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The most disturbing thing....
The most disturbing thing....
by Russell Lasson on Jun 27, 2011 at 4:53:27 pm

Media Management and Organization!

This discribes it best: (sorry if someone already posted this)


Russell Lasson
Colorist/Digital Cinema Specialist
Color Mill
Salt Lake City, UT

Re: The most disturbing thing....
by Chris Kenny on Jun 27, 2011 at 5:00:28 pm

[Russell Lasson] "Media Management and Organization!

Article summary: Author tries to make FCP X's organization features work like FCP 7's, gets frustrated that this doesn't work well (because the entire approach to clip organization has changed), declares this makes FCP X bad.

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Re: The most disturbing thing....
by John-Michael Seng-Wheeler on Jun 27, 2011 at 5:19:42 pm

What would be great is if it had both Keywords, AND bins... that would be great.

Re: The most disturbing thing....
by Tom Wolsky on Jun 27, 2011 at 5:51:44 pm

It does, only they're called folders, which is what they look like. You can make folders in the Event library and in the project library and move events or smarty collections or keyword collections into them.

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Re: The most disturbing thing....
by Douglas K. Dempsey on Jun 27, 2011 at 5:38:15 pm

This is one of the things that actually appeals to me about FCPX. I guess it depends on how your brain works. My wife claims that I don't use hierarchy-organized filing well (folders within folders). I seem to only understand where things are when they are laid out in front of me.

Even so I have forced my self to keep bins and sub-bins in FCP7.

But I often find myself pulling clips into bins as a way of "selecting" and narrowing down, just as the article describes. EXCEPT that I often don't like having to dig down into selects or specifically named bins for shots, stills, music, SFX etc that can actually be used elsewhere.

So I end up making the hated SUBCLIPS for my select bins, with the "parent clip" existing at the top level.

So the new method is better. If you use iPhoto or iTunes you quickly get used to the idea of searching your entire Library when you forget things. But most of the time, you have moved things into Events or Playlists, ordered as you wish... and then Duplicated, Renamed and Re-ordered as you further edit, winnow out, narrow down and re-purpose your material.

The only valid complaint I have heard about FCPX in this regard is the clumsy and unsophisticated Media Management when you want to duplicate a project, or give a copy of the project to someone else, along with your media drive. The Reconnect offline media issues sounds frightening. I haven't tried it yet; I'll wait until I see a workflow on COW's FCPX Techniques forum.

Doug D

Re: The most disturbing thing....
by Peter J. DeCrescenzo on Jun 28, 2011 at 12:24:08 am

"Thank You For Smoking"


Re: The most disturbing thing....
by Dave Barnard on Jun 28, 2011 at 2:15:33 am

At least FCP7's media management allowed it to share projects on a SAN, a fundamental requirement for most post production facilities.

Dave Barnard
London, UK

Re: The most disturbing thing....
by Chris Walsh on Jun 27, 2011 at 6:00:11 pm

Thanks for posting. Despite the sardonic tone, the author seems to have tried to make the new event structure work, and seems pretty familiar with similar Apple libraries (Aperture, etc.).

To break a basic organizational metaphor, the bin, that existed before video, let alone NLE's, seems unnecessarily cruel. More keywords are better, sometimes, but bins work wonderfully, and not just for editors.

This would drive me crazy...I don't mind learning a new paradigm or software. I mean, I'm going to have to learn new software now that FCS is EOL. Apple is forcing me to pick which new software to learn. FCPX, with its stated limitations and uncertain future release timeline. Adobe, with the payoff of transparent AE integration and speed. Or Avid, which I used and loved years ago. And yes, Apple is forcing me, because sooner or later FC 7 will cease to work for me, maybe it will be Lion or a hardware update, or a new client, but something will come down the line that it can't do, that I need to do. I don't see why they had to scuttle the ship.

Chris Walsh
Silver Spring, MD
Final Cut & AVID MC5
Former Windows User and edit* lover

Re: The most disturbing thing....
by Tom Daigon on Jun 28, 2011 at 2:34:45 am

Give Adobe a test drive. Its like hoping into a FCP 7 that someone supercharged just the way you like it. ;-)

Tom Daigon
Avid DS / FCP / After Effects Editor

Re: The most disturbing thing....
by Jean-Fran├žois Robichaud on Jun 28, 2011 at 2:01:21 pm

Well i've got only one thing to say to the author of that blog...

New rule: RTFM before writing a blog complaining about a new piece of software.