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Ned Miller
Need REAL Stock Footage Resource
on Mar 19, 2014 at 11:16:08 pm
Last Edited By Ned Miller on Mar 19, 2014 at 11:20:53 pm

Ugh! Hours wasted. I am creating a video for a client of 100% stock footage, 100% people working. However, my normal "Go To" sources that we are all used to: iStock, Pond5, Dissolve...for some reason they like to hire models and it looks so fake. So unbelievable. It's as if the people setting up these scenes have never participated in them. For instance, men driving fork lifts wearing ties. Construction workers with brand new hard hats. 95% pretty people...

And when I do find something usable they only have it in Slo Mo! Do they think that's artsy?

Does anyone know of some good stock footage sites that have a more "real" look? Any companies specializing in a documentary, real world style? I don't care for Video Blocks.

Thanks!

Ned Miller
Chicago Videographer
http://www.nedmiller.com
www,bizvideo.com


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Greg Ball
Re: Need REAL Stock Footage Resource
on Mar 20, 2014 at 1:10:07 am

Getty Images is probably your best bet. However their prices are very high.



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Ned Miller
Re: Need REAL Stock Footage Resource
on Mar 20, 2014 at 1:13:57 am

Getty bought iStock so I believe they are now one and the same. Here is what I am emulating, at 10000th of the cost of course, this is the style I am going for:

http://www.apple.com/your-verse/#video-your-verse

Searching takes much longer than planned but I am enjoying it. Very frustrating wading through all this fake, pretty people material.

Ned Miller
Chicago Videographer
http://www.nedmiller.com
www,bizvideo.com


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Walter Soyka
Re: Need REAL Stock Footage Resource
on Mar 20, 2014 at 1:38:09 am

[Ned Miller] "Getty bought iStock so I believe they are now one and the same."

iStock is to Getty like Chevy is to Cadillac.


[Ned Miller] "Searching takes much longer than planned but I am enjoying it."

Getty provides research assistance.


[Ned Miller] "Here is what I am emulating, at 10000th of the cost of course, this is the style I am going for:"

As Greg mentioned, Getty is pricey -- but good stock costs money.

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Todd Terry
Re: Need REAL Stock Footage Resource
on Mar 20, 2014 at 1:52:38 am

iStock is indeed owned by Getty, but they are not at all the same nor have the same catalog (although yes there is some overlap). So just because you didn't find it in iStock, doesn't mean you might not find it at Getty.

But yes, Getty is much much much more expensive.

Did I mention more expensive?

T2

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Ned Miller
Re: Need REAL Stock Footage Resource
on Mar 20, 2014 at 1:56:42 am

Yes looks high quality but still has the same problem: Models, Models, Models. If only they would hire some real looking folks. Lots of pantomime.

However, their non-people stock looks great.

Ned Miller
Chicago Videographer
http://www.nedmiller.com
www,bizvideo.com


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Jeff Breuer
Re: Need REAL Stock Footage Resource
on Mar 20, 2014 at 2:32:34 pm

Check out Videoblocks.com. It's not the highest quality footage, but they have some real construction stuff in there. If you see a few clips you like you can just created a free seven day account and download all the stuff you want (it's a retainer based, download all you want model). If you want to quit though, just be sure to cancel before they hit your credit card.


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Mark Suszko
Re: Need REAL Stock Footage Resource
on Mar 20, 2014 at 2:58:32 pm

There's another alternative; there's a web site out there where you specify the stock you want, and what you're willing to pay, and someone bids to go out and shoot it specifically for you. The idea being that there are shooters everywhere and one or more of them must live near something you want shot. And they do it for cheap, relative to Getty. Now, I'm trying to remember the name of the web site and am drawing a blank at the moment. Does anybody else remember the name I'm forgetting?


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Ned Miller
Re: Need REAL Stock Footage Resource
on Mar 20, 2014 at 3:04:15 pm

Thanks Mark, but I am a cameraman so I could easily do it myself. It's just that their budget wouldn't allow that. I have $150 average for each of 20 shots and no decent cameraman would go out for that.

I do wish there was an aggregator site where I could put in the search term and it searches ALL the decent stock footage companies for me. I have a 27" and 22" monitors up and about 10 browser windows open trying to compare. My main problem is their look of fake models pretending to be doing the work at hand. Perhaps it's my documentary background I see the shots as phony.

Ned Miller
Chicago Videographer
http://www.nedmiller.com
www,bizvideo.com


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Mark Suszko
Re: Need REAL Stock Footage Resource
on Mar 20, 2014 at 3:34:47 pm

I totally understand what you mean.

Though in this economy, you would be surprised at what kind of freelance shots you might get thru such a service. Sure, the quality will be all over the map, but, you could just a well come across incredible bargains bid by people just trying to get a toe in the door. There's a lot of undiscovered talent out there that may not want to be full-timers but can delver an awesome shot every now and then.

The COW is has their own stock catalog, still relatively small... but you know, it might be a great idea to add this sort of "bid to get you a specific shot" feature to it. Maybe call it "on the hoof". (TM) I think I'll mention it to Tim. It could be a great way for COW members to help each other out.


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Mark Suszko
Re: Need REAL Stock Footage Resource
on Mar 20, 2014 at 3:46:47 pm

Ned, what about searching Youtube for the shots, and contacting the uploaders of the shots you like, to get a high rez FTP?


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Bill Davis
RANT: Re: Need REAL Stock Footage Resource
on Mar 20, 2014 at 7:03:47 pm
Last Edited By Bill Davis on Mar 20, 2014 at 7:07:16 pm

This is a rant - so bear with.

I do a lot of voiceover work. At on the casting services I'm connected with - day after day after day I see the same thing. Someone looking for a voice talent - and to explain the "tonality" they're looking for - they post an ad. Typically an APPLE ad.
Here - I want someone who can sound like this… then they link to the Brian Cranston "pencil" ad.
Or the Richard Dreyfus 1997 Think Different Ad.
Or something similar.

I want to scream at them.

I want to tell them that the "tonality" (whatever the hell that means) has as little to do with the impact of the ad as the format it was shot on. (They do know that the iPad ad was actually SHOT on iDevices, - right?)

I want to scream at them that it's NEVER one thing. Never JUST the images - or the music - or the voiceover - or the quality of the product itself - or the timing of the campaign - or the strength of the media buy - or how successfully that product or service dovetails with the wants and desires of the customers the manufacturer is attempting to reach.

It's EVERYTHING.

It's ALL of those things coming together to mesh beautifully - and compel us to buy something and therefore drive profits.

And whenever it happens - you can be absolutely sure of one thing.

Immediately after that campaign succeeds there will be a zillion clients who are absolutely DESPERATE to rip off PARTS of the successful effort believing that if they can achieve that "tonality" of the voiceover - or the "realness" of the photography - then their work will be *or at least LOOK) more "successful" as well.

But, of course, they won't have the time and money to do ANY of the hard work that went into the first successful project.. Not to write as graceful a script. Not to hire a quality shooter. Not to engage the proper talent. Not to learn to direct them well, Nor spend the back-end time and money relentlessly pursuing what made the original so successful.

They'll want to spend 1/1000th of the money - and they'll expect that copying the look or sound as well as they can will help them stand out and achieve competitive success.

What astonishes me is that they somehow feel that copying great creativity will, in turn, make their work "more creative." Huh? Doesn't copying something BY DEFINITION make the resulting work LESS "creative?"

BTW, this is NOT about Ned, whom I know to be a solid pro who understands all of this already - and who (like all of us) is simply trying to do for his clients the best he possibly can within the limitations they impose.

But I'm a voiceover guy who sees a small slice of the crap that chasing this kind of brilliance breeds. And I suspect it's precisely the same for the stock photographers out there. The market screams for more "REAL" for sure. BUT - not ACTUAL "real." and certainly not ugly real, or ill focused real, or slurred words real or overexposed real or - but for an artfully nearly flawless "REAL" that looks like it took NO effort - when in fact it took MORE effort than the stock photos that were rejected as being "too stock looking."

I believe there's a "making of" video on the web about the iPad "day in the life" video. It reveals a bit of what it took to make those simple "slice of life" videos in the linked spot.

They burned through mountains of cash around the globe and had to sort through a zillion rejects to find precisely the best shots in order to make it look that "real."

And so it goes.



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Nick Griffin
Re: Need REAL Stock Footage Resource
on Mar 20, 2014 at 4:24:41 pm

[Todd Terry] "iStock is indeed owned by Getty"

And, I believe both are owned by either Microsoft or, more likely, Bill Gates privately.


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Greg Ball
Re: Need REAL Stock Footage Resource
on Mar 20, 2014 at 4:57:38 pm

I've also had lots of success with Shutterstock http://footage.shutterstock.com/



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Shane Ross
Re: Need REAL Stock Footage Resource
on Mar 20, 2014 at 8:43:59 pm

The broadcast shows I work on now are 93% stock footage. 2% interviews, and maybe 4-5% footage we shot in locations. WE have to suffer through the same mess of bad actors, over actors...simply put...actors. And yes, to get the REAL thing, means Getty, or Corbis...and they are not cheap.

We did mention that, right?

BTW, this is the funniest piece of stock footage I have ever seen...on Pond5. It is supposed to be a gavel, but is really a chisel driven into a black PVC pipe, hitting a PVC pipe end cap. And interestingly enough...I saw this same shot used on air...



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Mark Suszko
Re: Need REAL Stock Footage Resource
on Mar 20, 2014 at 8:48:01 pm

"Don't let chiselers get away with it: take 'em to court!" LOL


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Matt Townley
Re: Need REAL Stock Footage Resource
on Mar 20, 2014 at 11:12:57 pm

Sorry. Couldn't help it.






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Ned Miller
Re: Need REAL Stock Footage Resource
on Mar 21, 2014 at 1:41:34 am
Last Edited By Ned Miller on Mar 21, 2014 at 1:51:27 am

Hey Matt, that was great! Haven't seen it in awhile.

As to Shutterstock, same story: Search Office Workers, etc., and it's all models pantomiming. Blue collar not much better.

Hi Bill: I think everything is derivative. I've been doing this for so long I've seen many styles and trends come and go. One thing Apple started was a Scandinavian Design clean look, white background, simplicity. Ala Crate & Barrel, who were my longest running client until the Germans bought them, but I digress... I shoot and sometimes produce training videos and Apple is the standard, including the screen grab software and also the age range of the voice. It's mimicry, jumping on the band wagon but there's the old expression: You Can't Argue With Success".

When I first saw Bill's rant (at a red light) I thought it was someone flaming me, reacting to my Craigslist ad from a few days ago asking for a VO talent who is an Actor, not a Voice of God, but then I saw it was from Creative Cow and not CL (phew!) and then the light turned green. I have a stable of VO Peeps, perhaps a dozen males and five or so females that I ask the clients to choose from. They actually enjoy that task. I tell them to give me their 1st, 2nd & 3rd choice. Naturally only the ones in their price range are sent. Since all my peeps are Voices of God with Velvet Pipes, because I specialize in straight corporate and my documentaries tend to be of the fund raising genre where I need the Voice of Dripping Sincerity, I knew the players on my bench would not satisfy my client who sent me Richard Dreyfus to emulate. Also, they have only $400 for the narrator of their one minute video.

As you can imagine, 90%, even though my CL ad says I do NOT want a traditional narrator, that I need someone who sounds like he is a "real" character actor, perhaps from a working class background meaning: a Regular Joe, the raspy voice of a former Plant Superintendent, a Fellow Fireman, Someone With Gravitas, A Lower Register, etc., even though the ad states what I need, naturally pros feel they can reach for that and I get a tsunami of inappropriate responses and the samples that sound like the Voice of God trying to be a Regular Joe.

But! Then one VO guy from California, and if you PM me I will give you his contact info, this guy sounds like a Peter Coyote type, that was exactly what I had in mind but have a problem finding here. He was kind enough to lay down two paragraphs, which was about half the script. So I put some perfect music under it and I downloaded watermarked placeholders from the various stock places. I cut together a very nice sequence and sent it as a teaser to the client. I was extremely frustrated by my inability to find a couple of shots that weren't phoney looking model types and that's when I posted.

So...it's been 24 hours and I haven't heard if I got the gig but...I think I found a new niche market. If I do get this gig for a 1 minute, home page, 100% stock footage, Apple imitator, poetic image piece, I think I can shop it around and do this for lots of companies. It's not meant to sell a client's services or products per se, rather it's to establish a vibe as to who they are and hopefully the visitor will click through, drill down and request a contact. The reason I am loving this idea is you can create these videos without leaving the house! Without shaving! Stay in your sweats all day! With a narrator and 20 stock shots averaging $100 each, you can stay under the budget pain point of medium size companies. You can appeal to the ego of the owner/founder/CEO. They appreciate this genre even if we know it's derivative. After all, it's new to them!

BTW, I got this inquiry from sending my brochure to the president of this company. Then the Director of Marketing emailed me saying the prez gave my brochure to him saying they want to do something like the Apple spot they sent me, which they probably saw watching the Super Bowl. I responded that if I live to 100 I will never achieve that level of greatness and they replied: Relax, we will do it with stock.

I may be onto something. Stay tuned.

Ned Miller
Chicago Videographer
http://www.nedmiller.com


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Rich Rubasch
Re: Need REAL Stock Footage Resource
on Mar 21, 2014 at 8:17:05 pm

I now cringe if a project has more than two stock shots....way too much up in the air that you can't control. Always a compromise. For $3000 I don't think we would get 20 shots in a day unless they were in the same space without a big company move, but I agree that using primarily stock to the tune of 20 shots is a bad idea all around to sell a brand.

Rich Rubasch
Tilt Media Inc.
Video Production, Post, Studio Sound Stage
Founder/President/Editor/Designer/Animator
http://www.tiltmedia.com


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Ned Miller
Re: Need REAL Stock Footage Resource
on Mar 26, 2014 at 8:08:25 pm

Ahhh! This is what I mean. I am going to try to cultivate a 100% stock style video and market for home pages:



Ned Miller
Chicago Videographer
http://www.nedmiller.com
www,bizvideo.com


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Beth Rivers
Re: Need REAL Stock Footage Resource
on Dec 16, 2015 at 9:28:41 pm

I think http://www.b-rollstock.com is offering better deals with their concept of B-roll packages. These include 4-7 HD/4K royalty free video clips (different angles and types of shots) for the price of one clip in any of the major stock video footage websites.

They also offer amazing royalty rates for their contributors, up to 70%. I don't think anyone on the market offers such earnings rate.


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Todd Terry
Re: Need REAL Stock Footage Resource
on Dec 16, 2015 at 10:39:14 pm

[Beth Rivers] "I think http://www.b-rollstock.com is offering better deals with their concept of B-roll packages."

You think that? Or you know that, because you are associated with that company?

Sorry to be a skeptic (and it may be unfounded), but the COW as of late seems to have a lot of people raving about some new product, gadget or service that they've "just heard about" or "been meaning to check out" or that "a friend has tried," etc... and when you look at the poster they are invariably brand-new, with no personal or company details, and have just joined the COW that day. I mean, it's possible, but why would someone brand new bother to sign up just to make a recommendation or a positive follow-up post about something they "think" they know about ("think" being the poster's word) on an almost year-old thread that hasn't had any activity since its first week? Hmmmmmm..... it's just so painfully transparent.

If people would just be upfront....

T2

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Todd Terry
Re: Need REAL Stock Footage Resource
on Dec 16, 2015 at 10:52:26 pm

Yep, one quick Google of this post's text showed virtually the same identical verbage popping up on numerous forums, both from "Beth Rivers" and from another name.

Sadly, the source/company/site might be perfectly useful, but now I will never ever so much as even click on the link because I don't trust their methods.

T2

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Ned Miller
Re: Need REAL Stock Footage Resource
on Dec 16, 2015 at 11:00:54 pm

Wow, that was my post for a year and a half ago. Her name is really Elizabeth Rios, that last name in Spanish means Rivers:

https://www.quora.com/profile/Elizabeth-R%C3%ADos

She is possibly an employee or a blogger who is paid to shill for the company, quite common in many industries. Looks like she's still in journalism school.

By the way, I recently was doing documentary at a major trade show for the futures industry and stopped at every booth with a pro looking video, mainly to scarf up free pens and keychains. I'd say 80% of the videos were high quality stock footage with great text treatment. A great savings over hiring us to do the traditional corporate sales video. Oh well...

Ned Miller
Chicago Videographer
http://www.nedmiller.com
www,bizvideo.com


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