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Ross HansbergerA compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Aug 26, 2007 at 3:01:43 pm

I recently stumbled across this post on craig's list (atlanta).

I'm still shaking my head.

"I am looking for 2, very professional (important), highly qualified videographers to film for 8 hours next Friday and Saturday, Aug 31st-Sept 1st. Qualified applicants must have at least 2 years experience or bachelors, must posess their own HVX200 or better, and have internet demo reel and professional resume. Written or verbal references a plus. This will be a NON-PAYING assignment but we will be serving pizza and chicken for lunch both days (we ask that each crew member bring a side) and you will get the pride in knowing you were involved in such a meaningful and uplifting project (rap video). Must have own transportation (don't come to us begging for gas money). Serious applicants only."

Feel free to reply to his request, but do it quickly as I am sure he is getting a tremendous response from his add. But please remember to bring a side and for god's sake be professional and don't beg for gas!!!

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/tfr/406329011.html





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walter biscardiRe: A compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Aug 26, 2007 at 3:12:35 pm

I absolutely love the end. "Serious Applicants Only." You know, because the entire thing smacks of a serious production, no?

I mean only a Serious Production would not pay anyone.

Only a Serious Production would offer to feed people pizza and chicken with no sides.

Only a Serious Production would make a point of not paying anything for gas.

Only a Serious Production would call a music video an "uplifting project."

Only a Serious Production would demand an HVX-200 or better for a non-paying project.

Only a Serious Production would demand that you bring all the bells and whistles to a project and expect nothing in return.



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Ron LindeboomRe: A compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Aug 26, 2007 at 4:17:00 pm


You needn't get out of the business because of stuff like this.

The one(s) answering this will likely be the ones leaving the business soon enough, so no need to fret.

Also, I can't say that I know anyone who makes their living from reading and getting their jobs from Craig's List or other job boards -- even the COW's. Sure, you can get the odd job here and there using lists but the real business is done the old fashioned way, where there is no substitute for hard work, perseverance, building connections and knowing your market, etc., etc.

But hey, pizza and chicken and I get to pay my own gas, too??? Now that sounds, well, er, um, that sounds worth the flight to Atlanta. "Kathlyn, pack up the camera, sweetie. I'll get everything else ready. We're doing a meaningful rap video! Wahoo!"

Ron Lindeboom


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Ross HansbergerRe: A compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Aug 26, 2007 at 4:35:00 pm

Hey Ron. Please read "a compelling reason to get out of the business" with tongue in cheek. Craig's list job board is a wonderful morning read with coffee. I like to read it as one would read the daily funnies.

I look forward to seeing you and Kathy here in Atlanta enjoying that uplifting pizza and chicken.


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walter biscardiRe: A compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Aug 26, 2007 at 4:45:51 pm

[Ross Hansberger] "I look forward to seeing you and Kathy here in Atlanta enjoying that uplifting pizza and chicken."

No, no, no, the uplifting pizza and chicken is up here at Lake Lanier! You stop by Popeye's for the Chicken and Cardamuro's for the Pizza and then uplift it to the boat whereupon you beach it on an island in the Lake and offer praise for the good food and good friends to share it with! :-)

Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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Tim WilsonRe: A compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Aug 26, 2007 at 4:52:57 pm

See, now here I was with a bunch of side dishes, wondering what to do with them.

This is the best news I've heard all week.


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walter biscardiRe: A compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Aug 26, 2007 at 5:05:29 pm

[Tim Wilson] "See, now here I was with a bunch of side dishes, wondering what to do with them."

there goes my coffee spewing all over the place again........ brilliant!

Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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Marco SolorioRe: A compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Aug 26, 2007 at 6:04:28 pm

LMAO!!! Yeah, and I wont be begging for gas money because I just filled up the tank last night and I'm just itching to deplete it into the ozone. If anyone wants a lift, let me know and I'll pick you up! We can eat the sides on the way!

ROAD TRIP!!!!!

Hey Ross, that's gotta be one of the funniest Craig's List posts I've ever seen. How would anyone of the face of the Earth that owns a $6k camera (for just the camera itself, mind you!) would shoot a rap video for chicken and pizza??!!! LMFAO!!!!!!!!

My vote for top 10 posts of the year. Awesome.

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shorelinedigitalRe: A compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Aug 27, 2007 at 12:04:54 pm

I don't think you even need to worry about gas because the job with be SO uplifting you'll float there!

Tom Chartrand
ShorelineDigital


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Bruce Bennett in Madison, WIRe: A compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Aug 27, 2007 at 11:30:17 am

[walter biscardi] "stop by Popeye's for the Chicken and Cardamuro's for the Pizza"

Walter,

OK if I bring Zaxby's chicken instead and a pot of Brunswick stew from Old McDonald's?

Yum Yum,
Bruce

Bruce Bennett,
Bennett Marketing & Media Production, LLC - http://www.bmmp.com


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David Roth WeissRe: A compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Aug 26, 2007 at 5:03:49 pm

[Ron Lindeboom] "We're doing a meaningful rap video!"

Ron,

I think this guy is getting "a bum rap." Come on, he's creating the first "meaningful and uplifting" rap video ever on planet Earth. This could very well reshape art as we know it...

And, he's paying with pizza and chicken... Keep in mind, our government isn't printing pepperoni and chicken tenders like they're going out of style--food items are probably appreciating, while greenbacks are going down, down, down...

David

David Roth Weiss
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Los Angeles

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John DavidsonRe: A compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Aug 26, 2007 at 11:44:39 pm

OMG, you guys, I HAVE an HVX200 AND can pay my own gas. Will anybody give me a referral? I really don't want to miss this gig.

I think it's safe to say that the guy that made that post has a very sad, sad life.

John Davidson____ writer | producer | director____http://www.magicfeather.tv


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walter biscardiRe: A compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Aug 27, 2007 at 12:00:58 am

[John Davidson] "OMG, you guys, I HAVE an HVX200 AND can pay my own gas. Will anybody give me a referral? I really don't want to miss this gig."

Dear Producer of inspiring Rap project.

I can vouch for John Davidson's incredible skill in his field. He is an amazing entertainer who made his Broadway debut in 1964 but is probably best known for his 80 appearances hosting The Tonight Show on NBC. He has developed an on-going Vegas show with Vicki Carr that continues to wow audiences to this day. Though Videography came late to John, his wealth of experience as an Entertainer and amazing singer should prove worthy for your inspiring project. His HVX-200 does meet your requirements and he is also willing to use a battery so the camera will be turned on during your production.

Mr. Davidson is also willing to provide a side of mashed potatoes for two other crew members on one of the days of photography. His Yugo is full of gas and is available for stunt work if needed.

Thank you for your consideration.

Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Grand Poobah of all things that are Creative in this World.
Friend of all inspiring projects worldwide
willworkforsides.com

Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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Timothy J. AllenRe: A compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Aug 27, 2007 at 2:03:10 am

Hey I'm very professional and (important)! I think I'll call them up...

[dialing]
[click]

"Hello?"
...
"Yes, Hello? I'm calling about the position you posted on Craigslist..."

"Am I available next Friday and Saturday? Sure!"
...
"Yes, I have about 15 years of production experience..."
...
"I can bring my HD VariCam, if that works for you."
...
"Yes, I can get my demo and resume to you right away."
...
"References? No problem.. You'll see that I've spent the last decade and a half building a stellar reputation. "
...
"Transportation? Yes, I have my own."
...
"Well...actually it's a Minivan."
...
[I'm sensing a lost opportunity] ...It's a Dodge Caravan... (trying to recover)...but the stereo system in it is killer!
...
"Well, my cousin has a '79 Impala convertible with a great new paint job. I'll ask him if I can use it that day, if you need it for the shoot."
...
"Side items? Um... well... Does garlic butter for the pizza count?"
...
"It doesn't? Well, see, I'm just not much of a cook..."
...
"Well, I never really thought that would be part of the interview, sir." [Voice in my head] "Uh oh... another snag in the interview, Get it together, Tim! RECOVER!!! YOU NEED THIS JOB FOR THE KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU WILL HAVE THAT YOU PLAYED A ROLE IN SUCH AN UPLIFTING AND MEANINGFUL PROJECT!!!

"If John Davidson brings the potatoes, can I bring like... I don't know... napkins or something?!?!!
...
"Oh... you just need potatoes... and corn. I see. That's why you advertised for two videographers. Yes, I understand. Just potatoes and corn... and the Impala...
...
"No napkins needed, then?"
...
"The audio guy is bringing them? O.k., then."
...
"I guess I'll just be glad that I still have my day job at NASA."
...
"Oh, by the way... since I'm not the one you are looking for, I was just wondering, couldn't you divert some of the budget that you saved from not paying your crew towards the food?"
...
"No?"
...
"Oh. I see....You have to use it for the "mad bling". What's "mad bling?"

[click]

(Can't believe he hung up on me. So rude.)


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John DavidsonRe: A compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Aug 27, 2007 at 7:38:53 pm

Thanks guys! OMG, I'm so excited. I wonder who the artist is. Nelly? 50 Cent? Outkast?

I've been watching lots of Stryper and Amy Grant music videos to prepare! These guys are gonna LOVE me!

John Davidson____ writer | producer | director____http://www.magicfeather.tv


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Steve WargoRe: A compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Aug 28, 2007 at 7:14:20 am

P.T. Barnum said it well: "There's a sucker born every minute."


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Tim KolbRe: A compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Aug 27, 2007 at 1:58:44 am

That may be the most...

AMAZING thing I've read in some time.

Anything else I can think of to say isn't fit to print.


Wow.





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AlexHuber69Re: A compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Aug 27, 2007 at 2:57:44 am

Oh for cripessake... I was all set to apply for this gig. But DAMMIT, I can't find my deviled egg tray.


A.






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MargusRe: A compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Aug 27, 2007 at 4:27:28 am

It is generally as good as one boss sayed to hes workers:
"We most certanly supply you with work. Why are you wining?"

There was no talk at all for overtime payment and wacation :)




--

Margus

http://iconstudios.eu


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Heath DesignsRe: A compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Aug 27, 2007 at 2:23:17 pm

I'd love to be part of such a meaningful Project but i can't fit all my production equipment and my paper plates and 10 gallons of green bean casserole in my honda without being a danger to those around me...

I'd venture to say that anyone who shows up with THAT camera for a non paying rap video gig, shouldn't be expecting to come back with it. If they come back at all. Sounds uplifting...as in uplifting you over the railing and into the river with a lovely new pair of concrete shoes. Hope you're straight OG.


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Todd at Fantastic PlasticRe: A compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Aug 27, 2007 at 2:59:19 pm

I just wish that I had time and energy to track down this shoot, sit on the sidelines, and just watch for an hour or so.

I'm betting it would be a bit entertaining.


T2

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Creative Director
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fantasticplastic.com






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Ron LindeboomRe: A compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Aug 27, 2007 at 4:34:31 pm

[Heath Designs] "I'd love to be part of such a meaningful Project but i can't fit all my production equipment and my paper plates and 10 gallons of green bean casserole in my honda without being a danger to those around me..."

Kathlyn and I had headed out to the car with a rented HVX200 we had secured for the engagement but then I tripped and spilled the onion dip we were bringing all over it and just now I put it in the dish washer to clean it up. Thankfully, we have the Jet-Dri so that it won't leave spots on the lens.

I hate when that happens.

I hope we can make the shoot time. After all, we love to take part in meaningful shoots like this.

Ron Lindeboom


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Dean SensuiRe: A compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Aug 27, 2007 at 7:25:42 pm

This guy claims to be putting together a serious production, but really now -- pizza and chicken? What sort of half-hearted offer is this? It should be pizza and BEER.

Either this guy's new to this country or he's never been on a softball team.

Dean Sensui -- Imagination Media Hawaii


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Mike CohenRe: A compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Aug 27, 2007 at 7:45:18 pm

Sorry I'm late for this party. Can I bring potato salad? Is anyone else bringing potato salad? I am very serious about my work and would be honored to be part of this project, as long as my aunt Minne's potato salad has a prominent place on the buffet table. Hey do you need a table? I could go buy some tables.

Seriously, I think the thread should be renamed "A Compelling Reason to be wary of Craigslist"

Sure you can get some legit work and even hire people off that site, but it is also full of idiots and scams. I would not judge the industry by a few bad posts.

Mike


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walter biscardiRe: A compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Aug 27, 2007 at 8:08:35 pm

[Mike Cohen] "Hey do you need a table? I could go buy some tables."

No worries, I got a couple of folding tables. I'll throw those alongside John Davidson and the mashed potatoes.

Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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Bruce Bennett in Madison, WIRe: It's Vaporized
by on Aug 27, 2007 at 9:34:10 pm

[Ross Hansberger] "http://atlanta.craigslist.org/tfr/406329011.html"

Go to the link :)

This posting has been flagged for removal
(The title on the listings page will be removed in just a few minutes.)



Bruce Bennett,
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Marco SolorioRe: It's Vaporized
by on Aug 27, 2007 at 9:47:30 pm

Yes, but it'll live on the Cow forever, MUAAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!

;-)

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Chuck RetiRe: It's Vaporized
by on Aug 28, 2007 at 3:32:37 am

Like the Undead, it's baaaack....
and now, to make sure Mr or Ms Right shows up on shoot day, they want "only the best,"
so enough from you wannabes out there with the potatoes and the deviled eggs.
Me, I'll bring a nice broccoli and cheese casserole (with cornflake topping).

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/tfr/407709609.htm




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Don GreeningRe: It's Vaporized
by on Aug 28, 2007 at 7:44:30 am

On again, off again. Seems to have disappeared for the moment. Are we seeing a trend in the making?

- Don


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Ron LindeboomRe: It's Vaporized
by on Aug 28, 2007 at 8:20:45 am

[Don Greening] "Are we seeing a trend in the making?"

Yes, indeed we are. This, as I have an upcoming job and will be taking the one with the best resume "side dish" and so far, that's Chuck Reti with his broccoli and cheese casserole with the cornflake topping.

A true craftsman is never without a great side dish.

Ron "My specialty is paper-wrapped chicken" Lindeboom


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Bruce Bennett in Madison, WIRe: It's Vaporized
by on Aug 28, 2007 at 12:19:40 pm

[Ron Lindeboom] "A true craftsman is never without a great side dish."

I've been trying to come up with a slogan for BMMP and I think you've done it for me! Now, according to the COW's copyright threads, I should write up some kind of work for hire agreement with appropriate payment. How's $5,0000 sound for the slogan AND recipe?

LOL,
Bruce


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Bennett Marketing & Media Production, LLC - http://www.bmmp.com


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Don GreeningRe: It's Vaporized
by on Aug 28, 2007 at 4:27:40 pm

Okay. Has no one else seen the potential here except myself? I believe we should pool our Cow Community resources and come up with our own video. Goodness knows there's enough talent floating around the forums to make it happen. The name of the video is a no-brainer: "Chicken Rap". With a Hendrix flavour. Lets have it ready for next year's NAB and playing on an endless loop at the COW booth.

Ron, if you decide to go for it, well dammit it son, I'm THERE. And the name of the rap group? Again. a no-brainer: "Ron and the Side Dishes." Because the COW is your place.

- Don


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Heath DesignsRe: It's Vaporized
by on Aug 28, 2007 at 4:30:25 pm

I'm in, i am in dallas but let me know what i can do, besides the green bean cassorole. I want to be a part of this shindig!


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walter biscardiRe: It's Vaporized
by on Aug 28, 2007 at 4:41:44 pm

[Don Greening] "Ron, if you decide to go for it, well dammit it son, I'm THERE. And the name of the rap group? Again. a no-brainer: "Ron and the Side Dishes." Because the COW is your place."

Ooooo, oooo, ooo, I want to be a Side Dish!!!

Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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ArniepixRe: It's Vaporized
by on Aug 29, 2007 at 2:36:59 am

[walter biscardi] "Ooooo, oooo, ooo, I want to be a Side Dish!!!"

Shouldn't that be "Woo, Woo, Woooooo! I wanna be a side dish!"

Where are the Pips when you need them?

Arnie

Now in post: Peristroika, a film by Slava Tsukerman

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Kathlyn LindeboomRe: It's Vaporized
by on Aug 28, 2007 at 5:36:03 pm

[Chuck Reti] "Like the Undead, it's baaaack...."

All right!!! I was worried as I had planned to bring dessert. No one has mentioned dessert, but, hey, life is short... right...

eat dessert first!

Anyway, I thought I'd bring my famous "Death By Chocolate". Sort of goes with the Undead thingie...



Although, I'm not sure Ron and I would actually make it if I brought the "Death by Chocolate" mousse cake.



Kathlyn Lindeboom
The Mistress of Mmmooooo


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beenyweeniesRe: A compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Aug 28, 2007 at 4:35:58 pm

As Ron pointed out, Craigslist is a HORRIBLE place to get business. It is the first stop for the grinders who hope to get everything done for free/dirt cheap, so this listing is no surprise at all.

Brendan Coots

Splitvision Digital

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George SockaRe: A compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Aug 29, 2007 at 12:38:17 am

And if you can't get a non paying gig there, try mandy.com



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walter biscardiRe: A compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Aug 29, 2007 at 12:51:17 am

[George Socka] "try mandy.com"

But I sent her away. Oh.

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Tim WilsonRe: A compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Aug 29, 2007 at 7:30:40 am

[walter biscardi] "But I sent her away. Oh."

Dude, she gave without taking! You need her.


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George SockaRe: A compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Aug 29, 2007 at 12:35:12 pm

Took a minute to figure out what the heck he was talking about



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Ron LindeboomRe: A compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Aug 29, 2007 at 6:41:34 pm


We are trying to prove how lame we all are by quoting Barry Manilow lyrics (actually Will Jennings' lyrics, to a Richard Kerr song).

It's a new low for the COW.

:o)

Ron Lindeboom


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Marco SolorioRe: A compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Aug 29, 2007 at 8:22:33 pm

[Ron Lindeboom] "We are trying to prove how lame we all are by quoting Barry Manilow lyrics (actually Will Jennings' lyrics, to a Richard Kerr song)."


What's wrong with Barry Manilow?






[ducks, covers and runs like hell]



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Tim WilsonRe: A compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Aug 29, 2007 at 8:55:05 pm

It's Barry Manilow's world. We're lucky he lets us live in it.

Note the absence of a smiley face, maybe my only post without one. I'm not kidding about this.


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Tim KolbRe: A compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Aug 29, 2007 at 8:55:07 pm

Well...for one, in that picture he looks like he's coming for our children...

Otherwise, he has made an incredible contribution to elevator playlists everywhere.







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Jim on cameraRe: A compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Sep 5, 2007 at 9:26:34 pm

Wow, that is hilarious! Some folks have kept the ball rolling, if you have a moment check out some other gig posts in the Atlanta listings. Around August 27th.

Thanks for the laugh,
Jim


Jim Mulleder
Level Horizon Productions


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Proper ModulationRe: A compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Nov 15, 2007 at 3:41:16 pm

Holy crap..haha..

That wasn't as bad as SOME I've seen, but "BRING A SIDE"??...wow!

Haha


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Darren WilliamsRe: A compelling reason to get out of the business
by on Aug 5, 2008 at 7:18:58 pm

I'm going to do a rap video about this thread of posts...

Darren Williams
Hawkeye Productions
http://www.hawkeyeproductions.com

Darren Williams
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