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Joe Marler
Re: Markers or Metadata - The Debate!
on May 1, 2017 at 2:06:50 pm

[Oliver Peters] "He seemed to imply that Vashi's technique would be less useful with non-scripted content."

I think it is less useful in those cases. The fact that documentaries have been made using traditional editing & organizational methods since 1922 doesn't change this. Frederick Wiseman edited his 1968 High School documentary by himself -- but it was shot on a single 16mm Bolex camera, and only used a 25:1 shooting ratio: http://www.zipporah.com/films/21

For Titicut Follies he shot 37 hr and his shooting ratio was 26:1, however it took him 14 months to edit: http://www.zipporah.com/films/22

When Ken Burns edited The Civil War, he said "it took more than two years of absolutely solid work, with ten or twelve of us working six days a week, ten hours a day". It was edited on a flatbed Steenbeck. Yet it was "only" 50,000 ft of 16mm film, which at 24 fps and 36 feet per min equates to 23 hours of material:
http://www.btlnews.com/crafts/post-production/technicolor-postworks-helps-r...
https://archive.org/stream/Documentary_Filmmakers_Speak/Documentary_Filmmak...

If Wiseman had access to GoPros and flash-storage cameras he'd have probably used them. In 1988, if Burns had access to a MAM he might have used it, which would have shortened the two-year edit time.

We have those today, and shooting ratios can be over 300:1 for docs, but in many cases we're still using organizational methods from prior eras.

Vashi's demonstration was really good, highly informative and a pleasure to watch. The fact he cut 6k Red Raw natively was impressive, although it took a dual-socket 40 core machine.

I just don't think this organizational method is efficiently scalable to larger productions and higher shooting ratios, esp. docs. The fact these were previously done using primitive methods doesn't validate this workflow in the modern era. It would actually be good to have more info on what asset management methods are being used today. This aspect is usually given little coverage in these "behind the scenes" accounts.


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