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Mark Suszko
Descent into Madness
on Oct 5, 2009 at 6:57:46 pm

Throw away the Digital SLRs with DOF adapters and matte boxes and pitch those old fashioned RED cameras, gentlemen (and ladies)... BEHOLD!!!!!

http://www.markertek.com/Digital-Video-Production/Camera-Support-Stabilizer...


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David Roth Weiss
Re: Descent into Madness
on Oct 5, 2009 at 7:34:43 pm

And such a bargain too... Markertek is discounting it from $295.00 MSRP down to an incredibly low price of just $280.25. That clinches it, I'll buy several at that price.

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Mike Cohen
Re: Descent into Madness
on Oct 5, 2009 at 7:44:53 pm

Do you suppose Apple paid Zacuto to make this device? If you're going to spend $300 for a stabilizer, why not spend a bit more and get an actual VIDEO CAMERA. The whole point of shooting video with a PHONE is that it is a PHONE and you don't stand out in the crowd holding a VIDEO CAMERA.

I wonder if they make one for the Fisher Price camcorder. Anyone remember that one. It recorded to audio cassettes in black and white, but the picture was very shaky. A Zacuto stabilizer would have helped 7 year olds shoot much better video.

While we're on the subject, I hear Etch-a-Sketch is coming out with an interface for Photoshop.



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Todd Terry
Re: Descent into Madness
on Oct 5, 2009 at 7:58:48 pm

I remember a quote about the great cinematographer Roger Deakins from a few years ago, someone said that he was such an amazing DP that he "Could shoot a movie with a cell phone and it would look great."

Guess it will be getting easier for Roger.



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Mark Suszko
Re: Descent into Madness
on Oct 5, 2009 at 8:29:38 pm

If you have Fischer-Price "Pixelvision" camera, it is worth a lot of money on the collector's market, BTW.


Zacuto sells a "Budget" version of this pistol grip clamp for cell phones in the $60 range, but that one requires you to use your wrist to articulate it. How gauche'.

I was just kind of astonished by this product, and brought it up here because it signals to me that the trend towards smaller-faster and above all else cheaper is gathering momentum, but so is a mirror-image trend in accessories to make the crappy tools more impressive.

We talked about this in an earlier thread, prompted by a Wired magazine article called "good enough" or something like that. And yet even as we see the smaller-is-better trend, where video is now only considered "real" and "honest" when it is hand-held and viewed thru a dime-sized $5 lens, ironically here is Zacuto re-complicating it with this attachment thingie. Can an outboard extension tube for an optical eyepiece attachment be far behind? You thought that was a joke? Go see Zacuto's whole line, they already SELL something like it. Clamps onto your DSLR's back.

You see a trend in things like motorsports or sailing or airplane racing: the organizers want to re-invigorate a moribund niche of the sport/hobby/whatever, and they create a new category or formula designed to encourage low-dollar easy entry and bring in newcomers.

A season goes by, and human nature being what it is, folks start to find new "speed secrets" to hop-up or otherwise improve the "stock" platforms. Pretty soon the division or formula or category once again fills with high-tech-high-dollar versions of what was supposed to be "entry level" and "all-equal" one-design competitions, where the driver/pilot/captain was the only variable. And it begins again.

Now, in things like motorsports and boating, these cycles are what drive all the innovation that eventually filters into consumer and ordinary everyday users. ANd that's good.

In our business, we saw the initial wave of DV camcorders as the consumer/prosumer toys they mostly were, however, some of the trend-setters applied their well-honed skills to these "toys", using them with pro techniques, they got similar "pro" looks on less investment, and broke open the business and the way we do things.

Then the cycle reached up towards another peak, and we saw the counter-move to lower-tech, smaller, more mobile systems and products again, thigns like i-phones and flip cams. The inevitable follow-on is taking that grunge/low-fi stuff and tarting it up again with more doo-dads and add-ons until we will get something like a huge prime lens and DOF control box with a Flip USB cam velcroed to the back of it, being hailed as the next HD breakthru.

It just makes me alternately laugh and cry to think about it.


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David Roth Weiss
Re: Descent into Madness
on Oct 5, 2009 at 8:39:06 pm

[Mark Suszko] "It just makes me alternately laugh and cry to think about it."

They prescribe lithium for that Mark.

My trademark below only qualifies me to diagnose, but unfortunately not to prescribe, otherwise I'd have given you a professional discount.

David Roth Weiss
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Mark Suszko
Re: Descent into Madness
on Oct 5, 2009 at 8:51:00 pm

The iphone with this on it reminds me of this:



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Todd Terry
Re: Descent into Madness
on Oct 5, 2009 at 9:12:53 pm

Wait... isn't that Steve Wargo's car??

(Kidding you Steve)


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Steve Wargo
As a matter of fact...
on Oct 7, 2009 at 8:50:42 am

just bought a '64 Karmann Ghia yesterday and that's not it. Just tonight, at midnight, I tore the front end off of the Harley that I crashed on the freeway in April '06. That will be running in about a month and will be for sale.

Steve Wargo
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walter biscardi
Re: Descent into Madness
on Oct 5, 2009 at 8:46:01 pm

[Mark Suszko] "It just makes me alternately laugh and cry to think about it."

The "quality" of television these days make me alternately laugh and cry.

TZM.com. Really. We need to waste 30 minutes of television per day for this? But think how handy this iPhone contraption is going to be for this show......

And how many "My life with" series do we really need on E?

MTV. Do they even hire people who actually know how to shoot and edit anymore? Storytelling? Composition? Quality? What? iPhone is perfect for these shows.

I could go on, but I'm trying to figure out how to put this thing together so I can get my iPhone in there and go out to shoot my dog molly running around the park catching tennis balls. I figure 30 minutes of that set to the latest grunge band should be Emmy Award winning material....


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Bob Zelin
Re: Descent into Madness
on Oct 5, 2009 at 11:12:54 pm

Walter writes -

"MTV. Do they even hire people who actually know how to shoot and edit anymore? Storytelling? Composition? Quality? What? iPhone is perfect for these shows. "

Sadly, many of the MTV and VH1 reality shows are shot by "free labor", however are edited (or should I say assembled) by real editors. It's hard work plowing thru hundreds of hours of crap and coming up with anything.

Don't you know the expression - "even a 10 year old can do it" - well, now, the 5th grade class will be producing shows (with McDonalds as the sponsor) while "we" debate lossless compression in HD Codecs (while standing on the unemployment line).

Bob Zeiln






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Timothy J. Allen
Re: Descent into Madness
on Oct 7, 2009 at 6:30:46 pm

Bob said "the 5th grade class will be producing shows (with McDonalds as the sponsor) while "we" debate lossless compression"

Absolutely. My daughter is a videographer for her 4th grade class. She uses a DV camera that I would have killed for back in the late 90s. I believe they school is upgrading to at least HDV shooting format later this year. They have a daily TV program in the mornings instead of the usual announcements. I think you have to be in 6th grade to actually be an Editor, but you can start reporting and scriptwriting in 3rd grade. The scary thing is that the quality is not really that far off from some in-house corporate video announcement type things I've seen in the past.



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Jason Jenkins
Re: Descent into Madness
on Oct 6, 2009 at 2:38:57 am

[walter biscardi] "I figure 30 minutes of that set to the latest grunge band should be Emmy Award winning material...."

And be sure not to get permission to use that music.

Jason Jenkins

Flowmotion Media

Video production... with style!


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Bill Davis
Re: Descent into Madness - NOT so fast guys.
on Oct 6, 2009 at 3:41:45 am


It's a given that the Zacuto iPhone rig is silly. But I actually think it's a slightly nuts compendium of two legitimate ideas.

Proposition 1. My wife has a regular gig on local TV as the on-camera host of a segment where she uses her educational skills (former teacher and instructional specialist) to do lifestyle segments including money saving tips in this down economy. This is a major independent TV station that used to be the ABC affiliate - so it's no small cable operation. As a part of that gig, she regularly does some segments on where to find bargains at local small boutiques. On both the show and in her web column she regularly uses photos taken with... her iPhone. Which is my hand me down 2nd gen.-= not the newer higher density photo chip. The point of proposition 1 is that dismissing "small tech" because it's not "as good" as older, bigger tech is a slippery slope. She's using an iPhone for legitimate on-air work - albiet in a limited and sensible way. (Check out http://www.azfamily.com/yourlife and click on Live and Learn with Linda - for the article this week and the boutique photo attached is courtesy of her iPhone.)

Proposition 2 is that while Zacuto makes what I personally consider to be uncomfortably overpriced equipment - there IS a market for their wares and in an open competitive economy - they have the same right to sell their stuff as anyone else. The basic concept is that if someone does want to shoot video with their iPhone -why shouldn't there be a stabilizer for it? If they can find a customer base, more power to them.

Heck, Zacuto is one of the major players in the Canon 5dMk ii conversion to shoulder-rigged camcorder form market and since I own a 5d , I've got to tell you that used properly, the full frame 35mm sensor in that camera design is capable of INCREDIBLE video imagery. Seriously - near RED CAMERA pixel density at a fraction of the price.

So let's all not get too smug about this admittedly "at first blush" goofy little gizmo.

Someone working with view cameras probably said that about the original LEICA pocket film cams as well. And in hindsight - when small finally meets truly capable - the game will change yet again.

And we risk our own futures if we don't keep an open mind.

My 2 cents anyway.







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walter biscardi
Re: Descent into Madness
on Oct 6, 2009 at 4:02:57 am

[Jason Jenkins] "And be sure not to get permission to use that music. "

Dude. Garage Band. Midi Keyboard. 2 fingers. Should take me about 10 minutes to create the soundtrack, especially since I can't play music. Should sound pretty much like most of top 40 today.



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Mark Raudonis
Re: Descent into Madness
on Oct 6, 2009 at 4:51:44 am

[walter biscardi] "MTV"

Hey Walter, stop picking on MTV or I'll start picking on the food network.

Mark



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Steve Wargo
Emmy?
on Oct 7, 2009 at 8:52:34 am

[walter biscardi] "I figure 30 minutes of that set to the latest grunge band should be Emmy Award winning material...."

Make it a little longer and we're talking Oscar.



Steve Wargo
Tempe, Arizona
It's a dry heat!

Sony HDCAM F-900 & HDW-2000/1 deck
5 Final Cut (not quite PRO) systems
Sony HVR-M25 HDV deck
2-Sony EX-1 HD .

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Steve Wargo
It's not professional...
on Oct 7, 2009 at 8:47:47 am

No MatteBox. Gotta have a mattebox.

Steve Wargo
Tempe, Arizona
It's a dry heat!

Sony HDCAM F-900 & HDW-2000/1 deck
5 Final Cut (not quite PRO) systems
Sony HVR-M25 HDV deck
2-Sony EX-1 HD .

Ask me how to Market Yourself using Send Out Cards


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Mike Cohen
Re: It's not professional...
on Oct 7, 2009 at 2:42:13 pm

I just innovated a stabilizing rig for my Blackberry. Especially useful for use in the kitchen. Someone call Alton Brown.



You can get sweeping crane shots if you use a potholder - it dampens the vibrations.

Mike



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Ron Lindeboom
Re: It's not professional...
on Oct 7, 2009 at 2:53:11 pm

Mike,

We have a wonderful patent attorney that works alongside our trademarks and intellectual property attorney, if you wish to patent this amazing idea.

Bessie may want to work with you to market it, should you get a patent pending on this.

Mike, as always, you are ever the genius.

Ron Lindeboom


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Steve Wargo
Re: It's not professional...
on Oct 7, 2009 at 3:30:33 pm

[Mike Cohen] "I just innovated a stabilizing rig for my Blackberry"

Damn! I wish I'd come up with that.

Steve Wargo
Tempe, Arizona
It's a dry heat!

Sony HDCAM F-900 & HDW-2000/1 deck
5 Final Cut (not quite PRO) systems
Sony HVR-M25 HDV deck
2-Sony EX-1 HD .

Ask me how to Market Yourself using Send Out Cards


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David Roth Weiss
Re: It's not professional...
on Oct 7, 2009 at 7:39:53 pm

[Mike Cohen] "I just innovated a stabilizing rig for my Blackberry. Especially useful for use in the kitchen. Someone call Alton Brown. "

Mike,

I tried to get you an official Cow prize for your post, which I believe is in the running for one of the best-ever Cow posts of all time. But, Ron said that the Gulfstream-5 jet I proposed as the prize was not fuel efficient enough. So, I'm very sorry, but the unofficial prize I whipped-up will have to suffice until the Cow can come up with something a bit more elegant.

David



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Mike Cohen
Re: It's not professional...
on Oct 7, 2009 at 8:13:44 pm

Nice. Coming from David (TM) Roth (R) Weiss (©) that's a big compliment!


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David Roth Weiss
Re: It's not professional...
on Oct 7, 2009 at 8:31:52 pm

My pleasure...


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