot smother!


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Ernie MunickRe: Improving Motion 4 performance ?
by on Aug 3, 2012 at 1:19:38 pm

Mark, you mentioned the difference in graphics cards. I'm about to buy a new MacBook Pro, upgrading from a 2009 model (NVIDIA GeForce 9400M 256 MB). Can you recommend the best card to get for Motion 5 and FCP X? Reading your above comment, I unchecked my text layers and the video was much smoother. Still, I want to prepare for intense projects in Motion

Ernie


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Chris LehmannRe: Improving Motion 4 performance ?
by on Jul 31, 2012 at 9:37:55 pm

I recently upgraded my late 2009 Mac Pro with the stock Nvidia card to an ATI HD 5870. The increase in Motion is extreme! I can now move objects around smoothly, and render times are about 1/8th of what they were. If you spend any time in Motion at all, a graphics card upgrade will do you huge favors.


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Ken AckermanRe: Improving Motion 4 performance ?
by on Jul 31, 2012 at 11:00:20 pm

Chris,

Thanks for the reply. That clinches it for me. I was sold when Mark answered affirmatively, but it's great to have the shared recommendation from you too.

Mac Pro 8 core, 14 Gram, 4TB hd's, Osx 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard), Final Cut Studio 3, ad nauseum


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Deyson OrtizRe: Improving Motion 4 performance ?
by on Aug 2, 2012 at 10:04:16 am

I also got a huge performance boost when I got my new display. I had a small display before as I decided which monitor to buy. I ended up getting the Apple Cinema Display and it felt as I doubled my workflow speed.

I heard that adding a solid state drive also speeds up performance as well.

Best of luck.

- Deyson Ortiz - Editor / Motion Graphics
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- View my work at: http://deysonortiz.com

- Download Free Motion Master Templates at: http://motion-master-templates.com/

- Watch my Apple Motion Podcasts at: http://my.creativecow.net/Deyson-Ortiz/podcasts


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Ken AckermanRe: Improving Motion 4 performance ?
by on Aug 4, 2012 at 4:31:35 pm

Hmmmm......

I'm currently using a Hanns G 28" LCD flat screen display that I love.

In the past, I have used the older Apple CRT displays that worked well but are real estate hogs on any desktop.

I have considered purchasing a larger Apple display, but always stop when I consider their cost, which I consider outrageous as a hobbyist. Others have called it the "Apple Tax".

I'm glad the 27 has answered your needs. Apple's turnabout with FCP, and significant lack of support for those of us who purchased Mac Pro's, combined with the Apple tax has given me pause to invest more money unless & until Apple changes it's approach to financially raping their loyal customers. I know .... don't hold my breath.

I'm beginning to think the SSD concept may be more appealing than spending $450 for an outdated video card (5870) that will become obsolete in the not too distant future. The OWC PCIe bootable blade SSD should come down in price since it is both PC & Mac compatible.

Ken

Mac Pro 8 core, 14 Gram, 4TB hd's, Osx 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard), Final Cut Studio 3, ad nauseum


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Deyson OrtizRe: Improving Motion 4 performance ?
by on Aug 4, 2012 at 6:03:29 pm

I like what Apple did with FCPX. I personally feel the old FCP was outdated and in need of a change, after ten years of the same interface looking at a new way of editing is a breath of fresh air.

Plus all the new features that Apple has added to FCPX has increased the speed to my workflow. I feel as if I can edit much faster now than ever before and also now that FCPX does many of the mundane and tedious work in the background it allows me to focus on being more creative and have more fun with my work.

The Apple Display I also thought was expensive at first. But compared to all the other monitors I have tested, it is had the nicest design, look and feel compared to any other monitor under the 1000 price range. The image looks sharp and by having over 2,600 pixels in resolution gives me more screen real estate than having to use two monitors, so instead of having to buy two monitors I only need one.

When you add the cost of FCPX plus Motion and a Cinema Display, you still end up spending less than most NLE software alone, which is delivered on a 10 cent DVD.

If you need full dedicated support from Apple you can purchase their Apple Care or just use the hundreds of support forums on the net which are free.

Compared to a few years ago where editing in SD could start off at $60,000 we have gone a long way. So the “Apple Tax” is nothing compared to how much we had to pay not many years ago. All the competition had their own form of “Tax” either through support, updates or simply adding a few more features. If anything Apple really helped bring the prices down in our industry so most of us can deliver professional looking content for a fraction of the cost. You want to hear about being financially raped, I used to use an NLE system that cost over $70,000 only to have it dropped with no notice or warning or apology by the company. This also happened to a friend by another NLE competitor spending close the same amount. That is the reason we jumped to FCP 1.0 eleven years ago and since then I have been happy :) FCP was not dropped thankfully, it was just reborn into something better, FCPX.

I did not get the 5870 graphics card, I added the 5770 and it is half the price. I run a business so I could not wait for the not so distant future. :( But $250.00 is not bad price though I think.

My next step is the SSD Drive, which I have heard good things about. :)

I for one do not mind spending more on Apple products, as I always feel I get a great quality product , great customer service, their products last for a very long time and gives me a great return on my investment. I also like the way their products are packaged and delivered, it makes me feel as if they actually care.

But these are all my opinions, in the end what matters is what makes you happy and gives you the most satisfaction. :)

Have a great day and keep creating.

P.S. Some of the best artists in our history started out as hobbyists, the important thing is Passion :)

- Deyson Ortiz - Editor / Motion Graphics
_______________________________________

- View my work at: http://deysonortiz.com

- Download Free Motion Master Templates at: http://motion-master-templates.com/

- Watch my Apple Motion Podcasts at: http://my.creativecow.net/Deyson-Ortiz/podcasts


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