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Shylah BarnesVideo effects for free on YouTube - should I?
by on May 3, 2010 at 8:49:45 pm

Greetings,

I have been contacted by a user on Youtube that also has a series of fitness videos that he has sold on TV. I guess now he's taking a different route and is posting "enlightenment" videos on Youtube to promote his positive image. I imagine he gets no profit from these videos.

He has offered me a proposition to do future video effects work on his upcoming Youtube videos, and in turn he offered to give my Youtube channel a credit & an advertisement link in his video.

I am new to doing video effects and would like to get into doing this professionally. It seems like a good networking opportunity, especially since he has done videos for profit in the past and seems to be in the Hollywood business scene a bit. But I also don't want to make a mistake and do the video work for free if I should be charging him. At the same time, I don't want to scare the guy off and put prices out there and he say "that's okay" and I blow off my opportunity. Where should I draw the line?

Thanks for any responses in advance.


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Timothy J. AllenRe: Video effects for free on YouTube - should I?
by on May 3, 2010 at 10:00:13 pm

If he doesn't accept a fair price, you don't want to work for him anyway.

You aren't losing anything unless you do it for free. In that case you lose both your time, your future value (since you establish that you aren't worth more than "credit") and your dignity (see previous parenthetical statement.) YouTube credit? Give me a break!



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Mark SuszkoRe: Video effects for free on YouTube - should I?
by on May 3, 2010 at 10:41:27 pm

Last time I looked up the definition of "professional", it said that it meant you got paid money for what you did.

This guy is banking you are not yet "enlightened" that he is a "Grinder". Look up that word at the cow and read what pops up.

If you want to do a job for free because it may be fun or you may learn something new or you just believe in the cause, tell him you're waiving your fee *this time* for those reasons. But don't do billable work for free without a good reason. And don't expect to hear from him again after he's used his freebie from you.


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Ryan MastRe: Video effects for free on YouTube - should I?
by on May 4, 2010 at 12:28:27 am

Once you do work for free for someone, you won't be able to charge them for your work in the future. That's okay. Do awesome work for them for free, then use that as a portfolio piece to go rope in well-paying work from new clients.

It's much easier to leave by saying "I'm sorry, I just don't have time to do that for you right now" and recommend someone else, than saying "You need to pay me $xxx now."

If someone asks you do something for them for cheap or free now, promising to give you well-paying work in the future, it's almost always a lie. Instead of working that angle, ask for something else in exchange -- their help to find other clients, credit, introductions to other people, etc. Works out better for everyone.

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Meteor Tower Films
We make music videos, design video for live theater, and build interesting contraptions.


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Mike CohenRe: Video effects for free on YouTube - should I?
by on May 4, 2010 at 12:50:21 am

There is no free lunch unless you are the one buying lunch. Sounds like you are being asked to make the sandwich, only after you also bake the bread, grow the lettuce and probably learn to become a butcher so you can get some meat. That's a bad deal if all you want is a sandwich.

Mike Cohen


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grinner hesterRe: Video effects for free on YouTube - should I?
by on May 4, 2010 at 3:09:00 am

[Shylah Barnes] " Where should I draw the line?"
At about 25 bucks an hour.





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Emre Tufekci S.O.A.Re: Video effects for free on YouTube - should I?
by on May 4, 2010 at 5:57:15 pm

If you really think you can get more work from him send him a quote:

Proposed work hours: 20
Hourly Rate: $100
Total: $2000

First time client discount %50 (name this anything you want)
Total: $1000

This way he will know your rate and next time wont ask for free or low ball work.





Emre Tufekci
http://www.productionpit.com



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Shylah BarnesRe: Video effects for free on YouTube - should I?
by on May 5, 2010 at 7:25:02 am

Thank you everyone for the responses, I never thought I'd get so much great feedback from a forum. Creative Cow rules!

You guys are all 100% right, bringing good and "real" advice to the table. In truth, I was just hoping that there would be some leniency I could give the guy, like sample work or something because I want to get started showing off my work to the world, but I realize that this is how "newbies" get taken advantage of. I just know the outcome will probably be that I won't hear back from the guy once I tell him that I charge. But I just CAN'T do any random work for free!

Prior to any video work, I did mainly websites and graphics on the side, and I've dealt with MANY so called "potential clients" that disappear once I inform them that I charge actual money that's OVER the $100 mark. So I shouldn't expect anything different from video effects work unless I get a full-time job somewhere doing this (hopefully in the near future :) ).

Well, I will let him know that I don't work for free and open the arena to discuss price options, and if I hear from him I'll keep this thread updated with his response, whether good or bad.

Thanks again for the help everyone!

-Shylah





Multimedia Specialist
http://www.shymultimedia.com
sbarnes@shymultimedia.com


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Ron LindeboomRe: Video effects for free on YouTube - should I?
by on May 5, 2010 at 3:06:20 pm

[Shylah Barnes] "I never thought I'd get so much great feedback from a forum. Creative Cow rules!

I realize that this is how "newbies" get taken advantage of. I just know the outcome will probably be that I won't hear back from the guy once I tell him that I charge."



Hello Shylah,

Yes, this is an amazing place and the ideas that are shared by working professionals with others is something that even after 15 years of doing this online, I am still amazed at it all.

Many years ago, I penned an article on this very phenomenon that you are going through. It is called: "Clients or Grinders: The Choice Is Yours." It is about how there are three dominant psychological "mind-sets" in the marketplace, and the article gives readers a way to quickly spot each one and decide if you really want to do business with them or not.

Since penning the original back in 1998 or so, I have received more mail from it than any other article I've ever written over the last 15 years or so. Why? Because thankfully, human nature is pretty consistent and you can learn to read the signs and save yourself a lot of money and aggravation by doing so. (Unfortunately, we didn't develop the article comments mechanism until the last year or two and so most of them sit in my email in-box.)

It was out of articles like these, that Nick Griffin and I wrote each other and became friends and in doing so, Nick suggested that "You know, Ron, a business forum would be a great addition to the line-up." So, all these many years later, you see the outcome of an idea. Learn to trust the power of your own ideas, and hone your business instincts.

Clients or Grinders may help you in this regard.

Thank you for your kind words about the forum and its value to you, I know that I speak on behalf of all the COW leaders and contributing members that make this such a great place. Your words are appreciated.

Thank you for being a part of the community.

Ron Lindeboom
Co-founder (with his wonderful wife, Kathlyn) and CEO, Creative COW


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