Apple Final Cut Pro X Debates Forum
Why you'll buy Adobe CC
Why you'll buy Adobe CC
by John Kaley on May 7, 2013 at 8:10:56 pm

You will have to buy Adobe CC whether you want to or not. Have you ever had a client send you a .PSD or .AI file for use in an edit and had to modify it? Pay up, sucker!


Re: Why you'll buy Adobe CC
by Shane Ross on May 7, 2013 at 8:26:53 pm

Or keep the versions we currently have....

Shane
Little Frog Post
Read my blog, Little Frog in High Def


Re: Why you'll buy Adobe CC
by John Kaley on May 7, 2013 at 8:40:47 pm

Right. As long as CS 6.5 keeps opening up CC7, CC8, CC9....etc.




Re: Why you'll buy Adobe CC
by Shane Ross on May 7, 2013 at 8:44:04 pm

I have a very old Photoshop version...CS I think...like CS1...on an old laptop I let the kids use. It still opens PSD docs made on current versions of PS. PPro might be different...but so far, PS is backwards compatible.

Shane
Little Frog Post
Read my blog, Little Frog in High Def


Re: Why you'll buy Adobe CC
by Oliver Peters on May 7, 2013 at 8:51:45 pm

Plenty of users run old versions of Photoshop or After Effects and are quite happy doing so. I see lots of CS5 installations (and older) all over town.

I get that CC is potentially a really good deal for Adobe "power users", but I'm not sure that's true if you use Photoshop to occasionally open a client's files. Most of those can be prepped beforehand to not require compatibility with the latest, greatest version, when it gets to the editor. In fact, I know plenty of editors who only own Photoshop Elements.

The interesting effect will be on the potential "new market" of Premiere Pro users. If they come from a heavy AE background, then yes they will likely hop on board the CC wagon. OTOH, if you are an FCP7-refugee and NOT an AE-power user, will CC have appeal?

- Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
www.oliverpeters.com


Re: Why you'll buy Adobe CC
by John Kaley on May 7, 2013 at 9:00:05 pm

Man, Adobe really has been sticking it to me after all these years of upgrading. Whodda thought that all I needed all along was CS1. Thanks for the tip!


Re: Why you'll buy Adobe CC
by Shane Ross on May 7, 2013 at 9:01:03 pm

Well, later versions have newer and better features. But simply opening PSD files...one doesn't need the latest and greatest.

Shane
Little Frog Post
Read my blog, Little Frog in High Def


Re: Why you'll buy Adobe CC
by Andy Neil on May 7, 2013 at 9:24:22 pm

Maybe not PSDs, but I've had issues opening .ai files created on newer versions of Illustrator from what I own.

Andy

http://www.timesavertutorials.com


Re: Why you'll buy Adobe CC - A case for After Effects only?
by Christian Schumacher on May 7, 2013 at 9:32:12 pm

There's also an option of buying After Effects only...It's a terrific video design package right there! For what? 240 one year? Not bad. You get the cloud add-ons. You can have it loaded on two machines at the same time and it's even OS agnostic! AE also works as a conduit. You open PSDs, Ais and even Premiere projects! You get to import/export in a myriad of choices, FCP 7 and AVID support included. And I strongly believe that this will get even much better from now on, they only can improve their collaboration. Yeah, I know Ae crashes on CMYK ;) but there's this: http://www.cmyk2rgb.com/


Re: Why you'll buy Adobe CC
by TImothy Auld on May 7, 2013 at 9:38:27 pm

As Mr, Spock was always fond of saying: There are always alternatives,

Tim


Re: Why you'll buy Adobe CC
by Aindreas Gallagher on May 7, 2013 at 10:13:31 pm

he sings a mean bilbo baggins too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WPkByAkAdZs

http://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics


Re: Why you'll buy Adobe CC
by Alex Hawkins on May 8, 2013 at 2:38:16 am

[Shane Ross] "I have a very old Photoshop version...CS I think...like CS1...on an old laptop I let the kids use. It still opens PSD docs made on current versions of PS. PPro might be different...but so far, PS is backwards compatible."

Premiere Pro IS different. 5.5 will not open any 6 projects and so on down the line . . .

It is not backwards compatible.

Alex Hawkins
Canberra, Australia


Re: Why you'll buy Adobe CC
by Greg Andonian on May 8, 2013 at 4:55:35 am

[Alex Hawkins] "Premiere Pro IS different. 5.5 will not open any 6 projects and so on down the line . . .

It is not backwards compatible."


You can't open a Premiere Pro PROJECT from the latest version in an earlier one, but if you export it to XML you can take it as far back as CS5.

______________________________________________
"Up until here, we still have enough track to stop the locomotive before it plunges into the ravine... But after this windmill it's the future or bust."


Re: Why you'll buy Adobe CC
by Alex Hawkins on May 9, 2013 at 12:33:25 am

[Greg Andonian] "You can't open a Premiere Pro PROJECT from the latest version in an earlier one, but if you export it to XML you can take it as far back as CS5."

Yes that is correct but it's hardly what you'd call majorly backwards compatible is it.

Alex Hawkins
Canberra, Australia


Re: Why you'll buy Adobe CC
by Aindreas Gallagher on May 7, 2013 at 9:04:52 pm

I think I figured what I'd do for now is just get Premiere.

I had a bit of an epiphany that I could care less about having online access to colour wheels, 20GB of storage (hello, 2009 called: it wants its headline back) and also that I probably don't care about what adobe do to photoshop over the next three revs (didn't really care that much about the last three, CS4 was generally horrible though) or roughly the next two revs of AE. Not that we're getting revs anymore.

Illustrator, indesign, epiphany, Kular, that stupid pen, Flash, dreamweaver - they can all go take a jump in a well. I've got production premium CS6 paid on my dock - in terms of AE and PS - that'll do me for donkeys. They are both extremely, to put it mildly, mature applications.
Half of me privately thinks adobe are tapped out updating this suite as a product to sell. photoshop is at ver14 for god's sake.
I think they just want to sit back and lick the jar on rental fees at this point.

As freelance I nearly always originate mograph stuff, or i'm just using client software. Half of London is still on CS5.5 as it is.

So the creative cloud can get stuffed, bar premiere - thats the only one I care about as live software. costs me around 8 quid a month this year, and about 14 quid a month next year. That I reckon, is what adobe get off me.

http://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics


Re: Why you'll buy Adobe CC
by Steve Connor on May 7, 2013 at 9:27:10 pm

[Aindreas Gallagher] "I think I figured what I'd do for now is just get Premiere.

I had a bit of an epiphany that I could care less about having online access to colour wheels, 20GB of storage (hello, 2009 called: it wants its headline back) and also that I probably don't care about what adobe do to photoshop over the next three revs (didn't really care that much about the last three, CS4 was generally horrible though) or roughly the next two revs of AE. Not that we're getting revs anymore.

Illustrator, indesign, epiphany, Kular, that stupid pen, Flash, dreamweaver - they can all go take a jump in a well. I've got production premium CS6 paid on my dock - in terms of AE and PS - that'll do me for donkeys. They are both extremely, to put it mildly, mature applications.
Half of me privately thinks adobe are tapped out updating this suite as a product to sell. photoshop is at ver14 for god's sake.
I think they just want to sit back and lick the jar on rental fees at this point.

As freelance I nearly always originate mograph stuff, or i'm just using client software. Half of London is still on CS5.5 as it is.

So the creative cloud can get stuffed, bar premiere - thats the only one I care about as live software. costs me around 8 quid a month this year, and about 14 quid a month next year. That I reckon, is what adobe get off me.
"


Are you listening Adobe people?, that post should worry you a lot.

Steve Connor

There's nothing we can't argue about on the FCPX COW Forum


Re: Why you'll buy Adobe CC
by Sandeep Sajeev on May 7, 2013 at 9:56:41 pm

So no AE Next for you? Thought you'd be looking forward to messing with C4D Lite.

I'm in the same boat, but I'm going to shell out monthly for Photoshop, and the minute Pixelmator starts reading Layer Styles and FX, I will stop. Premiere doesn't interest me, and I'm happy with Smoke.


Re: Why you'll buy Adobe CC
by Aindreas Gallagher on May 7, 2013 at 10:09:21 pm

Mmm. I'll live without AECS next - I'm still praying that premiere makes it through the FUBAR. I want that as my next editing system, as in the one that everyone else broadly agrees should be the general use case replacement for FCP. Some mess they've made here tho - the vitriol on some of the sites, hell even their twitter stream... I'm over half an editor at this stage. I actually cut a half hour golf documentary just before christmas like.
That took me by surprise.

Everything else can get stuffed. I just want to get my hands on PPro7. Bar that I'll ride CS 6 out for a couple of years.

http://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics


Re: Why you'll buy Adobe CC
by James Culbertson on May 7, 2013 at 10:02:44 pm

[Aindreas Gallagher] "So the creative cloud can get stuffed, bar premiere - thats the only one I care about as live software."

I agree. Though for me the one tempting CS next app is AE. But really, AE CS6 will be fine for for now. I intend to avoid CC for as long as possible. Perhaps there will be other options that will appear now that a market is opening up.

Anyway, Aindreas, there's still time to switch to FCPX... :-)


Re: Why you'll buy Adobe CC
by Aindreas Gallagher on May 7, 2013 at 10:12:48 pm

[James Culbertson] "Anyway, Aindreas, there's still time to switch to FCPX... :-)"

http://www.hark.com/clips/ffhfvmmfvh-cold-day-in-hell

http://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics


Re: Why you'll buy Adobe CC
by Paul Neumann on May 8, 2013 at 12:16:47 am

So Aindreas what's it gonna cost you to just get PPro for the first year? I bet it's the same as what you'll pay for the whole suite. Are you seriously going to tell me you're going to turn down every product Adobe has to offer for no additional cost? No you're not.


Re: Why you'll buy Adobe CC
by Aindreas Gallagher on May 8, 2013 at 12:48:02 am

I bet it's the same as what you'll pay for the whole suite.

Nope. But put more simply - I'm not going to start executing and building assets in their little renters cottage. that is a hostage to fortune. They can get stuffed.

I own Production Premium CS 6. The two things I care about outside of Premiere are PS and AE.

I'm going to fork over rental cash for premiere pro. first year will cost me 100 quid. about 140 quid a year after that.

Have you actually seen the changes to PS? they introduced some stupid gimmicky magic de-blur thing that I care absolutely nothing about. PS hasn't changed significantly in eons. 64 bit or whatever, but nine out of ten times I'm dealing with a 2000 odd pixel wide plate. It's not taxing.

I'll miss the crazy urge to throw 3D objects around in a AE scene, but I'll get over it. AE CS6 is an extremely mature, powerful product.


Adobe is not getting six hundred quid a year off me for a bin bag of stupid apps that have nothing to do with my livelihood, some crazy colour picker creative community hot air PR bollocks, and yet another company offering me a digital locker the size of a good USB stick. You know the only thing better than adobe's digital locker? A good USB stick.

I'm doing premiere rental for a year anyway and sitting on CS6. I own it. - again - adobe can take a running jump with CC. They can seriously get stuffed.

http://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics


Re: Why you'll buy Adobe CC
by James Culbertson on May 8, 2013 at 4:30:15 am

[Aindreas Gallagher] "I'll miss the crazy urge to throw 3D objects around in a AE scene, but I'll get over it. AE CS6 is an extremely mature, powerful product."

Check out Video Copilot's Element for bringing 3D elements into AE and animating them in 3D space (including Cinema 4D models). And yes you get a perpetual license for Element.


Re: Why you'll buy Adobe CC
by Aindreas Gallagher on May 8, 2013 at 11:57:29 am

yep. I've seen her in action alright.

http://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics


Re: Why you'll buy Adobe CC
by Chris Harlan on May 8, 2013 at 4:40:15 am

[Aindreas Gallagher] "I'm doing premiere rental for a year anyway and sitting on CS6. I own it. - again - adobe can take a running jump with CC. They can seriously get stuffed.
"


Sounds like a decent compromise.


Re: Why you'll buy Adobe CC
by Greg Andonian on May 8, 2013 at 5:04:23 am

[Aindreas Gallagher] I'm going to fork over rental cash for premiere pro. first year will cost me 100 quid. about 140 quid a year after that

Be sure to save everything as an XML when you're done editing it. That way you can open it in your CS6 or FCP7 if you ever need to.

______________________________________________
"Up until here, we still have enough track to stop the locomotive before it plunges into the ravine... But after this windmill it's the future or bust."


Re: Why you'll buy Adobe CC
by Steve Connor on May 8, 2013 at 8:30:14 am

I think if Adobe had actually released CC within a few days of the announcement it may have helped divert attention from the issues. I think it's going to be a long few weeks for Adobe.

Steve Connor

There's nothing we can't argue about on the FCPX COW Forum





© CreativeCOW.net