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Mike NaxQuestion for people using FCP in career.
by on Feb 2, 2010 at 1:23:09 am


How much knowledge is enough before you can advertise yourself as
a video editor?

Must I have a certification or Art Degree.


As for myself I'm studying video production, I've learned mostly from working on personal projects and the Apple certification book.


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Emre Tufekci S.O.A.Re: Question for people using FCP in career.
by on Feb 2, 2010 at 3:07:48 pm

The answer is relative:

-When you feel that you can walk into a edit session with a client you have never met before and you feel absolutely confident you will come through technically and visually....no matter what.

(Yes, experience is something you get right after when you could have used the most...catch 22...but you got to start somewhere)

Degrees are not relevant as much as experience is (IMHO), I would not discriminate against a candidate if he had no formal training but was a natural.

You have to understand the technology and what goes on under the hood. If the machine fails you need to know how to fix it. If you run into a problem and you can't go any further because you don't know what to so, it doesn't matter if you are the best editor in the world.

You have to establish the fine balance between being a video engineer and an artist. Practice, practice, practice... watch a lot of movies, dissect TV shows. Adapt the styles you like and advance them to make them your own. Most creative people I have met, hired or learned from had absolutely no formal training.

We are not doctors, we don’t require "certification" to do work. You just need to be really good at what you do.

I personally hire the best and pay top dollar because they do good work, don't complain, make me look good and get the job done.

Hope this helps,


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grinner hesterRe: Question for people using FCP in career.
by on Feb 2, 2010 at 3:23:34 pm

When you know it and can edit anything and respond to any demand, you are ready.
No certificatoin or degree can give you that. Only time int he chair can.



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Stephen SmithRe: Question for people using FCP in career.
by on Feb 2, 2010 at 4:21:57 pm

I agree with what Emre and Grinner said. A lot of editors don't have FCP certification or a degree. That doesn't make those options bad. They can be very helpful. I feel an option C that is really good is doing an internship, where you will gain so helpful real world experience. Best of luck.




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Ryan MastRe: Question for people using FCP in career.
by on Feb 2, 2010 at 5:13:27 pm

Depends on if you're trying to get a job or market yourself as a freelancer or a "production company." If you're taking the freelance route, I'd recommend that you know enough to a) get the job done, b) explain to a newbie what you're doing, and c) fix your own problems.

C) Something will break, or you'll find a "feature," or the client will give you content in a weird format... But never blame the software or your hardware -- especially in front of a client, because this makes you look like you're out of control. Most times, it's enough to know how to ask the Google for help and be fearless enough to fix issues on your own.

B) There's an optometrist who my parents took the whole family to for years. He's a good eye doctor, but my mom explained why she prefers him -- he explains things in a way that makes her feel smart. Explaining the process to your clients in a manner that makes them feel smart and involved (as much as they want to be) helps them feel comfortable with you.

I'm just a young'un... this is some of what's worked for me so far.

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Mike CohenRe: Question for people using FCP in career.
by on Feb 2, 2010 at 5:29:35 pm

Can you deliver a finished product that meets the client's requirements? This applies whether you are an editor, shooter, bricklayer or pastry chef.
And do you have the confidence in your own abilities to get the job done?

Certifications may have some meaning but I have yet to see that they make a difference in media production.

I call myself a project manager, and my certification is my experience. But when I listen to podcasts and search for books on the subject, many have to do with passing the PMI exam. In fact preparing people for the PMI exam is a business unto itself, so the PMI is important for those people, much like certifications in software is good for the people teaching the classes.

But if I had $2500 to spend on either a class or a computer with software and some books, I would choose the latter and just get to work learning what I don't know.

You can't teach someone to be creative - you can teach someone what buttons to push. Creativity is developed over time from being challenged.
I once knew a computer technician who actually hung his certification diplomas on his office wall. But ask him a question that fell outside of the precise facts and skills he learned and he was utterly useless.

Mike


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Andrew KimeryRe: Question for people using FCP in career.
by on Feb 3, 2010 at 12:13:11 am

[Mike Nax] "As for myself I'm studying video production, I've learned mostly from working on personal projects and the Apple certification book. "


The best way to learn is to get a job, any type of job, at a post and/or production facility near you and become a sponge. There's no substitute for working in the 'real world', IMO. There is so much that you don't even know you don't know until you get out, start working at a facility, and go, "Man... I don't know jack!" ;)

And once you've been out there for a while and seen what Editors do day in and day out you'll have a better understanding of what you need to know and what you need to do to edit professionally.


-Andrew

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Zane BarkerRe: Question for people using FCP in career.
by on Feb 3, 2010 at 6:30:08 am

[Mike Nax] "How much knowledge is enough before you can advertise yourself as
a video editor?"


Anyone out there can call themselves a a video editor, but its your demo reel that will prove it.

I've met people that call themselves video editors and yet when you look at what they have done frankly makes this video look professional.







Oh and yes those chimps can now call themselves film makers, but after watching their demo reel would you hire them.




Hindsight is always 1080p



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Kai CheongRe: Question for people using FCP in career.
by on Feb 7, 2010 at 4:46:14 pm

Even with 4 years of professional editing experience under my belt, I still often wonder whether I'm qualified to call myself an 'editor'. 'Cuz I do know I still don't know A LOT of stuff [esp. when I read the Cow and discover the enormous pool of experts out there].

Though sometimes I'll see the reels and works of people who are very eager to call themselves editors and seem to 'talk the talk', and I think to myself, "Hey, the stuff I do ain't any shabbier that this!"

Personally, I have a degree in Communications, which is not directly relevant to editing since I picked up the skills largely on my own. But it's something I feel contributes to the greater capabilities of an editor - in terms of communicating with clients/directors and also, having a meta picture of the whole production process.

Whatever it is, I think it's important to constantly evaluate where you stand - be it skills or professionalism wise, since with time and work, you should evolve. Maybe at this point for you, it's realistic to advertise yourself as someone willing to learn about the art/craft in a professional capacity and sees where that takes you. Be frank about what you know and hope to learn.

Kai
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Brynn SankeyRe: Question for people using FCP in career.
by on Feb 11, 2010 at 5:24:54 am

In my opinion, to call yourself a video editor requires proficiency with more than just one platform (FCP, for example). If you tell people you're a pro based on your experience with FCP and then get hired for a job that requires you to work with Avid, you're going to look very stupid indeed.



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David Roth WeissRe: Question for people using FCP in career.
by on Feb 11, 2010 at 6:51:59 am

[Brynn Sankey] "In my opinion, to call yourself a video editor requires proficiency with more than just one platform"

Sorry Brynn, but I wholeheartedly disagree with you. A real editor is storyteller, not a hardware and software jockey.

Sure, there's no such thing as too much knowledge, and it can't hurt to know enough to move between platforms, but that's just a little icing on the cake for those who can really use those tools to tell tales with pictures, words, and sound.

David Roth Weiss
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Brynn SankeyRe: Question for people using FCP in career.
by on Feb 11, 2010 at 3:45:51 pm

I agree with you David that editing is storytelling over hardware proficiency. My comments were meant more in addition to the contributions of others, I certainly wouldn't suggest that software/hardware proficiency is all that is required to call yourself a pro - far from it.

But I do agree with what Grinner said - "When you know it and can edit anything and respond to any demand, you are ready." And that takes proficiency as well as an ability to tell a visual story. If you're full of grand ideas but don't have the proficiency to match them, then in my opinion you're not ready to handle "any and every demand."



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David Roth WeissRe: Question for people using FCP in career.
by on Feb 13, 2010 at 7:44:50 pm

[Brynn Sankey] "I certainly wouldn't suggest that software/hardware proficiency is all that is required to call yourself a pro - far from it."

Okay, just wanted to clarify Brynn. It sounds like we're on the same page.

David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles

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Kai CheongRe: Question for people using FCP in career.
by on Feb 13, 2010 at 6:58:41 pm

I remember reading previous threads where other Cow members readily agree to a job using software they're not familiar with [esp. when they're just starting out]... then embark on an ambitious [sometimes just overnight] crash course on picking up basics of the software... and managing to pull off the job with flying colors.

Not that it's something I'd do at this point - I'm fairly upfront with the fact that I'm a one-trick pony in terms of NLE proficiency. But this hasn't been an issue since the local market has been very taken with this one trick of mine ie. FCP is very popular with production houses and FCP editors are in demand.

Though I'd like to think that apart from software proficiency [which I hope to build on in time to come], I bring to my profession as a video editor some more holistic and invisible skills and sensibilities.

Kai
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walter biscardiRe: Question for people using FCP in career.
by on Feb 13, 2010 at 7:55:47 pm

[Mike Nax] "How much knowledge is enough before you can advertise yourself as
a video editor?

Must I have a certification or Art Degree."


The knowledge of storytelling is far more important than the ability to drive software. Anybody can learn to push buttons, use filters and apply transitions from a book or a class.

The art of storytelling is what differentiates professionals from wannabes. When I consider any editor for a position with my company I go solely by their reel and recommendations. The resume shows me where you might have worked, but your reel tells me if you can tell a story. If it's full of filters, effects, and quick edits, I know you spent more time trying to impress me with your reel than with your skills. I like to see reels that have entire pieces on them so I can truly see what you can do.

I have hired people right out of college and also work with long time artists. In all cases, I look for storytellers.



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